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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:15 AM

1. Yes. When I get them, I get them in pots

and plant them later.

I'm that way about my flowers too. I like them on the plant, not dead in a vase.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:44 AM

2. Yes.

I was channel surfing last night and caught a few minutes of the Christmas tree lighting on Rockefeller Plaza. Al Roker was talking about texting some number to some group in order to donate $10 so a tree can be planted somewhere. I thought, why? So it can be cut down and put on display next to an ice rink later on?

Kind of ironic.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:49 AM

3. No.

It's agriculture. It is a renewable resource. As ag goes, it's far from the worst in terms of inputs and environmental effects.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:53 AM

4. No. They are grown as an agricultural crop just for that purpose.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:07 AM

5. !!!

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #4)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:55 AM

11. True, but...

...not sure the tree appreciates it. The husband doesn't get the whole fake tree thing, so we get real ones. We all thank the tree before it's put up and then again when it is taken down. He thought it was silly at first. Now, he gets all emotional just like his wifey.

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Response to Wait Wut (Reply #11)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:11 AM

14. You could do what I did as a teen.

 

I bought an evergreen tree (not a sapling, but a few years old...about 3' tall) for a species that never gets taller than 8', potted it. Trim, shape, fertilize, water maintain it (Bonzai!) the rest of the year...drag it in to the house for the holidays. Lights, decoration, **no tinsel**. Drag it out next to the pool for the rest of the year. (N.B. With a sufficient pot and soil, we're talking 200+ lbs. You'll need a hand-truck or dolly.)

Much easier than dealing with shedding, tree-stands, disposal, fire-risks, economical and I always had a beautiful tree. As soon as I went to college, my parents got rid of it as too much work to maintain...really because my mom feels that a library with 20' ceilings requires a 14' tree which would be too much work to maintain and impossible to pot.

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Response to Chan790 (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 10:27 AM

74. I like that idea!

Not only that, but I could lock it in the spare bedroom at nite to prevent kitty attacks!

Thanks, will talk to the husband about this tonite!

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:09 AM

6. Nope. Most of them are grown as a renewable resource. Up where I live, you can cut your own in a

national forest to help manage the forest. My family cuts our own on our own property, and we always pick a tree that is crowding another stronger tree.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:41 AM

7. Yes

I know it's an agricultural crop but I still feel bad, that's why I have an all white plastic tree and it's beautiful.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:52 AM

8. I get almost

physically ill when I see trees get cut down.

Doing it for Christmas is just horrendous, IMO.

The only Christmas tree I ever had in my present home was a fake one. Haven't had any kind for over 10 years now.

And cut flowers...no. Plants only.

This year Mr Pipi bought me a red maple for Mother's Day.

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Response to pipi_k (Reply #8)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:11 AM

13. +1

 

I feel the same way.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:06 AM

9. Hell Yes...When I cut and kill a tree, I do so out of sadistic glee.

 

Decorative purposes are beside the point.

(ok...ok... )

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:47 AM

10. As a horticulturist

I have no problems with cutting down trees IF they are improperly sited (too close to a building) or dangerous (heartrot or other diseases), or non-native and invasive. I've helped cut down perfectly healthy 40 foot Norway maples, as they are non-native and invasive, and it doesn't bother me a bit. Trees are a renewable resource. Christmas trees are grown for the purpose, like any other agricultural crop.

I do step in, however, when people want to do something stupid. A friend/client asked me if I could find someone who could cut down the 4 strong, healthy 150 year old Bur oaks around her house. I asked her why. She said that she was told that any tree over 75 years old was past it's life expectancy, and could come down at any moment. Fortunately, I was able to take her out to the local state park and show her some healthy 350+ year old Bur oaks.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:01 AM

12. Most " agricultural crop " we eat.

 

Xmas trees are grown and killed solely for decorative purposes. Could we do without real trees? Sure we could, but we're so "advanced" in our culture that its perfectly fine to grow and kill trees for amusement.

Trees have life too.

But then again, us humanity reigns supreme, no other species matter except us

What a wonderful world ..

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 01:58 PM

22. Most corn and soybeans in this country isn't produced for human consumption. n/t

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #22)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:49 PM

29. Yes, but theyre not used for " decoration and fragrance " either. nt

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:56 PM

31. That's true. n/t

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:23 PM

34. All plants have life.

Have you taken a look at the environmental damage done in the process of making, and disposing of, crappy plastic or metal trees?

