Game of Thrones 7.5 "Eastwatch" (spoiler alert)

[NewJeffCT]

Daenerys demands loyalty from the surviving Lannister soldiers; Jon heeds Bran's warning about White Walkers on the move; Cersei vows to vanquish anyone or anything that stands in her way.

trailer analysis

[NewJeffCT]

1. A bunch of funny reactions to last week's episode

Some of these are really good...

http://www.boredpanda.com/game-of-thrones-season-7-episode-4-battle-funny-reactions/?utm_source=anad&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=ANAD

[NewJeffCT]

2. some articles from the past week

Arya's new dagger
http://mashable.com/2017/08/12/dagger-rhaegar-targaryen-arya/#gcybxd872OqT

Cogman quits Twitter:
http://www.tvguide.com/news/game-of-thrones-producer-bryan-cogman-quits-twitter/

Catching up:
http://www.newsweek.com/game-thrones-season-7-episode-5-tonight-everything-you-need-know-eastwatch-649946

Review
http://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/8/13/gots7e4review/

[Yavin4]

3. So, I've been binge watching the entire previous 6 seasons (possible clue to how it all will end)

I'm almost finished with season 4. Man, it's really hard watching some characters (Shireen, Hodor) when you know their fate. It's a real tough watch at times.

Also, I found a possible clue on how the entire series will end:

[NewJeffCT]

4. Thanks

we have company right now, so can't watch it.

[Yavin4]

5. Hope you operate under the rules of hospitality

Think rat king.

[Catmusicfan]

6. Can't wait for the episode.

[Solly Mack]

7. So it begins

[Solly Mack]

8. Bronn and Jaime emerge from the water. One mystery solved.

[Baitball Blogger]

11. The witty reparte between Bronn and Jaime makes up for the easy save opening.

[Solly Mack]

12. Yes

[Solly Mack]

9. Bronn is so practical.

[Solly Mack]

10. Tyrion is looking for his brother.

[Baitball Blogger]

13. He is also becoming aware of the power of Daenarys.

Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[Solly Mack]

15. Or..power attracts the corruptible?

[Baitball Blogger]

18. I'm sure he's a bit concerned after seeing the brave but foolish lords get flamed.

I understand why Dany had to do it.

[Solly Mack]

20. I'm not sure I do.

[politicat]

92. If it had been anyone else... I would have some qualms.

But Randyll Tarly? The guy who disowned and tried to kill his son because his son is thoughtful, clever, patient and seriously one of the absolute bravest people in this entire universe? (I don't see Randyll trying to treat greyscale. Or face down White Walkers.) I remember how damaged and abused and brainwashed Samwell was. (Also, I recall how Randyll treated Brienne. And his wife.)

Meh. Tarly Flambé was a satisfying end to a most deserving amateur class asshole. Sam will be an excellent Lord Tarly.

If they wanted to me think Dany was behaving badly -- I don't think she was, in terms of medieval rules of war -- they needed to pick a more sympathetic pair of assholes.

[Solly Mack]

14. A Hobson's Choice is not really a choice.

[Solly Mack]

16. Tarly, Tarly, Tarly. Guess Sam inherits. Or not. Maybe.

Well...Drogon is hungry.

[Solly Mack]

17. Well, that was ugly and won't inspire loyalty.

She's letting the past dictate her actions.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. It was a waste of good men.

But, if you noticed, everyone kneeled after that.

[Solly Mack]

21. Yeah. Fear can bring you to your knees.

[Solly Mack]

22. Drogon knows!!!

[MuseRider]

75. I wondered how the suspicion

would start. Same with Tyrion. I still think he is Danys 1/2 brother, the main reason Tywin hated him. I don't really know anything but damn, I love the books and the show and have spent WAY too much time thinking about all this.

Solly, "Someone's at the door!" I finally got it to play.

[Solly Mack]

78. Excellent! I love that show!!

[Baitball Blogger]

23. Finally! we have a love connection on GOT!

Between Jon Snow and Drogon.

[NewJeffCT]

30. Dany was looking at Jon in a new light as well, though

if you didn't notice

[Baitball Blogger]

35. Um, she seemed to hold Mormont very close to her.

Jon Snow may have shown his first look of interest. Or, maybe he was just puzzled?

[Solly Mack]

24. Yeah, well, children grow up and go their own way.

[Solly Mack]

25. That's right. You killed the family of the man who saved Mormont.

Admittedly, the father was an asshole.

