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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:32 PM

1. I'm sorry you are going through so much.....


There comes a time when it becomes too much, and for your sanity and your health you may have to put your SO in a good place, where they are used to folks like him, and his sheets will be washed, etc.

You deserve a medal for what you are doing, and you will know when it's time to let go.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:32 PM

2. Oh my, Soph...I'm so sorry.

Huge hugs to you, I know it can be so hard.

I took care of my mom during her cancer and I just can't explain it. I know your feelings and wish I could help! Are you talking with him about the next step? That was the hardest part for mom and me, talking about the final days. Boy, my heart is just breaking for you, I'm so sad.

Please know you are not alone. I'll send you all my love and prayers.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:36 PM

3. First a giant Energy hug for you

1. Consider an intercom or walkie talkies to replace the bell. We use a pair of Alexa dots. He can let you know if he needs the rest room right away, or if you can take your time to bring him a drink. Consider he may be lonely and afraid of being alone.

2. Is in home help available? even a few hours a week may help you stand the strain.

3. It is critical that he try and keep moving if he can.. as long as the Dr. ok's it. Consider Dancing (even if that dancing is only swaying and hugging). Try to build his confidence in standing and walking if you can. Physical Therapy may help.

Best of luck and All of the hugs and energy I can spare are on their way to you

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Response to Tribalceltic (Reply #3)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:50 PM

12. I used a baby monitor. Reciever with battery power and a belt clip. Bell was crap idea here.

I had county home health train me how to do may things safe and easy. Zero help with smells.

It ain't easy when you love them.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:37 PM

4. At least you can still laugh!

Your humor is a saving grace for all of us.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:37 PM

5. How awful for both of you!

This is why so many seriously disabled people wind up neglected and/or abused. Caregivers find it too hard to cope and too many of them don't have a close attachment to the people they care for.
You can only do your best. Remember the love...always.
Make sure you eat and get some rest.
Sending virtual hugs.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:40 PM

6. Have you considered employing a care provider to help you out?

I am surprised that that hasn't been provided for you through your health care system, given the state of affairs. Weird.

Stay strong and vent away.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:46 PM

10. He has givers through a cancer charity

They are just 250 miles away. I have to try and find out Monday if we can get help here. I have already tried their web site, but you have to be a cancer patient to get any information. It is very frustrating.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:43 PM

7. You are a saint......a gawd send.....an angel......the best your SO could EVER have.

Toughest job in the world caring for a SO.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:44 PM

8. If you can, get hospice now

Youíll have some help.

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Response to wryter2000 (Reply #8)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:48 PM

11. I know you are right

But that means I am giving up on him maybe living. Not sure I am there right now.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:04 PM

15. Dear Soph---Hospice is wonderful. They helped so much when my mother was very ill. When

I first spoke with them, they were very clear that hospice does not mean you are giving up on someone. (In fact, I personally know of two persons who were on hospice care and eventually came off of it and went on to live a few more years.) The hospice people helped by getting my mom's medications so I didn't have to worry about it (and I didn't have to pay co payments anymore). They were there for moral support for my mother and for me and my family. They made my mother feel calmer and so much more comfortable. They explained things that were happening so that I worried less. They also made it clear that you can make the decision to stop hospice care at any time. I hope you will consider having them come help. Whatever you decide, please know I am thinking of you and sending hugs and prayers to you and your loved one.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:27 PM

22. Hospice doesn't mean giving up on your loved one

It means giving your loved one the best possible end of life care. My mom's hospice was wonderful. They provided everything she needed including an air mattress type bed to prevent bed sores. Mom's nurse was kind and compassionate, but leveled with me about what was happening and what to expect. Mom was in hospice for a few months shy of a year. There's no set time limit, but the case is reviewed every 60 days.

To this day, I regret having the same attitude about "giving up" on my dad who passed before his wife. He should have been in hospice much earlier and could have probably passed at home instead of in a skilled nursing facility.

