The Walking Dead 3.11 - I Ain't A Judas (Spoiler Alert)

[NewJeffCT]

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It's about 2 hours away, but I'll be watching this instead of the Oscars tonight.

I wonder who is going to rally the gang at the prison after the brutal assault by the Governor? How will Merle's return be handled by Glenn, Michonne, etc? What will Andrea do?

Should be interesting.

[Baitball Blogger]

1. I hope Michone does something to convert people.

I'm fine with her, but, perhaps it is lazy writing that they're not giving her a good speaking role.

[NewJeffCT]

7. I think it is lazy writing

she's not a big talker in the comics, either, but she did at least say something - and, you knew more about her background earlier in the comics as well. Did she even say (on the show) where the two chained walkers came from? Or, why she's such a badass with the katana?

[Baitball Blogger]

8. Nope.

The craze doctor from the town guessed it. But it's still a mystery.

[NewJeffCT]

9. My guess on Michonne

is that the producers of the show knew she was one of the most popular characters in the comics, so were anxious to get her on the show - hence, her appearance on the show before Tyreese, when Tyreese appeared before Michonne or the Governor in the comics. However, once they got her on the show, they're not quite sure what to do with her.

If you want spoilers - in the comics [font color=white]one of the walkers was Michonne's boyfriend, and the other was (if I recall), her boyfriend's roommate.[/font]

And, she was good with the sword because [font color=white] because she was a college athlete who was an avid fencer, if I recall. Not that the katana and fencing are the same, but I think she explained it in the comics.[font]

I don't think she was a big talker, but at least people knew a bit about her there.

[Baitball Blogger]

10. Thanks. If the writers sacrifice Michone I will be very unhappy.

[NewJeffCT]

11. It would be a huge change from the comics

last one I read was somewhere around issue 100 and she was still alive. The prison storyline ended with issue 48, I think.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

2. pffft.... Oscars.

Given the amount of chaos that the group is in, there is a possibility that there could be a lot of dialog, and not too much action. Hope thats not the case though. The group needs Merle so I suspect there will be truce triangulated by Hershel, and Andrea will be confoundingly annoying.

[krispos42]

3. Merle is the "stage boot".

He fits on either foot.


He's too valuable to either side to kill outright, so they plan to use him up, and if he dies in the process... to damn bad.

But despite being an abrasive asshole, he has good instincts with people and knows when to change sides, and with what information that will keep him from being killed.

Eventually, he'll either get killed or escape the area and sink his venom in with a new group.

[Flaxbee]

4. you willing to do a post-episode recap?

hopefully will get out of the office by 9 or so, but no guarantee...

[NewJeffCT]

5. I'll try, but with my wife watching the Oscars

most likely, I'll roll into watching Talking Dead and have limited access to a computer while it's on.

[Incitatus]

6. check this out

http://www.couchtuner.eu/the-walking-dead/

I'm not sure how fast it updates new episodes.

[Baitball Blogger]

12. Twitter Updates here:

Inside the prison, trying to decide whether to leave the prison or stay.

Sounds like they're going to stay. Merle is trying to prepare them, telling them that the Governor has ammunition to come and starve them to death.

[Baitball Blogger]

13. Rick's leadership is being challenged by Herschel.

He told him to get his head clear and do something.

[Baitball Blogger]

14. Rick is in lookout position, looking around.

He thinks he sees something. His son comes up and tells him he should stop being the leader. He wants Herschel and Daryl to handle things. He says his dad deserves to rest.

[Baitball Blogger]

15. Same old boring commercials. Switching to the Oscars.

[Baitball Blogger]

17. Switch to the Town.

Governor and Mensche looking Mengele is talking about the people like they're inventory. Counts the kids as adults.

Andrea walks in. Not happy about the gunning down of her friends at the prison. Wants to go and see them. Governor doesn't want her to go. "You go to that prison, stay there."

Andrea walks around. Realizes that Governor's men is training everyone to be an army.