At least real christmas trees can be used in many ways after the season is over...they can be chipped and used as mulch, the can be sunk in lakes to use as an artificial reef that shelters small fish/invertebrates, their branches can be cut off and used to cover flower beds....etc.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:24 PM

36. Most xmas trees end up in copped up in dumpsters.

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #36)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:39 PM

40. Actually, the majority of them are recycled in some way.

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #34)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:26 PM

62. I don't know if they still do it, but

the Corps of Engineers encouraged people in my hometown to bring their old Christmas trees (without tinsel) to the local lake to provide fish habitat.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #12)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 09:24 PM

66. Does that also include

trees grown in National Forests that are then used to build housing? That is a HUUUUGE ag crop we don't eat.

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #66)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:04 PM

67. Housing isn't solely for decoration. n/t

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Response to kurtzapril4 (Reply #10)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:44 PM

41. you can bring a horticulture

 

but you can't make her like ballet.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:18 AM

15. I understand your concern for the trees, since I'm a bit of a fanatic with trees, too.

I have even been known to leave dead trees around the property to give the woodpeckers something to work with.

But Christmas trees, yes, we select live ones but we go to a place where we know they're commercially grown. We get them over Thanksgiving and allow my daughter to select them. And then it's my job to keep it "alive" until Christmas. I spritz it with water and even talk to it and thank it for its sacrifice.

Yeah, I know. Weird.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #15)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:21 AM

16. I just dont think we should grow and kill life just for amusement

 

I know I'm in minority, but that's how I feel.

I guess if I was a bit more religious I would think differently, who knows.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #16)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:34 PM

38. I fully respect your position.

It's because of the ornaments that it all makes sense to me. The tree becomes a vessel for all my family's best moments, since each ornament has meaning.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 01:05 PM

17. I'm not much of a fan of it either.

Though I don't really decorate for Xmas anyway. I think if I did I'd go with a dwarf tree that can just be hauled inside to be decorated then hauled back out when the season is over.

It doesn't bother me nearly as much in the areas where the trees are collected and ground into mulch to use in gardens. At least that's serving a non-decorative purpose.

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Response to JoeyT (Reply #17)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:05 PM

32. Thats the thing, most people dont even bother to take them to recycling places

 

I used to work for a condo building years ago. We begged the residents to take them to Xmas tree recycling centers, but to no avail. Maybe one or two did, the rest prefered to chop em up and throw them in the bins.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 01:20 PM

18. I live among trees

No desire to bring one inside and decorate it… live or plastic.

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Response to NV Whino (Reply #18)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:44 PM

27. +1

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 01:45 PM

19. You're all a bunch of tree-huggers!

Not that being a tree-hugger is a bad thing, mind you ...

Artificial trees for us.

Bake

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 01:46 PM

20. Nope, not one tiny bit.

The trees are grown and harvested for just that reason. And everything involved provides jobs for people. And with increased environmental awareness these days, the trees get recycled into mulch.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 01:52 PM

21. OK. Here's a question for those who use plastic trees to save the real ones.

How many harmful by products are dumped into the environment during the manufacture and disposal of plastic trees? At least the natural trees will eventually biodegrade.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #21)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:08 PM

50. That was my

dilemma as well.

Choices...murder a live tree or add to the environmental pollution via an artificial one.

Which is why we no longer do a tree at all.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:02 PM

23. The Tree at Rockefeller Center ...

... came from Mt Olive New Jersey. It's a survivor of Hurricane Sandy.
So what do they do? Cut it down & drag it to Manhattan.

WTF???

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Response to Myrina (Reply #23)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:48 PM

64. Sick, ain't it?

It doesn't get much more warped than that.

I don't really have a problem with farmed Xmas trees. They usually wind up as mulch or artificial fish reefs. But, I don't like seeing non-farmed trees being cut down. Especially the big ones, like the one that goes to Rockefeller Plaza, or the National Xmas Tree. I make exceptions when they've gotten so big that they're going to destroy someones home, as was the case with the National Tree a few years ago.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:19 PM

24. Fake can't replicate the fragrance.

Balsam or Fraser fir, what a great scent to have in the house.

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Response to Denninmi (Reply #24)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:43 PM

25. Natural fragrance for less than a month doesnt justfy killing a tree.

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #25)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:45 PM

43. I think we'll have to agree to disagree, then

Michigan is a major producer, it's very important to the economy of N. Michigan where few other crops grow.

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Response to Denninmi (Reply #43)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:51 PM

44. Yups, lol

 



So how is the weather up there?

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #44)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:17 PM

51. Decent, cool but sunny.

Going into the 50's / 60's next week in time for December to start.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:43 PM

26. They are farmed for the purpose

 

They wouldn't have existed except to cut them down for decorative purposes. You should be happy for this use, because otherwise those trees wouldn't have ever existed.

