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William Seger

(10,778 posts)
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 02:30 AM Dec 2018

Any snooker fans here?

I play a bit of 8-ball and 9-ball, but I never paid any attention to snooker until a few months ago when I watched some videos of Ronnie O'Sullivan scoring "maximums" (the maximum 147 points, which requires potting a red ball followed by the black ball 15 times and then running the six colors in sequence). O'Sullivan has scored a record 15 maximums in tournament play and an astonishing 986 "century breaks" (100 points in a single "visit" to the table). Now, I'm totally addicted -- such a fascinating game! -- and all the top players have incredible skills at potting balls in those narrow pockets and keeping the cue ball "on a string." I used to be impressed by professional pool players like Efren Reyes and Earl Stickland, but really, there are at least a dozen snooker players who are more impressive, and the fact that the game itself is more interesting makes it much more entertaining to watch.

25 years ago, 17-year-old O'Sullivan stunned the snooker world by winning the prestigious UK Championship, one of snooker's Triple Crown tournaments. Today, I've been hanging out on YouTube all day, watching each frame as it was posted, hoping Ronnie would win it for the 7th time, and he did! It was his 19th win in a Triple Crown tournament, surpassing the legendary Stephen Hendry's record of 18, and his 34th win in a "ranking" tournament, only 2 behind Hendry. The 986 centuries far exceeds Hendry's 775, and he will likely reach 1000 this season. Very few snooker players remain competitive in their 40s, but O'Sullivan, who turned 43 this week, shows no sign of slowing down yet.

So, I hereby declare that it's official: Ronnie O'Sullivan is the Greatest Snooker Player Who Ever Lived!

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Any snooker fans here? (Original Post) William Seger Dec 2018 OP
Snooker tables are extinct in my corner of Iowa IADEMO2004 Dec 2018 #1
Don't care for her music Soxfan58 Dec 2018 #2
Big snooker fan here EarlG Dec 2018 #3
Here are two hours of highlights in glorious SD :) EarlG Dec 2018 #4
I had seen the last frame; yes, very famous match William Seger Dec 2018 #7
Yeah I chuckled during the video EarlG Dec 2018 #11
Yeah, but I wasn't exactly correct when I said he "hasn't slowed down" William Seger Dec 2018 #12
The re-match! Byronic Dec 2018 #13
Haha -- another legendary frame! (n/t) William Seger Dec 2018 #14
Big fan...n/t bluecollar2 Dec 2018 #5
Love it. KatyMan Dec 2018 #6
LOL, but it seems that color TV is what made snooker so popular William Seger Dec 2018 #9
I can't make heads or tails out of snooker. Aristus Dec 2018 #8
The rules are a bit more complicated than 8-ball and 9-ball William Seger Dec 2018 #10

EarlG

(21,947 posts)
3. Big snooker fan here
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 08:09 AM
Dec 2018

I grew up in the UK. Used to love watching snooker way back when but lost track of it here in the US in the pre-streaming days when you couldn’t watch it on TV. I used to play as a youngster but wasn’t that good, not sure I ever made a break higher than 30. Pros like Ronnie O’Sullivan make it look so easy — it is not! Learning snooker did make pool much easier when I first started playing in the US. In comparison to snooker the tables are tiny and the pockets are enormous!

I don’t know if you’ve stumbled across it yet but perhaps the all-time classic match is the 1985 World Championship final between Steve Davis (then-champion and dominant snooker force) and Dennis Taylor (the challenger). If you can find the whole match on YouTube then watch it, but if you can only find the last few frames, watch those. It went on into the middle of the night and was one of the highest-rated TV events in UK history.

EarlG

(21,947 posts)
4. Here are two hours of highlights in glorious SD :)
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 08:23 AM
Dec 2018

Last edited Mon Dec 10, 2018, 04:50 PM - Edit history (1)



Scratch what I said about it being one of the all-time classic snooker matches — it’s probably one of the all-time greatest sporting events, period.

Snooker is not just a skill game, it’s an intense mental challenge (especially at this level). These guys’ brains must have been exploding after this!

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
7. I had seen the last frame; yes, very famous match
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 12:53 PM
Dec 2018

... one reason being the drama of going to the last black and the other being the record £60,000 prize. Davis and Taylor both do BBC commentary now, and I think they both agree that the level of competition went up a notch in 90s when players like Stephen Hendry, John Higgins, Mark Selby and O'Sullivan came along. So has the number of tournaments and the prize money -- O'Sullivan won £170,000 for yesterday's win, and first prize in last year's World Championship was £375,000. American pool players can only dream of prizes like that, not to mention the immense popularity; most Brits will probably instantly recognize the top snooker players.

