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Great looking Sexy World leader. From my great county called Canada (Original Post) Watalapan Feb 2017 OP
Environmentalist? guillaumeb Feb 2017 #1
Just to remind you Watalapan Feb 2017 #3
Any elected leader in Canada who takes office True Dough Feb 2017 #4
Unrealistic would be to continue to mine tar sands with the knowledge guillaumeb Feb 2017 #5
Do you live in Alberta? True Dough Feb 2017 #6
I am from New Brunswick. I have family in Quebec also. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #8
I'm not arguing that the tar sands are to our benefit True Dough Feb 2017 #9
I agree with your asessment. guillaumeb Feb 2017 #10
Sadly, the most prominent story True Dough Feb 2017 #11
What are you saying? Laf.La.Dem. Feb 2017 #2
Oh, sure, rub it in. Laffy Kat Feb 2017 #7
lol, I was just talking to a friend in Montreal OriginalGeek Feb 2017 #12
What about Justin bieber for Watalapan Feb 2017 #13
what? we get beebz and you get Obama? OriginalGeek Feb 2017 #14

True Dough

(17,296 posts)
4. Any elected leader in Canada who takes office
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 05:00 PM
Feb 2017

and declares an end to any new oil and gas, pipeline and mining development would be committing economic suicide. What matters is the general direction in which Trudeau is taking the country. The book has yet to be written on that, but to expect him to reject all new projects or expansion of existing ones is unrealistic.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. Unrealistic would be to continue to mine tar sands with the knowledge
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 05:03 PM
Feb 2017

of how destructive the mining and the use of such tar sands is.

The destruction in Alberta is bad enough, but shipping and refining and using such material is worse.

True Dough

(17,296 posts)
6. Do you live in Alberta?
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 05:17 PM
Feb 2017

It's a province that lived too high off the hog for decades with its oil wealth. Its inhabitants finally broke the spell of Conservative rule since forever with the election of the NDP's Rachel Notley in 2015.

Notley proceeded to introduce a carbon plan. She has been publicly setting negotiations terms with Trudeau on a national carbon plan, which sets carbon prices at $50 a tonne by 2022. It's viewed by most Albertans as being unacceptable. So Notley said in order to come to the table, Trudeau will have to make some concessions on pipelines as a compromise. That's what's happening.

So you have to walk before you run.

The way you are proposing to shut down the oil sands would result in a rebellion. It would put the Conservatives right back in power and then all bets are off. Just like Trump running roughshod, the Conservatives would reverse any gains and push development back into overdrive. That would be counterproductive.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
8. I am from New Brunswick. I have family in Quebec also.
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 05:32 PM
Feb 2017

Continuing to mine the tar sands is an environmental disaster for Canada and the world.

True Dough

(17,296 posts)
9. I'm not arguing that the tar sands are to our benefit
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 05:41 PM
Feb 2017

But the political reality is that if it's not gradually slowed to a trickle while finding replacement industries, preferably renewable energy, then whoever tries to drive an immediate stake through the heart of tar sands country (Alberta) is a dead duck (just like the dead ducks that actually showed up in the tar sands).

It's unfortunate but it's reality. Look at what happened to Hillary in coal country. She promised that alternative jobs would be found, but she didn't get the vote. Same thing would happen to Notley if she opposed the oil sands. And you have to remember that many people in the West often evoke Pierre Trudeau's national energy policy and accuse Justin of having the same agenda. He is eyed very suspiciously on the prairies.

It will take some really crafty political strategy to wind down the tar sands. Barring the door would result in the collapse of whatever leader/party pushed it, without a doubt.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. I agree with your asessment.
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 05:53 PM
Feb 2017

In NB and Quebec, hydro power supplies 90% of the energy used. Hydro is the result of Jean Lesage and Pierre Trudeau pushing for local development over big oil.

True Dough

(17,296 posts)
11. Sadly, the most prominent story
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 06:11 PM
Feb 2017

in Canadian hydro is bills in Ontario skyrocketing for the past year or two. The Wynne government has a real nightmare on its hands and it's a shame that hydro's reputation gets caught in the crossfire.

OriginalGeek

(12,132 posts)
12. lol, I was just talking to a friend in Montreal
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 06:24 PM
Feb 2017

I asked if we could keep him. He makes our guy look dumb. er.

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