Don't wait another day to have your SO evaluated for hospice care. It will be the best decision you have ever made.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #22)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:53 PM

52. Absolutely right!

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:49 PM

31. I just saw this about giving up if hospice is called in. Absolutely not true. I have dealt with

them since '79. On every occasion, they have been godsends. As others have pointed out, there are many cases where people recover to be released from hospice. I personally have known three, and know of others.

If you call them in, it simply means that you are calling in the best-qualified care you can. It is not about giving up, it is about giving your SO the very best care possible. Again, I don't know about how it works there, but here, the family, loved ones, have access to some services themselves, such as counseling.

Please consider this, if you have the option, both for your SO, and for yourself.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:10 PM

35. I will reiterate what others in this subthread have stated

call them, they will help you both so much.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:18 PM

39. I promise you it does not mean you are giving up on him.

All it means is that you are human and you cannot take care of everything 24/7. You need help.

I took care of my mom and dad for seven years. And when my mom's health went downhill, we had hospice to help us. I could not have done it without them.

Please give yourself permission to ask for help. It's the hardest thing to do. I totally understand that. It's one of the hardest lessons for us to learn in life, to ask for help.

If I lived near you, I would be helping you right now. There are other people like me who would help in a heartbeat. All you need to do is say the word.

The person you love is in crisis, you are in crisis. This should be a time where the two of you are both cared for, and where you have time to just love each other and not spend every second stressed out.

Hospice can help.

And don't ever, ever, ever feel like you are failing him or yourself. You are doing the hardest job in the world.
I know. I've been there.

Sending you as much support as I can through these words.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:42 PM

48. That's what Art Buchwald thought then he got better.


When he got up and tried to check out no one knew what form to use.

Love your sense of humor.

All I could think of is

WE NEED MORE COW BELL

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 09:09 PM

55. I was a hospice nurse for years

Please call them. You need help NOW. If you wear yourself out (and it will happen quickly and you will be ill) then you will truly be in a mess. And they can provide care and comfort that you are struggling to provide as you were not, as you said, trained in it.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 12:04 AM

62. Soph0571, I am a cancer survivor & was in home hospice, (didn't know it, lol!) but I know SO

many folks that've gone into hospice, only to come out of it. My best friend's dad went into and came out of hospice 4 times. In Hospice, the care turns from trying to cure & active treatment of the cancer, pivotting to comfort, nutrition and building up the body as much as possible. While it's NOT a good thing to enter hospice, it doesn't necessarily mean a death sentence, trust me, I know.
Stage 4B metastatic Cervical Cancer complicated by visceral gangrene in every abdominal organ EXCEPT my heart & Lungs. You and your beloved remain in my prayers. God bless & please know that you're not alone.

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Response to Soph0571 (Reply #11)

Sun Sep 13, 2020, 03:34 PM

67. Is there in-house hospice care available? Some hospices here in the US do in-home visits. nt

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:45 PM

9. I'm so sorry - it might be time to get some help.

It's really too hard to manage this kind of care alone. If he can't get out of bed at all and you can't move him or change the sheets he's susceptible to bedsores and other infections. If you can get a visiting nurse or other carer to come in for at least a few hours a day it will take some of the burden off you and help keep him comfortable. My own parents became bedridden in their last weeks so I know what some of the problems are with bathing and bathroom and other issues, and my brother and I just couldn't handle their care, so we had to get in-home carers. It's an awful, sad situation but you will exhaust yourself if you don't get help.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #9)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:50 PM

13. I was thinking tonight about paying for some home care

The memories I want are not the ones I am living right now.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 06:55 PM

14. Strength, dear heart! Sending courage.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:11 PM

16. I'm so SO sorry!


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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:16 PM

17. If he is at that stage, he probably just wants you to be by his side. He maybe fearing his departure

It takes a lot of patience. The thing is, once this is over, you'll wish he was still here ringing that bell. Pray for strength. We are here when you need us.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:19 PM

18. (((((((((((((Soph))))))))))))) all the hugs you can handle, from all of your DU family. We are here

for you and your SO. Speaking as a caregiver, but not familiar with your system, isn't there some kind of help for both of you? Respite care for you?