[Baitball Blogger]

27. She doesn't know.

I wonder how Sam will receive her? Well, he is a monk afterall.

[Solly Mack]

29. Sam has the ability of accepting what is.

[Catmusicfan]

26. Okay, I am wrong. Jamie survived. But interesting

Lancaster army reminded me of Roman tactics from history.


Dragon smelled something in Jon. Same thing when Tyrion freed the other 2 in season 6.

[Baitball Blogger]

31. Danerys is hiding her thoughts.

She saw that Drogon noticed something, but she is keeping her cards close to her chest.

[Catmusicfan]

34. It surprised her too.

[Solly Mack]

28. Look at all those dead people. Someone call Rick, Michonne, and Carol NOW!

[Baitball Blogger]

33. LOL!

[Solly Mack]

32. Listen to Sam you blowhards. He's right.

[NewJeffCT]

41. I think the dude

that he's been dealing with believes him, but he knows his fellow Maesters and is putting up a different face to them.

[Solly Mack]

43. Yeah. Slughorn is a good guy.

[Solly Mack]

36. Varys doesn't approve. Tyrion is trying to convince himself.

[Solly Mack]

37. Of course he read it.

[Solly Mack]

38. I'm sick of people who refuse to believe what the real threat is.

[Yavin4]

111. The "Inconvenient Truth" of Westeros n/t

[Solly Mack]

113. That's really a good one.

[Solly Mack]

39. No! Jon does not go to King's Landing! No! No! No!

[Solly Mack]

40. No, Jon. No. :(

[Baitball Blogger]

46. Okay, I see it now. Daenarys did not want him to go.

[Solly Mack]

48. Drogon trust him. She trust him. Hard to let that go.

[Solly Mack]

42. Oh, fuck the North men if they are going to be such idiots.

[Solly Mack]

44. You tell her, Arya!

But do try and cool your temper.

[Baitball Blogger]

45. Arya just gave me a chill.

Jon needs to hurry back and give her some productive targets.

[Solly Mack]

47. Oh, my. Bronn, you sly dog.

[Baitball Blogger]

56. Looks like Cersei wants Jaime to punish him for it.

Interesting. Jaime won't do it. But this is the first real wedge between him and Cersei.

[Solly Mack]

60. Yeah, but she's bonkers.

[Solly Mack]

49. Gendry!!!!!

[Solly Mack]

50. Take him back with you.

[Solly Mack]

51. The Baratheons live!

[Solly Mack]

52. Now Arya and Gendry can be together.

And the Stark/Baratheon match will finally happen.

[Solly Mack]

53. Ut oh. Gendry will kill them.

[Baitball Blogger]

59. I have never seen a weapon like that.

Perfectly balanced for crushing heads.

[Solly Mack]

61. He is like his father. Chooses the heavy weapon.

[Baitball Blogger]

54. Gendry is another heir to the throne.

But, at least we have a sword welder.

[Solly Mack]

55. Jaime needs to kill her now.

[Baitball Blogger]

62. Yeah, I wasn't comfortable with their embrace.

Cersei is a snake.

[Solly Mack]

57. Yuck. She's pregnant again.

[Baitball Blogger]

64. I missed that!

She is a fool if she is going to publicly declarre Jaime as the father.

She is not fit to reign.

[Solly Mack]

67. She isn't. She's horrible.

[politicat]

94. She says she is. But she knows how to manipulate him like nobody else.

I wouldn't put it past her to lie. Run, Jaime.

[Solly Mack]

100. That's true. She could be lying. Or lying about who the father is.

[Solly Mack]

58. Yes! He's going to Winterfell!!!

[Baitball Blogger]

66. With a good crew.

[Solly Mack]

69. Yes. He'll go to the wall & beyond and probably so will Arya.

[Solly Mack]

63. Sam needs to go to Jon or Daenerys.

I don't like him tucked away even if he is going to help the war effort.

[Baitball Blogger]

70. He is leaving without the books or information?

I would have stayed and snuck into the chamber of secrets.

[Solly Mack]

73. He missed the important info Gilly was telling him.

[Baitball Blogger]

82. Does Rhaeger Targaryn have a higher claim to the throne than a Baratheon?

Snow vs. Gendry?

[Solly Mack]

84. Yes. Rhaegar was the last Targaryen King. His heirs have the claim over those of his siblings.

Gendry has no claim unless someone makes him not a bastard.

Then, he has a claim - but probably no backers.

Cersei has no rightful claim at all.