[Baitball Blogger]

18. Back to the prison. They're debating about Merle's loyalty.

Herschel and Merle are have a tet-a-tet. Both are talking about their lost limbs. Herschel shows him a bible and talks about losing his way. He is quoting the bible, and Merle and finished the psalm.

He is now trying to convince Herschel of the danger they're in with the governor. Good lines.

[Baitball Blogger]

19. Back to Woodbury.

Governor is pushing to use every body as a soldier.

Switch to the prison. Carole and Daryl are talking to each other. They're in a cell together. She tells him that Merle is his brother, but he's not good for him. Afterall, look how far he's come. They have a laugh.

[Baitball Blogger]

20. Andrea is trying to get Mengele to help her escape from Woodbury.

Have to stop twittering. Hubby has commandeered the remote.

[NewJeffCT]

72. He's not that Mengele-ish, is he?

I get the impression that he's only taken volunteers to study in his lab - like the old guy dying of cancer.

Maybe he'll do something more serious if the Governor captures somebody from the prison?

[Brigid]

16. Merle is exactly right about the Governor.

But I don't know how they're going to get out of that prison.

[NewJeffCT]

46. They need to clear the prison

like they did before, and then hopefully fix the walls that they do have.

[Brigid]

21. Herschel is trying to talk to Daryl.

Trying to sound him out, I think. Talking about the Bible, of all things.

[Lex]

44. That was Merle he was talking Bible to, not Daryl.

[texanwitch]

22. I wonder how the guys got back into inside.

Even with zombies there is still a roll of ducktape in the prison.

[NewJeffCT]

23. The Governor is drafting everybody 13 & up

into his Woodbury army.

[texanwitch]

24. Not much of a army.

The gov is just trying to kill off people in the town.

[krispos42]

26. If I wanted to assault the prison...

...I would put snipers in the woods on the prison perimeter, and run a couple of decoy trucks through the fencing. Just a driver.

When the defenders responded, have the snipers in the woods try to pick them off, or at least keep them pinned down while I attacked from a different direction.

Breech the prison walls, and get them in a vice. Walkers and snipers on one side, the prison with armed teams working through it on the other side.

[texanwitch]

27. The Gov doesn't care about his new army, he will put them up front.

He will keep his real army safe.

[Brigid]

25. Like the Michonne workout.

Merle, you should know better than to mess with her.

[texanwitch]

28. O no.

The group Rick kicked out are now at the town.

The gov found out they were in the prison.

Andrea knows Rick killed Shane, Carol told her.

Carol asked Andrea to kill the Gov and end it.

Andrea is now going back to the town in a car Rick gave her.

[Brigid]

29. I had forgotten how long Andrea had been gone.

She didn't even know Shane was dead. I wonder if she will do what Carole asked her to do.

[Baitball Blogger]

30. Zombie decoys!

One major problem. They have to cut the arms off up to the armpit. Otherwise the zombie has a stump he can still draw blood with.

[Apophis]

31. I hope something awesome happens within the next few minutes.

This has been one boring episode.

[texanwitch]

32. I don't know how Andrea can touch the Gov.

I wish Carol had kept her mouth shut about Shane.

Rick seems to be back a little.

Andrea is holding a knife over the Gov, but just can't bring herself to kill him.

The Gov was sleeping.

[NewJeffCT]

33. I kept thinking

"stab him!"

[texanwitch]

35. She can slice and dice zombies but not one little stab into the Gov.

Andrea is a mess.

[NewJeffCT]

55. Not only does she slice & dice zombies

she killed her sister in season 1.

[Brigid]

36. Me too.

She needs to do it.

[WilliamPitt]

34. TOM WAITS

So good.

[MiddleFingerMom]

37. The inmate thought Carol was a lesbian because of her ultra-short hair and...

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.
.
... it seemed to take her by surprise (she was bemused). She's now
growing her hair out and was giggly-flirty with him 'til he was shot.
Now she seems headed RIGHT back to her guarded relationship with
Daryl.
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What is it about the zombie apocalypse that turned Lori and Andrea
(and Carol, in a repressed way) so hypersexual?
.
.
.