I know how incredibly hard this is for both of you, and I pray daily that there are answers for you.

Remember, your DU family is here. Someone is always around.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:21 PM

19. You need help.

Can you contact his doctor, or the hospital?
Hospice is a service, it's not just a place where people go to die. My friend Marcia was in hospice and still living at home. There should be a program for someone to come and spell you for a bit. You undoubtedly have other errands to run plus you will burn out completely at this rate, not good for you or for him.

I wish I could help you more. So, so sorry this is happening to you both. Cancer sucks.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:21 PM

20. Oh Soph, if I lived near I'd come give you a hand

But, Iím an ocean away. Home health aides can truly be a life/sanity saver - give you a break from the bell (which is a smart method). You probably already know this, but hospice can be for just palliative care as one of my uncles with severe MS relies on as part of his care. Was difficult to get him to overcome the stigma, explained that itís about keeping him as well as possible for as long as possible.


I read a couple weeks ago that youíre going through this, and didnít know what to say. Have thought of yíall since. Hang in there, and find that nice thing to do for yourself everyday.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:26 PM

21. I wish words could help.

Really help. Not just a tiny, momentary pick-me-up....but alas.

You seem like a lovely woman, and are doing yeoman's service, at the very least! I watched my father work himself into an early grave, taking care of my mother, who had dementia. He was the typical stoic of his generation - flew Spitfires in WW2 because....well, it needed doing, didn't it? In the many years following, he rarely spoke more than 5 words about it at a time - and did not want to be seen asking for help.

Please don't make the same mistake, turning yourself into a ragged husk and hastening a bad end for both of you. I've seen this movie, and I hated it the first time.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:28 PM

23. I forgot to add...

Your husband must be a very good man, or one of the luckiest.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:29 PM

24. I'm so sorry for both you and your fella.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:34 PM

25. That is what you get for not having a

misspent youth watching the boobtube! You would have known bell and bedridden isn't a good combination.

Sorry about the cancer.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:36 PM

26. Your SO is so lucky to have you

You are wonderful to him and for him. I can only imagine how hard and horrible this is. Your care is the essence of loving. If you possibly can get anyone in there for a few hours a day a few days a week it would be so good. Might be worth a call to hospice to see if you can get any caregiver backup help from them or if you can get the names from hospice of some local caregivers or of an agency who can send caregivers to you.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:39 PM

27. Oh Sopp. It's so hard being a caretaker.



Can you hire a company to come in for a few hours a day or 3 days a week? They saved me because they bathed my mom, something I really did not want to do. Plus they would clean some and would make her lunch. They were a great help.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:41 PM

28. Dear Soph

It is so so hard. Physically and emotionally draining. A few tips Iíve learned from an 8 week heart heart attack /bi-pass surgery/gastric bleed recovery for my dear husband and now in a12 week recovery for fractured hip. At first I tried to go it alone 24/7. Then I realized I had to have help.

You get physically and emotionally drained and feel like you canít go on. You need food, liquids and sleep. You need to talk to friends and vent. You need to release your emotions by crying if you want. I cried in the shower and felt better for it.

Sleep when they sleep. If they are napping you try and nap.
If there is any way to get/afford caregiver assistance go for it. If you can be relieved of some of the physical duties you are free to just be together. A caregiver can sometimes get your loved one to do what you cannot like try the walker or stretch or wash up Or eat/drink or go outside in a wheelchair or do a bit more for themselves (within their capabilities) than you can get them to do. Itís odd but Iíve seen it over and over where a third party is listened to and gets better results.

Love to you both 🙂

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:45 PM

29. You've said it yourself: all this is too much.

Now it's time to act for the benefit of both of you. Love and acceptance of reality go together.

Time for hospice help, at home or in a hospice. Hugs.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:46 PM

30. Damn! Please stay strong.

There is nothing easy about any of this. He needs you.



Love is all.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 07:56 PM

32. Oh wow

I hear you. This is such a difficult time! Youíre trying so hard, bless you.