EarlG

(21,947 posts)
11. Yeah I chuckled during the video
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 04:48 PM
Dec 2018

when David Vine mentioned the enormous $60,000 prize, it doesn’t seem like much by today’s standards.

That last frame always blows my mind, knowing what they went through to get there, that Taylor was down 0-7 after the first 7 frames, that the World Championship went down to the last black of the last frame, that the last frame was the longest of all 35, it was well past midnight and there were still more than 18 million people watching... the pressure must have just been mind-blowing and you can see it as they both screw up winning shots on the final black. Amazing stuff.

The flip side to that would be one of Ronnie O’Sullivan’s record breaking five-minute 147s, where he looks like he’s just out for a gentle stroll in the park. Bang bang bang hey where’d all the balls go?

That guy is a genius.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
12. Yeah, but I wasn't exactly correct when I said he "hasn't slowed down"
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 06:20 PM
Dec 2018

These days, a 147 takes him 7 or 8 minutes. Yeah, it was that 5-minute maximum that hooked me on the game. Other players have the skill to do it, of course, but it's just mesmerizing watching Ronnie's break building, taking shots you didn't expect and then seeing why, getting out of position occasionally but then making a tough pot to recover, and making everything look so easy. Then there was the time he was working on a good 147, obviously having fun after he secured the frame, and he asked the referee what the bonus was for a maximum. When the referee said is was "only" £10,000, Ronnie deliberately shot a pink instead of the black, actually a harder shot, then cleared to finish with a 146. Definitely snooker's favorite entertainer!

Byronic

(504 posts)
13. The re-match!
Tue Dec 11, 2018, 11:11 AM
Dec 2018

I remember the Davis v Taylor 1985 final really upset me as a young lad. I was 6 at the time, and was a big fan of Steve Davis. I thought he won every match! I also remember sneaking downstairs to watch that final without my parents knowing, with the result that I fell asleep in school the next day. My attempts to blame Denis Taylor were brushed aside by my teacher.

Always retained an affection for Davis. Here is the hilarious re-match they did a few years ago:

KatyMan

(4,190 posts)
6. Love it.
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 11:39 AM
Dec 2018

There's only one table in Houston that I know of (I'm sure there are more) so I don't play.
we lived in the UK for a number of years and I loved loved loved watching snooker on TV. I could (and did) watch it all day.

Funny--we also lived in Ireland and I had a friend there who said in the 70s when color TV started gaining ground in Ireland, his grandmother couldn't follow snooker since she was so used to watching in B&W, so they would turn the color off for her when it was on (for youngsters, you usetacould do that to tv's. Probably still can I suppose...).

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
9. LOL, but it seems that color TV is what made snooker so popular
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:38 PM
Dec 2018

Before that, it was really hard to tell what was happening.

Aristus

(66,325 posts)
8. I can't make heads or tails out of snooker.
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:37 PM
Dec 2018

Pocket billiards is easier to understand. IMO, there has to be a place for the balls to go...

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
10. The rules are a bit more complicated than 8-ball and 9-ball
Mon Dec 10, 2018, 01:56 PM
Dec 2018

Last edited Mon Dec 10, 2018, 02:47 PM - Edit history (1)

... which is one of the things that make snooker more interesting. The game starts with a triangle of 15 red balls and 6 balls of other colors on assigned spots. You have to shoot a red ball first, and if you pot it, you can shoot any available color ball. The red ball is worth 1 point and it stays down. The color balls are worth 2 to 7 points, in the order of yellow, green, brown, blue, pink, and black. As long as there are red balls left on the table, potted color balls are re-spotted, and you have to shoot a red ball first again. When all the reds are gone, you have to shoot the color balls in exact order. That's basically it, except for various rules for fouls, which score points for the opponent. The frame doesn't necessarily go all the way to such a "clearance" though: the winner is the player who has the most points, so frames are generally decided as soon as one player is too far behind to win, and he will graciously concede if he gets another turn. If he's only a few points behind, though, he may choose to play on, hoping for a "snooker" -- leaving the opponent no direct shot on the next object ball and winning 4 points for a foul if he misses, and the possibility of making him repeat the shot and scoring 4 points every time he misses. John Higgins once famously played on when he needed 4 snookers (and all the remaining balls) to win, and everyone thought he just wanted to get a few more shots in to get used to the table before the next frame. However, he actually did get 4 scoring snookers and went on to win.

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