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Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:26 AM

55 years later, Paul McCartney says girl who said she loved you would now prefer to just be friends

These are the thoughts I wake up with, friends.





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Reply 55 years later, Paul McCartney says girl who said she loved you would now prefer to just be friends (Original post)
Miles Archer Monday OP
Achilleaze Monday #1
FreepFryer Monday #2
doompatrol39 Monday #6
FreepFryer Monday #8
lunamagica Monday #12
FreepFryer Monday #13
lunamagica Monday #14
FreepFryer Monday #15
Freddie Monday #3
Miles Archer Monday #5
Docreed2003 Monday #7
Freddie Monday #9
Miles Archer Monday #10
Freddie Monday #11
democratisphere Monday #4

Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:32 AM

1. Yeah, yeah, yeah

You know you should be glad.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:33 AM

2. Eww. That has more than a hint of incel whine to it. (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:10 AM

6. My thoughts exactly..

....then again I hate the Beatles so it doesn't take me much to leap to the worst notions about them.

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Response to doompatrol39 (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:39 AM

8. I love the Beatles, and they were no alt-righters, that's for sure! (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:09 AM

12. Incel? How? I don't see it

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #12)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 09:23 AM

13. The song is classic. The joke in the OP not so much. (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #13)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:41 PM

14. Oh, I thought you meant the song was an incel whine. I misunderstood. Sorry

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #14)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 01:54 PM

15. No worries! The song is, like so much of their work, pure art :) n/t

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:38 AM

3. Many Beatle analysts

Think the hidden meaning of the song is “you’re an idiot and if you don’t patch it up with her I’m asking her out.” The follow-up song is “You’re Gonna Lose That Girl”. They also think John is largely responsible for the lyrics in this one (and definitely in “You’re Gonna Lose That Girl”).

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Response to Freddie (Reply #3)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:55 AM

5. John's love songs often had some level of doubt, Paul's were more frequently "sunny."

John was powerfully influenced by songwriters like Arthur Alexander ("Anna", and that surfaced in songs like "This Boy."

Easily the most powerful track on "Rock & Roll," his final album before that 5-year long era in the Dakota prior to "Double Fantasy," was his cover of Ben E. King's "Stand By Me." It's the perfect cover tune to match the Lennon songwriting style...optimism shrouded in turmoil.

John wrote songs like "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away," Paul wrote songs like "Good Day Sunshine."

When they met in the middle with their songwriting, that's where the magic happened. For the most part, their post-Beatles recollections of who wrote what have matched, for the most part. Even on a song like "Yesterday," which was 100% Paul...written by him, performed by him, no Beatle involvement...when he sings lines like "There's a shadow hanging over me," you imagine that if Lennon had approached the same subject matter, it would been closer to one of the "primal scream" songs on that first Plastic Ono Band album. The irony, of course, is that Paul came up with "Helter Skelter," which some people credit as being one of the first heavy metal songs.

No easy way to put those lads in a box when it comes to defining their individual and collective styles.

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Response to Miles Archer (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:32 AM

7. I agree completely on the cover of "Stand By Me"

John brought a rawness to the song that was his own perspective while still paying homage to the original.

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Response to Miles Archer (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 07:53 AM

9. "Can't Buy Me Love" by Jonathan Gould

Is a truly fabulous book of analysis of their music and putting the songs in the context of the times. Also a perspective of England at the time, some things about their music that we Yanks didn’t get. I have dozens of books about the Beatles and can’t recommend this one highly enough.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:09 AM

10. I've heard good things about that book...thanks for the recommendation

i wouldn't over-simplify the underpinnings of Lennon and McCartney's individual and collective songwriting styles, but I'd say that McCartney was fully committed to the "craft of songwriting," while Lennon viewed it as more of a means to an end, a channel of expression.

Case in point...Lennon often wrote songs that were every bit as "crafted" as McCartney. The most stunning aspect of "Double Fantasy" was that he had returned to a more "Beatlesque" version of songs. After his five year absence following an album of cover songs and the infamous "Lost Weekend" in Los Angeles, there was little hope that he'd return with anything significant. And, he did.

But "the moment" often took precedent over fine-tuning the end result. The best example would be "Instant Karma," an idea he had in one day, followed by a call to the musicians and the final product complete by the end of the day. Then there was the famous / infamous "Some Time In New York" album, often derided as the least of his works, with the less-than-polished Elephant's Memory as his backing band, and a set of songs that went for an immediate political gut-punch.

With McCartney, the word "slight" often appears in reference to his solo work...albums like the first Wings album, "Wild Life," and primitive pop ditties like "Mumbo" and "Bip Bop." The best moment had to come when he wrote "Silly Love Songs" in response to the assertion that his main interest was writing...silly love songs.

But every time one tries to "define" their styles, they offer something to crush the logic. McCartney released "My Brave Face," the most Beatles-saturated song of his solo career, at a time when the marketplace was flooded with Beatles "tributes" and Beatles-influenced bands. He took heat for it, and his response was "If there's anyone entitled to write a song that sounds like The Beatles, wouldn't that be me?"



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Response to Miles Archer (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 08:53 AM

11. McCartney's post-Beatles work

Was unfortunately not as consistent as his Beatles stuff, but there is much brilliance there. I think he’s under-appreciated as a solo artist.
“My Brave Face” was a collaboration with the equally gifted (IMO) Elvis Costello. Unfortunately their partnership was short-lived thanks to Paul’s tendency towards polished perfection and (sometimes) over-production. “That Day Is Done” was a mostly-Elvis song and he hated what Paul did with it.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Mon Feb 11, 2019, 06:38 AM

4. Yeah. And now she won't even let you hold her hand.




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