We hear you and we all send hugs.... youíre such a trouper.... I had to care for my mom although She was not quite as infirm, and I thought I would lose my friggin mind! Sending you strength ...

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Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:01 PM

33. ...

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:04 PM

34. Prayers/energy being sent for strength and comfort

I pray for your loving, generous, human heart.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:13 PM

36. You are rising to a Herculean task.

He knows this and appreciates it. You are his world, too.

May peace go with you in all of the dark places you must walk.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:14 PM

37. Oh Soph

You are doing the best you can. I can relate to your "gag reflex". I could not imagine what you are going through. Please go kind on your self. you are there for SO even if you recoil from the care. Hang in for we are here to support you.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:17 PM

38. So very sorry, Soph

We had Hospice care for my Dad. They were very compassionate caregivers. It was a team of nurses and a counselor. It is not giving up. It is comfort and peace for your beloved and for you. Take care. Hugs and love to you.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:22 PM

40. I said a prayer. You are an angel.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:26 PM

41. Sending hugs

Others have pointed out you need help to get some time to get away and not be there all the time. Hospice doesnít mean giving up. You both need to talk to them about what you do or donít want.

You also need to talk about what emergency support you need if something does happen. In the states we call it medical power or attorney.

That also doesnít mean giving up. Just being prepared in case something does happen so what he wants or doesnít want is respected.

It doesnít exactly get easier but you get more used to it if that makes sense.

He could be bored. Iíve been laid up and just having someone or a pet in the room even without talking can be a relief. Anything, television, videos, comics, books can help. Video calls/visits from friends and family can make it so he feels less isolated. Many people can use zoom for example these days.

Also remember he loves you. Patients arenít exactly patient. Just being so dependent and frustrated can make them have a bad attitude to the people who they need. Thatís hard to take, so remember he loves you.

Edit to add that for the walker(zimmer frame?) is it possible to get one or two physical therapy sessions? That seems like the type of thing that can be easier to get help with from an ďexpert strangerĒ than someone close.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:29 PM

42. So sorry you & SO are having such a tough time

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:30 PM

43. Thoughts and energy hugs!

To reiterate what others have suggested....hospice. It's not given up. It's help in situations like this when you really need it, focused on quality of life for patient and family. In a "former life", my SO did hospice. She had patients that hung on for months, but hospice was there when they needed it. And they can handle with ease the gag reflex stuff I can't even imagine.

Love your posts by the way.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:31 PM

44. I am so sorry. I've been there with both my parents but never as bad as it sounds for you.

It is such a struggle. You really do need to talk to Hospice. They will come in and help you figure out a good routine and take care of lots of his needs that you cannot do. Try to get some rest. Maybe you need medication!!!!

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:34 PM

45. I've been there (and I have my own mobility problems and fear I am getting there)

...With my brother who lived with me. We had a business together that we ran for six years and then he was found to have cancer...it took three years to kill him after surgeries and chemo and radiation. The final year was hell. When I could no longer get him up from his recliner even for trips to the bathroom he went to hospice and lasted about 2 months...After he died I found an e-mail he had sent describing his hell providing the same care for our mom 5 years before. The thing he fixed on was he knew he was loved and that I should never feel any guilt-that love alone could not change the equation. He thanked me for what I had done and said to move on. He's 5 years gone now himself and mostly he is just a memory and a smile. It truly isn't much but it has to do. I'll always have that feeling, like-wait until I tell him...then I stop, reflect and again I smile. I hope someday you can too.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:40 PM

46. Sending strength and peace your way.

I feel your pain. Tight hugs.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:42 PM

47. Take special care

It is so hard to watch your love suffer so, my heart breaks for you.......take special care of yourself, too.....caregivers (you) are special angels on earth. Hugs to you and your SO.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:43 PM

49. Take special care

It is so hard to watch your love suffer so, my heart breaks for you.......take special care of yourself, too.....caregivers (you) are special angels on earth. Hugs to you and your SO.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:43 PM

50. I'm so very sorry. You need help. I've been there and you will NOT be giving up on him if you call

hospice. If you feel strongly about not asking them to come in and you can afford in-home care, please do it ASAP. I know from experience that you won't be much good if you're completely burned out. Again, I'm so sorry. It's not fair.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:47 PM

51. :hug:

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 08:55 PM

53. After reading so many of your posts and responding to a few, my heart goes out to you and

your partner.

