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Sat Jun 5, 2021, 01:28 PM

We know Trump is crazy.

The insanity defense might work as a last resort. Vincent (The Chin) Gigante could be a model.

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Reply We know Trump is crazy. (Original post)
bigendian Jun 5 OP
Ocelot II Jun 5 #1
ShazzieB Jun 5 #2

Response to bigendian (Original post)

Sat Jun 5, 2021, 01:55 PM

1. No. Trump's "craziness" consists of some fairly extreme personality disorders

but he's not psychotic in a way that would support an insanity defense (which rarely works anyhow). Gigante feigned mental incompetence as if he was developmentally disabled rather than psychotic; he shuffled around in a bathrobe, mumbling to himself, and acting as if he didn't understand what was going on around him; his lawyers claimed he had been mentally disabled since the late 1960's, with a below-normal I.Q. of 69 to 72. He was willing to publicly humiliate himself in a way that Trump would never, ever do. Trump, however, is a malignant narcissist who apparently has managed to convince himself that he won the election because his disorder won't permit him to acknowledge he lost. But he would never allow his lawyers to raise an insanity defense, and he isn't legally insane (unable to understand the nature and consequence of his actions) even though he is certainly not normal.

A somewhat similar case is that of Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian white supremacist who, in 2011, killed eight people by detonating a bomb in Oslo, then killing 69 young people at a summer camp. Initially he was diagnosed as schizophrenic, but a second psychiatric evaluation determined he had narcissistic personality disorder but was legally sane. Breivik was outraged at the initial diagnosis that he was mentally ill, even though it would have kept him out of prison. He "expressed hope at being declared sane in a letter sent to several Norwegian newspapers shortly before his trial, he wrote about the prospect of being sent to a psychiatric ward: "I must admit this is the worst thing that could have happened to me as it is the ultimate humiliation. To send a political activist to a mental hospital is more sadistic and evil than to kill him! It is a fate worse than death." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik I think Trump would be equally outraged at the idea of raising an insanity defense.

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Response to Ocelot II (Reply #1)

Sat Jun 5, 2021, 07:12 PM

2. You nailed it.

100% agree. For all the reasons mentioned.

Even if it was something that had a chance of working, he wouldn't do it. He would never go along with anything that would involve acknowledging he might be defective in some way. His personality disorders would never allow him to concede that he is anything other than the smartest, the smartest, the best in every possible way, and always, ALWAYS right.

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