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Sun May 2, 2021, 09:27 PM

Hey, can you ID this Updated version of this famous guy

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Reply Hey, can you ID this Updated version of this famous guy (Original post)
packman May 2 OP
Inkey May 2 #1
packman May 2 #2
Irish_Dem May 2 #3
Buckeye_Democrat May 2 #4
packman May 2 #5
Irish_Dem May 2 #7
wnylib May 2 #13
hlthe2b May 2 #6
Irish_Dem May 2 #8
packman May 2 #9
Irish_Dem May 2 #10
ShazamIam May 2 #11
Irish_Dem May 2 #12
wnylib May 2 #14
Irish_Dem May 2 #15
Irish_Dem May 2 #16
wnylib May 2 #18
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wnylib May 3 #26
Irish_Dem May 3 #27
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Irish_Dem May 3 #31
wnylib May 3 #33
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Irish_Dem May 3 #36
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Marthe48 May 3 #30
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Hoyt May 2 #17
Irish_Dem May 2 #20
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Irish_Dem May 2 #22
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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:30 PM

1. Andrew Jackson perhaps.

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Response to Inkey (Reply #1)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:33 PM

2. Nope

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:33 PM

3. Is it George Washington?

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:34 PM

4. Looks like George Washington. nt

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Response to Buckeye_Democrat (Reply #4)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:36 PM

5. Yep, that's George

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Response to packman (Reply #5)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:38 PM

7. Looks just like George Washington.

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Response to packman (Reply #5)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:00 PM

13. Wow. I'd vote for him.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:37 PM

6. Looks a bit like the British actor, Charles Dance (played Tywin Lannister in Game of Thrones)

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:39 PM

8. I won the contest, what is my prize?

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #8)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:41 PM

9. Sending you thoughts and prayers

for you to cash in for whatever value they have

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Response to packman (Reply #9)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:44 PM

10. I'd rather have cash money.

In large denominations please.
And no funny business.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:45 PM

11. GW, we have been looking at those eyes since we were children, not to mention the dollar bills.

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Response to ShazamIam (Reply #11)

Sun May 2, 2021, 09:48 PM

12. It was the mouth and nose that I saw right away.

Yes we have been looking at that face for decades.

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Response to ShazamIam (Reply #11)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:05 PM

14. Yeah, but I didn't recognize him without

the hat. Didn't know his forehead was so high.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #14)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:18 PM

15. Next time, don't look at the clothes or hair, just look just at the face.

All the externals are confusing.
Look at the facial structure.
Eye, nose, mouth.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #15)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:22 PM

16. The mouth was the biggest clue.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #15)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:27 PM

18. You're right of course. I think I would not

make a good crime witness.

The eyes remind me of Robert Mueller.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #18)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:30 PM

19. I didn't realize that Washington had strabismus.

Misaligned eyes. That threw me for a couple of minutes.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #19)

Mon May 3, 2021, 01:22 AM

26. The mislignment does not appear

to be very pronounced. They didn't have prism spectacles back then so I wonder how he could focus well enough to lead soldiers in the field and to shoot a musket.

A little side story about George. I grew up in the area of western PA that George was sent to on a mission to tell the French to get out, which set off the French and Indian wars. There were 3 French forts there - Fort Presque Isle (Erie), Fort Le Boeuf (Waterford), and Fort Duquesne (Pittsburgh). I am from Erie and my father was from Waterford, about 25 miles south of Erie.

Waterford is on low ground with a large creek running past it. There is also a small lake there. The soil is clay. Every spring, melting snow causes the lake to expand over its banks and flood the land around it. The creek also overflows some years. The whole area on the southern side just outside of Waterford turns into a boggy marsh. The skies are gray and cloudy in spring, with days at a time of slowly drizzling cold rain. Locals complain about it all the time.

I discovered that George did, too.

One day I killed time in the library waiting for a car repair by reading a publication of Washington's diary for the time that he was approaching Fort Le Boeuf/Waterford. He describes mile after mile of sloppy, slushy clay, cold rain, dystentery among the troops, horses getting stuck in the mud, and dismal gray skies with no sun. His tone sounds very discouraged.

Finally one entry, which I can't quote verbatim after all these years, but fairly close, calls it a damnable God forsaken land of little value that he could see. He asks why in God's name the British would even want such a land and says that he would abandon the mission if it were up to him, but that he had committed himself and his word as an officer to carry it through, so he would but that his men and horses must rest, even though there was no dry ground to rest upon.

He sounded so much like the grumbling locals there today that I cracked up laughing as I read this. But then I realized that he was a very young man at the time so his commitment and determination said a lot about his character and leadership ability in hard times, keeping up troop morale to see it through. He couldn't have known it then, but this experience was good training for Valley Forge in his future.

(The area is actually very pleasant once the spring flood season is over.)



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Response to wnylib (Reply #26)

Mon May 3, 2021, 08:11 AM

27. OMG that is hilarious. And how neat that your area is a part of American history.

He calls it God forsaken country. Like the locals.
Slushy clay has to be the worst.
I guess he should have come in the summer.

But yes you are exactly correct. Little did he know, but he was gaining valuable experience for when
he was a general in the revolutionary forces which faced incredible hardships. His character sounds like
it was forged early on, but he needed the experience as well.

And if it is the case he did not really see all that well, his record out in the field leading troops is even more
outstanding.