[Baitball Blogger]

38. Seriously, I think the writers for the comic books and the show

are really selling out the women. They need a woman writer to help out the current writer. Just my opinion.

[NewJeffCT]

40. They've had women direct some of the episodes

if I'm not mistaken

[LonePirate]

39. Carol gave Andrea some great advice. Too bad she didn't take it.

[Solly Mack]

41. I dislike Andrea.

A lot. Every bit as much as I disliked Lori. Maybe more.

[Incitatus]

42. I don't get Lori's reaction to Shane's death

It was clear she wanted to be with Rick and she gave him a very emphatic warning about what he might try to do

[Solly Mack]

45. Was a wee bit hypocritical of her.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

43. Glad they got that episode out of the way,

It had to be done, predictable tropes and all.

Ben and Allen are all in, but I don't think that Tyreese and Sascha will side with the Governor for long though.

[Baitball Blogger]

49. What do you think they will see that will turn them around?

[NewJeffCT]

56. well, Michonne was able to figure out the Governor pretty quickly

Maybe Tyreese and/or Sascha will as well? Maybe the Governor torturing/killing somebody from the prison would change Tyreese? I think Tyreese did say they seemed like a good lot, except for the crazy Rick.

[Joe Shlabotnik]

66. Its just a hunch,

(*I haven't read the graphic novels, or seen any credible spoilers). But the Governor and Milton could barely conceal their sliminess at the mention of the prison. And at the same time, there is a possibility that the Gov will be wary of them as infiltrators from Rick's group. He might try to off them after extracting whatever info he can get.

Add to that that Ricks group, (with the exception of Rick) saved their asses, and was quite good to them, and Tyreese and Sascha may have a problem with killing kids, babies and crippled old men.

Ultimately, I think with the last episode of the season titled "Welcome to the tombs", that Rick's group will be forced to escape through there, and be bailed out by Tyreese, leaving the pursuing Governor trapped in the there.

[Baitball Blogger]

67. "In there?"

You mean they will draw the Governor's men into the cell block that has a breach and will lock him in with the zombies?

[Joe Shlabotnik]

68. yep

I don't think we'll know if the Governor dies or not at the end of the season.

[Baitball Blogger]

69. That sounds pretty cool.

[texanwitch]

70. Sounds good to me.

Rick's group is smart, they will make it.

[walkerbait41]

47. Rick and Michone

I would like to see Rick and Michone hook up and drop the Lori story line

[NewJeffCT]

71. I think it's a bit too soon for Rick to hook up with anybody

since he's still seeing the ghost of Lori

[Baitball Blogger]

48. I loved that song, "Hold on," that they sang at the end of the episode.

Anyone know anything about it.

[NewJeffCT]

51. Tom Waits

[Baitball Blogger]

54. Very cool!

Thanks.

[Baclava]

50. hooray! Michonne had an actual speaking part

it was a good one too: "I didn't know the messiah complex was contagious"

they better not kill Beth, she's too cute to die

[NewJeffCT]

52. and, she had a line with Merle as well

when Merle said he was just following orders, and she came back with, "yeah, just like the Gestapo."

[MiddleFingerMom]

53. Merle's answer was better... he hadn't a clue that there was anything wrong with that.

[texanwitch]

57. Merle is just a thug.

Any group of people will do.

This time he picked the wrong group with the Gov.

I think Merle is afraid this time.

I am glad he is with the group, because Merle is fighting for his life.

[Baitball Blogger]

58. Interesting that he picked up a bible at the Woodbury library.

[texanwitch]

59. He did seem to know that verse in the bible.

It will be interesting to see how the Gov.'s new army stands up to Rick's group.

I don't think the new army will last long.

I think the Gov will but them in the front to get killed off.