Being a caregiver can be overwhelming. I work with a local Area Agency On Aging (n4a.org) and they may have some resources to help.

Thank you for being there. I'll try to do the same.

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Response to Soph0571 (Original post)

Sat Sep 12, 2020, 09:04 PM

54. Call the Hospice people, ask for help.

One person cannot be everything for another. You will burn out and not helpful to him.

This is not a one person job. I am a retired RN and a cancer survivor. I have been both caregiver and patient. I was in terrible shape during chemo ( passed out in the bathroom and fell from low blood pressure..got an ambulance ride). My husband the critical care nurse could not do it by himself.

Lots of us understand this is too much for one person.

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Sat Sep 12, 2020, 09:17 PM

56. Reach out for trained care-giver help. You need it now. He needs it now. Hang in there. It sux.

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Sat Sep 12, 2020, 09:18 PM

57. Over here there is option for "palliative care" as a step before hospice. But, as others have

said, you can contact them for advice to help you out. They are great.

And as for the memories (of this kind of care) of now not being the ones you want later...they won't be. They will disappear behind the shining times of your deep love for your partner, and the good times you had together.

Wishing you courage, strength, and maybe a good nights sleep here and there.

You have given SO much to DU, I know all of us would like to be able to give something back to you... besides words and emojis.

**sigh**




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Sat Sep 12, 2020, 09:20 PM

58. ...

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Sat Sep 12, 2020, 09:24 PM

59. I just wanted to mention something icky

Bed sores. If he doesn't ever change position, he's going to get them. That happened to my mother, and it is a whole 'nother world of creepiness and pain. My best to the both of you; it's so hard to do this.

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Sat Sep 12, 2020, 09:25 PM

60. soph the bell might not be the worst idea.....is it possible to get in some home care for the

personal care and for lifting him to a chair to take him to the bathroom and even wheel him out in to the other parts of the house.

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Sat Sep 12, 2020, 09:30 PM

61. Hugs to you both.

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Sun Sep 13, 2020, 03:18 AM

63. Hugs to you both - sorry that you're having to go through this.

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Sun Sep 13, 2020, 02:30 PM

64. sending peace your way

take care of yourself anyway you can

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Sun Sep 13, 2020, 03:29 PM

65. Get some help my friend

You will burnout and be of no use to either of you.

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Sun Sep 13, 2020, 03:31 PM

66. Oh, Soph! I feel so sorry for you and your beloved. I wish things were easier for both of you. nt

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Sun Sep 13, 2020, 04:24 PM

68. Oh, dear Soph, I am so sorry for what you are going through. It is such a tough job for anybody,

not to mention the emotional pain you are suffering. I will echo what many others here are saying about getting in home hospice care. My mother had her mother move in with them during her very brief demise from a brain tumor and she elected to get in home care and assistance as well, even though she had a lifetime's experience of caring for sick patients.

She was retired nurse/nursing professor who was more than capable of handling many of the tasks that were required, but even she knew that she could not do everything on her own and she had my dad there to help her as well. It is much too big of an undertaking for one person, especially when you have been under so much stress for so long.

Please allow yourself a little break. It does not mean you care any less or have given up, it only means that you understand that everyone has limits and you are no exception. You have been a wonderful, loving caretaker who has gone above and beyond. Asking for a little help will be the best thing for both of you.

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Sun Sep 13, 2020, 05:18 PM

69. Get help

I was a hospice social worker. We had patients who lived. They have a wide variety of services they can offer you. Call his doctor, tell them the situation.

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Sun Sep 13, 2020, 06:04 PM

70. So Sorry, Soph

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