[Baitball Blogger]

85. Gendry is coming across to me like a hand.

[Solly Mack]

87. Shame they didn't stop at Winterfell so Jon could see Arya.

And Gendry could see Arya. There has to be a plotline reason for this.

And I fear not a good one.

Gendry has Targaryen blood as well.

Just to add to the mix.

[Baitball Blogger]

88. Is that why he feels so comfortable with fire?

Who was Gendry's mother?

[Solly Mack]

90. I think she was a working woman. But his paternal great-grandmother was a Princess Targaryen.

Rhaegar and Robert were 2nd cousins. Robert's father was the son of Rhaelle Targaryen.

Gendry is Daenerys' third cousin.

Jon is Robert Baratheon's 3rd cousin as well.

Also, Jon and Gendry are cousins.

[shanny]

95. Rhaegar was heir, not king

and died before his father was defeated. Aerys' heirs would be his children first, and then grandchildren, if any.

Hmm, if Tyrion is his son, instead of Tywin's, his claim is better than Dany's...otoh only half Targaryen.

[Solly Mack]

101. That's right, he did. Trident before KL. Silly me. Brain fart and Jon Snow fan combo.

But, also, in the Targaryen line, the women were way down the list to inherit the throne, after uncles and even cousins.

I think the laws of legitimacy still apply though. So Tyrion, not so much.

But Rhaegar and Lyanna were married, so Jon, definitely legitimate.

[Solly Mack]

65. lol steps...that number was the steps. lolol

Sam better stop being cross with her.

[NewJeffCT]

68. Damn you Sam - listen to Gilly

she just found the mention of Annulment of the marriage of Rhaeger to Elia Martell of Dorne

[Solly Mack]

71. I know, right!!

[Baitball Blogger]

72. thank you for making that connection.

[Liberal Veteran]

89. That was a nice little revelation tossed in for those who put the pieces together.

Rhaegar seemed to have something else in mind than polygamy.

[Baitball Blogger]

104. Sam's wife holds the answer, that I'm sure will clear up the right to the throne.

Which only matters when we see who survives.

[Baitball Blogger]

74. Little Finger is so dead.

Arya will not put up with a betrayer.

[NewJeffCT]

77. I think he's got a trick or two up his sleeve still

he's been too crafty for 6 seasons to be reduced to a creepy stalker like he has been this year

[Baitball Blogger]

83. This is so weird. How could someone like Little Finger outsmart Arya's training as a

super mysterious assassin. She was taught to observe.

What did the note say, anyway?

[NewJeffCT]

116. Littlefinger has been playing the Game of Thrones

for his whole life - 40 years or so. To start off as one of the least powerful lords in one of the least powerful houses to become one of the great Lords of Westeros (he essentially is Lord of the Vale now) is no small feat.

Arya has been trained in killing and being quick and stealthy and has only been training 3-4 years. Political deception is a bit different than being deceptively quick and deadly.

[hibbing]

98. I hope so

He is such a smarmy little sleazeball.

Peace

[Solly Mack]

76. I hope Arya is smart enough to know it's Littlefinger and not Sansa.

And she should never ever trust Littlefinger - he is setting Arya up.

[NewJeffCT]

80. What did the letter say?

I couldn't tell?

[Solly Mack]

81. Something about someone dying but not from their wounds...then signed Sansa.

It's an old letter...I seem to recall hearing about it before...but it was about someone else.

I'll watch again and pause to read it later.

[politicat]

96. It's the letter Cersei made S2 Sansa write to Robb after Ned's beheading.

Littlefinger was there when she wrote it, and Robb knew it was coerced the moment he read it, but Arya wasn't there so doesn't know the context. The letter reflects badly on Sansa if you don't know that context, so I assume this is Littlefinger trying to pot stir to isolate Sansa.

Again, I repeat: the Stark children suck at communication. Will someone please invent pizza night so they can be in a room with the doors closed and just talk? Also, therapists.

[Baitball Blogger]

114. Oh, that letter!

No Prob. Ask Bran.

[ImpeachTheGOP]

97. It says.....

King Robert is dead, killed from wounds he took in a boar hunt. Father (did something out of the frame) Joffrey and tried to steal his throne. The Lannisters want you to come to King's Landing and swear fealty to King Joffrey and (presumably) the Iron Throne.

Your faithful sister,

Sansa


This was the letter they made Sansa write to Robb. What Littlefinger is up to here is probably sowing discord between Arya and Sansa. It might work.