He is getting tired of the town, and its people.

It would be nice for Rick's group to get the town.

[Baitball Blogger]

60. I don't know. I saw the replay and it sounds like they agreed to move on,

and the sneak preview showed them doing just that.

[texanwitch]

61. I hope so.

The group needs a quiet place to land for awhile.

The baby will need food.

I don't want to see a big fire fight.

The prison was ok for awhile but not with the Gov near by.

I haven't read the comic books that far in advance so I don't know where they would go.

[Spike89]

73. I thought the opposite

Rick is going on a run to restock supplies and ammo and taking Michone and Carl--the group is staying in the prison to fight.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

62. I coulda sworn

when the Governor was in his room and lit a match it was his left eye that was gouged out. Later the patch was over his right. Or am I my own personal version of 'thinking dead'? :O)

[Baitball Blogger]

63. This was discussed in talking dead. He was looking in a mirror so the reflection

would be the opposite.

[NewJeffCT]

65. I initially thought it was a mistake as well

until I realized it was a mirror.

Why did he hold the match up there? Fire to cauterize the wound?

[Lex]

64. He was looking in the mirror at the time

in that scene, or so I remember.

[Spike89]

74. Some instances of bad writing this episode

Little things like not really giving Andrea the entire story (Maggie and Glenn treatment in Woodbury not mentioned?) and the whole "If you go to the prison, don't come back" then secretly help her go, then sleep with her when she returns saga was just dumb.

What really bugged me though is the hyping of the war...running low on food is one thing, but ammo? It is a friggin' ZA and you don't wait for a looming war to go scavenge for bullets--you get all that there are at every opportunity. The biggest hit on this front was Hershel saying it may be too late to escape the prison because the Woodbury army could have all the roads and escape routes covered.

Holy crap! The entire Woodbury "army" was just inventoried in that very episode and it tops out at 3 dozen folks including old women and wheezy boys! Because you must be in groups to be somewhat safe among the zombies in the "red zone" and you need at least some people manning the walls back at Woodbury--the best they might be able to do is place 4 or 5 sentry points--no where near enough to box in a prison. Worse, each of those Woodbury groups would be outnumbered by the 8 people in the Grimes group.

The governor can't put the prison under a long term seige--he doesn't have the manpower (Merle, and Michone at least know this), his own supply lines would be more strained than the prison people, and no one in Woodbury presumably has a real idea of how much food is stockpiled in the prison.

I know they need to force the action along, but this was terribly weak writing.

[NewJeffCT]

75. Some good points

I think the overall show has been very good, but some of the writing & dialogue has been weak at times. I agree on that. And, the Woodbury army is The Governor, maybe 5-7 other competent "soldiers" and a bunch of people that will likely run away as soon as soon as shots starting ringing out, or somebody on their side takes a bullet.

Some counter-points - Rick's group spent a lot of ammo in their two raids on Woodbury, and have not really had a chance to restock on supplies. The one supply run they did have was Glenn & Maggie getting interrupted by Merle.

The five prisoners had enough food for several months, if I recall. However, if you added in 6-7-8 more from Rick's group, the food goes a lot quicker. We're not sure of the exact number of days/weeks that have passed since they took over the prison? Remember, Lori was eating for two for a while there, too, and T-Dogg was there for a while as well.

Andrea was there at the prison for a few hours, I would think. They could have told her about Glenn & Maggie at Woodbury "off screen" - she was convinced enough to side with Rick's group and at least think of stabbing the Governor in his sleep.

They also don't need a whole army to put the prison under siege. A few guys in trees on each side of the prison, and then a few more in a truck to get the guys in trees and you'v effectively boxed them in - Rick is not the type that's going to sacrifice Beth, Carl, Hershel, and Little Ass-Kicker in an all-out attempt to escape. Sure, they could outnumber the men surrounding the prison, but they guys outside will be hidden and have cover, while Ricks' group would be easy picking for them as they tried to escape.