Thanks for sharing! Great story.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #27)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:04 AM

28. Long before our grade school class

learned about Washington's trip to our area, I had learned about it from a statue of George next to the creek on the outskirts of Waterford. We drove past it often on our way to visit my father's relatives who lived there.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #28)

Mon May 3, 2021, 09:29 PM

31. That is so cool. Would be great to time travel to that spot.

And listen to Washington cuss out the weather and terrain.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #31)

Mon May 3, 2021, 09:39 PM

33. But would we understand him?

I'm guessing that he spoke in an accent that was a cross between American South and British English. But which British, since even today there are so many regional and class distinctions in British English?

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Response to wnylib (Reply #33)

Mon May 3, 2021, 09:41 PM

34. Good point. I guess that would be the fun part.

But yes we may have no idea what the heck he saying.
But when someone is cussing up a storm, we usually get the drift no matter the language.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #34)

Mon May 3, 2021, 09:58 PM

35. So true about understanding another

language when people are cursing.

I went with my husband to some swimming classes that he was taking, since he had never learned to swim as a child. There was a couple there from India who we made friends with. They spoke English most of the time, but sometimes used Urdu with each other.

One day when they were speaking Urdu, the wife started speaking in an anxious, very animated tone. The husband used a softer but more determined tone. They argued and she got angry, waving her arms and then crosding them over her chest.

I told the husband that I agreed with his wife that it was too risky. They both asked how I knew what they were saying. I said it was obvious from the context and tones of their voices. He wanted to go to the 12 foot end of the pool and she felt that he was not yet a strong enough swimmer to get across it without being watched carefully. There were too many people in the class for the instructor to focus on just one person.

That was exactly what they had been arguing about.

I do not know a single word of Urdu.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #35)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:06 PM

36. I love this example.

I am a retired clinical psychologist. And this is part of our training, to look at tone, non-verbals, etc.

But for you to go a few step beyond and identify the actual topic when you don't know the language is amazing.

You have very exceptional observational skills!

If I were still teaching, this would have been a really neat exercise for students.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #36)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:29 PM

37. I have always had an aptitude for language learning,

but have only studied 3 languages. I think it came from childhood experiences. I grew up with Italian immigrants as neighbors and a German-born great aunt in our home. My aunt had two Hungarian friends who knew German.

Aunt Emma would sit on our front porch speaking German, although they all knew English. Our neighbors would get together in their yards speaking Italian. Since I didn't know either language, I learned to pick up cues from body language and the rhythm of their speech. That helped me later in learning languages. Isn't that how babies and children learn their native languages, from context and body language?

That situation with Urdu was not quite so mysterious as it sounds. The instructor had told the class previously that, as they improved, they would move into deeper water. The husband who spoke Urdu had already impressed me as someone who was achievement oriented and a risk taker.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #37)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:35 PM

38. You also have an aptitude for non-verbal language and context.

Yes it all goes together in terms of human communication.

Again in terms of the Urdu communication you were able to add it all up, context, non-verbals, personality of speakers, as well as verbal.

You are also very observant and like to gathering data to from a conclusion.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #38)

Tue May 4, 2021, 03:38 AM

40. Most of the time I am not consciously

aware that I am drawing conclusions from data collected by observation. I just do it. Later I can see what I did and how.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #40)

Tue May 4, 2021, 08:35 AM

42. That is a gift.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #42)

Tue May 4, 2021, 09:58 AM

43. I think that practice has just made it second nature.

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Response to wnylib (Reply #43)

Tue May 4, 2021, 01:37 PM

44. Yes, kind of like how I operate.

After 40 years of being a therapist, I just notice things others don't.
Only now that I am now retired, I am off the meter, so don't have to do anything with it.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #19)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:20 AM

30. I read a long time ago

That faces are not perfectly symmetrical. There was a theory that if you cover half a person's face at a time, you could see 2 natures of the person. I have tried it several times over the years, and it is interesting how different each half looks. Most of the time, I see kindness on one side, and acumen on the other.

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Response to Marthe48 (Reply #30)

Mon May 3, 2021, 09:33 PM

32. That is very interesting.

I have heard the there are two different looking sides to a face, but never heard of it connecting
to emotion or intellect.

The brain is divided into various parts with intellectual and emotive aspects of personality.
Maybe the face reflects that fact.

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Response to ShazamIam (Reply #11)

Sun May 2, 2021, 11:38 PM

24. Yup.

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Response to ShazamIam (Reply #11)

Tue May 4, 2021, 06:58 AM

41. This portrait is best match...



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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:26 PM

17. It's the difference in hair styles.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #17)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:32 PM

20. Right we are used to seeing him with the hat and long powdered hair.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #20)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:37 PM

21. Kind of like him with modern hairstyle, but he looks like a GOPer salesman.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #21)

Sun May 2, 2021, 10:37 PM

22. Yes I do to. He looks like a nice guy, not bad looking either.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 11:36 PM

23. GW!

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Response to packman (Original post)

Sun May 2, 2021, 11:52 PM

25. Looks like James Whitmore without they eyebrows.

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Response to rickyhall (Reply #25)

Mon May 3, 2021, 11:35 PM

39. I was thinking James Whitmore & Michael Douglas mashed up

I will never look at Washington the same way again.

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Response to packman (Original post)

Mon May 3, 2021, 10:15 AM

29. Knew him right away

Cool

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