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Response to TrueBlueinCO (Reply #26)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:48 PM

28. How about plant them and leave them alone?

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 02:55 PM

30. You are welcome to do just that

 

These folks have decided to grow christmas trees for a living. So they plant them and then harvest them like any other farmer.

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Response to TrueBlueinCO (Reply #30)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:09 PM

33. Sure, theyre making a profit, so that makes it a-okay.

 

If the demand wasn't there, they would be farming something else, hopefully something useful.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:10 PM

47. making a profit certainly doesn't make it wrong

 

and if they were farming something else, then those trees that you care so much about would never have existed in the first place. It's not like we are short on farm land, this is the best use that they have found for that land.

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Response to TrueBlueinCO (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:16 PM

48. I respect your opinion but i wont change mine either.

 

I don't know how others take pleasure in watching a tree slowly die. I guess I'm too sensitive.

To each their own I suppose.

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Response to TrueBlueinCO (Reply #47)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 06:54 PM

49. Good point. In most cases the soil and climate where these trees are grown

wouldn't easily support a food crop like corn. You have to grow something that will actually grow. You don't see a lot of corn and wheat growing in northern Minnesota or the UP of Michigan, and you don't see a lot of Christmas tree farms in Kansas.

For myself, though, I don't get a Christmas tree. It bothers me to watch them dry up and die. Also, my cats destroy every decorative thing I try to bring into the house.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #49)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:24 PM

53. +1 for the cats...

Close the drapes in my house on a sunny day and the place lights up like a planetarium!

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #49)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:46 PM

55. Cats know best!

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #33)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:06 PM

59. Doesn't bother me. It's a crop. Trees are chopped down and replanted.

 

Trees don't have brains, so they can't ponder their own demise. Plus I live in Oregon and a lot of people here make their living this way.

Also, I'm sure the process for making those ugly artificial trees isn't so environmentally sound, either.

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Response to darkangel218 (Reply #28)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:01 PM

57. Why? I believe a young tree growing quickly fixes more CO2 than a mature stable tree. eom

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:24 PM

35. When I was a teenager

my roommate and I tried to grow a pot plant for use as a christmas tree.


It didn't make it to christmas. :/


but it DID provide peace and joy.

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Response to OriginalGeek (Reply #35)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:26 PM

37. Hehehe! +1

 

I don't use pot, but at least pot has a purpose. Other than looking pretty.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 03:36 PM

39. I prune my evergreens in December.

I stuff the branches into big stoneware crocks and decorate them just as you would a tree. No trees have to die, I have fresh greenery, and it's less hassle than wrestling a giant tree.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 04:41 PM

42. Nope

Hi,
As others have said, they are grown as a crop, I don't have a problem with it. However, I do not get a live tree and haven't for a long time.

Peace

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:03 PM

45. Yes. Several reasons.

First, real trees give me a headache.

I've had a perfectly good plastic tree I have used for years.

I don't like the idea of cutting them down and letting them die after we decorate them.

If I want pine fragrance, or spice fragrance, I will burn a candle and it will not give me a headache (I have a LOT of allergies).


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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 05:08 PM

46. yes, I get them in pots but they still die

 

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:20 PM

52. Nope.

I'm happy to see acres of land preserved green for the sake of Christmas trees. I'm not all that concerned that they're all the same height basically or that they are replaced every few years. A real tree never resulted from toxic petrochemicals (albeit the opposite is closer to the truth).

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:37 PM

54. We have an artificial tree. Once it is all

decorated you cannot tell the difference, with the exception of the smell. Still there are Christmas tree farms here in Canada and those trees would not grow at all if there was no market for them. It isn‘t the wild trees that get cut and sold most often. It also makes a pretty great income for the person on the empty lot who is selling them to the public. At least it used to be a great income. Same thing with Christmas wreaths. They are often made bt first peoples in rural areas, who otherwise have very limited access to good jobs. So I tend to feel about Christmas trees the same way I feel about farming.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 07:57 PM

56. Yes.

I have a nice artificial. For all sorts of reasons. All of which are valid to me.

I put it up some years; some years I don't.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:03 PM

58. I have absolutely no problem with it. For a time, the outdoors are brought indoors...

and we can repeat it next year.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:12 PM

60. I prefer plastic just for the sake of convenience,

but using terms like "slaughter" is sufficiently over the top to make your argument seem rather silly.

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Response to Codeine (Reply #60)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:25 PM

69. Im sorry it that word offended you. nt

 


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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:15 PM

61. I don't like it at all, but at least they're treated as a renewable resource


and are replanted... most of these tree groves aren't around long enough to develop into animal habitats, I don't think. I hate the waste not just for the loss of the tree, but for any bird or other creature that called that tree its home or shelter.