[Solly Mack]

79. Dammit! Arya!! You dumbass!! Littlefinger is setting you up!!

[Catmusicfan]

86. Damn! I thought some of these would be longer!

[Blaukraut]

91. No spoiler. Just speculation/wishful thinking

What if Hodor turned into a White Walker and ends up being the one ne they catch to present as proof to Cersei? That would be horribly awesome.

[Not Ruth]

93. I thought that Eastwatch was going to be a battle episode

Nope, furthered the plot, with much silly.

[NewJeffCT]

115. There really wasn't much happening in Eastwatch (the location)

the big events were in King's Landing, Old Town, Winterfell and Dragonstone.

[politicat]

99. Costuming critique... Dragonstone should be balmy for Northerners and deep freeze for

All of the ones who have been in a desert/tropics for years. Jon and Davos should be stripped down to Ts and cargos and flip-flops, basking in the sun, while the rest should be bundled and chattering, and the ones now at the Wall from the South should be miserable. (Oh, and more HATS. Out in a snow storm without a hat?!?)

Bran, too, should be taking in the relative warmth, and Arya should be semi-miserable since Braavos is somewhat warmer year round.

[NewJeffCT]

106. Winter is here

so, Dragonstone is probably colder than normal. Plus, I think because of it's location, it's never really very warm there

[NewJeffCT]

102. The Tarly family has a Valyrian Steel sword

in their house. Did that get melted down with Dickon or Randall?

[NewJeffCT]

105. never mind

somebody on Twitter reminded me that Sam "borrowed" the family heirloom last season.

[EarlG]

103. Zombie Cleganebowl anyone?

Could the Hound end up becoming the wight that the crew will take down to King's Landing, only for Cersei to "test" him by having him fight zombie Mountain?

[NewJeffCT]

107. I don't know

I'm pretty sure that most of the 7 that left Eastwatch will not be returning.

We have
Jon Snow
Jorah Mormont
The Hound
Tormund Giantsbane
Thoros of Myr
Beric Dondarrion
Gendry

Thoros and Beric are likely goners. Ser Jorah, Gendry, Tormund and The Hound are all 50/50, I think.

My guess it will be Jon and one other that return? Will we got Zombie Sandor? That might be too big for Jon to control, I think?

[Baitball Blogger]

108. shudder

Never thought of that plot twist.

I think these will survive:

Jon - I don't think Jon can be killed by them. Fire and ice. Just a hunch.
Mormont - Don't know why, but I suspect that Jon may realize he likes Dany when he gets envious of Mormont's close relationship to Dany.)
The Hound (He and Arya still need some kind of closer. Frankly, he was a father figure for her for a while.)
Tormund - Ahhh, give Tormund a chance. He and Brienne need at least one night together.
Gendry - He is going to be Jon's Hand. Also, if he has Targaryn blood in him, it's possible that he may also be immune to the White Walker touch. -- Just my theory.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

109. This season is shaking out WAY different than I could have imagined

I thought that this season ends with Dany taking KL and Cersei deposed/dead. Now, I'm not so sure. Also, not sure exactly how Jon and co. are literally going to a.)Capture a Wight (or Whitewalker?) and b.)Get it down to KL. More importantly, how in the hell are they going to trust Cersei with a meeting that doesn't end with them dead or imprisoned?

[NewJeffCT]

110. I thought maybe she would be dead as well

I had also heard that one of the dragons would be killed by the wights or white walkers and be raised as a zombie dragon, but it doesn't seem like enough time for that to happen in only 2 more episodes?

Frankly, I wish they would at least give a shout out to the passage of time - Jon going from Winterfell to Dragonstone and then to Eastwatch is something that might take weeks, if not months. It's a long overland journey from Winterfell to a port where they can then sail to Dragonstone.

They mentioned Winter had arrived at the end of last season - maybe have Sam in Oldtown say "We've been here for a year since Winter started looking through these books..."

[Proud Liberal Dem]

112. With the shortage of episodes remaining

they have to compress time to move the characters around to where they need to go. They just have to. I get that some of it doesn't make a lot of sense but OTOH it's sort of better than some of the earlier seasons where characters spent an interminable amount of time traveling from one place to another and made the show extremely dull/boring. Season 5 was the best example of this.

[NewJeffCT]

117. Interesting theory on how Cersei may die

sounds pretty logical to me?

https://www.purewow.com/news/cersei-game-of-thrones-death-theory