At least it isn't the same as cutting old growth forest for Kleenex and toilet paper (I'm looking at you, Kimberly Clark), or people who are so incredibly wasteful and thoughtless and looooove to print every single frigging thing they can find on the Internet. I worked with someone like that. I had a very hard time not screaming at him about it.

I despise the use of wrapping paper for gifts.

I wish we could cultivate kudzu for paper needs.

And I HATE the use of trees for furniture.

I posted this in the Lounge a while back -- didn't get much traction, but I think it's really interesting / definitely a move in the right direction:


http://www.treehugger.com/culture/celebrity-treehugger-woody-harrelson-tree-saving-paper-mill.html

You may know Woody Harrelson for his Emmy-winning television work, his Oscar-nominated film roles, or as this year’s official sexiest celebrity vegetarian (thank you, PETA). Which is all fine and good, but we know (and admire and adore) Woody Harrelson for the love he shows the trees.

Like some Lorax of Hollywood -- minus the “shortish and oldish and brownish and mossy” -- Harrelson speaks for the trees. And not only does he speak for them, he has been actively working on formidable solutions for ways to save the arboreal denizens of this orb we call home.

Not satisfied to idly stand by as various industries greedily gobble up ancient forests, Harrelson teamed up with sustainably savvy eco-entrepreneur Jeff Golfman (pictured below) in the late 1990s to form Prairie Pulp & Paper.

Based in Manitoba, the company has become the industry leader in research, development and commercialization of tree-free pulp and paper.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:41 PM

63. Not at all. I'd have to be against paper, wood products, and development too. Besides

I love having a tree in the house. The feel and smell and strangeness of it is wonderful. It's like a little altar to nature in my living room, and it makes me all the more connected with all the ones outside. We recycle them and life cycles.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 08:54 PM

65. Never got tree for Christmas

Stupid way to mess up good evergreen

Like trees to much kill one for couple of weeks

Have gotten some live ones in Potts

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:15 PM

68. A Plastic tree which is filled with all sorts of toxins that take thousands of years to break down??

I'll take a real one or none at all.

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Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:41 PM

70. The real trees are grown specially to be cut down for Christmas. New ones are planted. Artificial

Artificial trees, I've read, are more damaging to the environment because of their manufacture and all the energy it takes to make them, plus the toxins used to make and mold plastic and vinyl.

If people quit buying real trees, the growers will go out of business, and those trees won't exist, anymore. It's managed growing. They're constantly planting new ones, as their existing ones are cut. They're tree FARMS.

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Thu Nov 29, 2012, 10:48 PM

71. Yes, it's a sick and wasteful tradition, as well as a fire hazard

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:14 PM

72. KILL a tree for Christ! - My husband's slogan for this time of year.

When we had trees for decoration, they were always live trees. We'd keep them inside for a couple of days, all fancied up, then plant them on the farm. When we ran out of places we wanted to plant evergreens, we stopped having trees for the holidays.

No too far from us there is a Christmas tree farm. They sell trees from 3-4' to 8' and over. People have family outings to select their trees and watch them being cut. The family that owns the farm makes a good supplemental income from it, enough to help them hang on to their acreage even though they are now surrounded by subdivisions. It's a better use for the land than a house every few feet.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Thu Nov 29, 2012, 11:17 PM

73. Not every sapling grows into a forest giant

I go thin 'em out of the woods.

They'll probably die anyways, and taking the little trees keeps the fire danger down.

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Response to darkangel218 (Original post)

Fri Nov 30, 2012, 05:44 PM

75. Sad world without decoration

I suppose plastic flowers, plastic trees, and astroturf parks make sense to some. Others are fine doing without a daisy, christmas tree, or managed greenery. Christmas trees (as many have already said) are a farmed crop. Here in Oregon, one of the major Xmas tree producers, they are almost exclusively located on marginal land or farmland that is being rotated. The trees grow with virtually no fertilizer, pesticides, or irrigation. They also grow dense enough that 9 out of 10 of the planted trees would be "murdered" by their neighbors due to overcrowding before they'd reach the age of 50. Almost all of them are cut 4-8 years after planting.

Flowers, of almost any type, are infinity more detriment to the environment. Even non-cut flowers are a much bigger waste of resources. We should maybe switch all the effort we put into "useless" decoration and make sure we have enough sack clothe, ashes, and whips to punish ourselves for the harm our existence causes.

OTOH - I have no problem with anyone who says trees are too messy, smell unpleasant to them, or just think they are ugly. I just don't think one of the very best things about humanity--our ability to see, appreciate, and create art--is useless or a waste.

We decorate not to waste, but because not to decorate is a waste of our humanity.

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