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Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:27 PM

Why is it we can't have real variety shows like the Ed Sullivan Show these days?

Just people performing for our entertainment. No washed up judges. No buzzers. No stupid X's.

Can Americans do anything without turning it into a fucking competition?

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Reply Why is it we can't have real variety shows like the Ed Sullivan Show these days? (Original post)
Jake Stern Jul 2018 OP
lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #1
madaboutharry Jul 2018 #2
unblock Jul 2018 #3
rownesheck Jul 2018 #4
Duppers Jul 2018 #11
JPK Jul 2018 #26
John Fante Jul 2018 #5
Jake Stern Jul 2018 #8
Aristus Jul 2018 #13
Jake Stern Jul 2018 #14
Rhiannon12866 Jul 2018 #16
MissMillie Jul 2018 #18
Jake Stern Jul 2018 #19
Brother Buzz Jul 2018 #24
defacto7 Jul 2018 #31
pwb Jul 2018 #6
elfin Jul 2018 #7
MissMillie Jul 2018 #17
onlyadream Jul 2018 #21
Floyd R. Turbo Jul 2018 #9
msongs Jul 2018 #10
crazycatlady Jul 2018 #23
Grammy23 Jul 2018 #12
Jake Stern Jul 2018 #15
Aristus Jul 2018 #25
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #40
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #20
onlyadream Jul 2018 #22
Jake Stern Jul 2018 #30
PoliticAverse Jul 2018 #27
volstork Jul 2018 #28
TexasBushwhacker Jul 2018 #33
Freddie Jul 2018 #29
red dog 1 Jul 2018 #34
defacto7 Jul 2018 #32
red dog 1 Jul 2018 #35
llmart Jul 2018 #37
red dog 1 Jul 2018 #39
red dog 1 Jul 2018 #36
Snellius Jul 2018 #38
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #41
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #42

Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:29 PM

1. nobody has a "really big shoe" these days.

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Response to lapfog_1 (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:31 PM

2. Very good.

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:33 PM

3. good idea! try out for shark tank and see if they like it!

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:37 PM

4. Stop watching shows like that.

In fact, when i look at most things that are "popular" on tv, i see how we ended up with dipshit as *president.

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Response to rownesheck (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 26, 2018, 10:33 PM

11. Isn't that the truth!

With the exception of MSNBC, some CNN, PBS, Nat Geo, science channel & a few sporting events*, my household does not watch ANYthing else.


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Response to Duppers (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:57 PM

26. This......nt

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:48 PM

5. Competition makes for compelling drama. It's the reason why

spectator sports remain so enduringly popular. No one knows the outcome, not even the participants.

Does anyone think "American Idol" would have become a ratings giant if they just showed random strangers singing cover tunes? Like it or not, the competition aspects makes these shows.

Besides, late night talk shows pretty much grabbed the baton from Ed Sullivan, and we have tons of them now. Opening monologue, comedy skits, interviews, a stand-up performance, a musical act. Thank you, goodnight.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 07:09 PM

8. One of my guilty pleasures is watching reruns of Lawrence Welk and Ed Sullivan on PBS.

Watching artists perform, not because they're trying to win a million dollars or a recording contract, but because they want to entertain.

I do agree with the idea that late night has largely taken over for the variety show.


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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:35 AM

13. Yeah, but for Lawrence Welk's music to be entertaining, don't you have to be, like,

eighty-five years old?...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:54 AM

14. Indeed

Maybe I'm an eighty five year old at heart

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:07 AM

16. I used to watch Lawrence Welk with my grandmother

I just loved The Lennon Sisters! There was even a series of books where they had adventures - I had those too! Good memories...


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Response to Rhiannon12866 (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:28 PM

18. my folks watched this every week

they let us watch pretty much whatever we wanted any other time, but when LW was on, we watched it.

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Response to MissMillie (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:42 PM

19. Was told it was my grandmother's favorite show

so much so that when Welk came on whatever you were watching went off!

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Response to Aristus (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:50 PM

24. Or a Mormon

I have it on good authority, they just love that good old wholesome entertainment.

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:51 PM

31. Yes, the wholesome delightsome young maidens

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 06:58 PM

6. The networks think we all want to relive gym class?

And dating .

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 07:06 PM

7. I miss the Carol Burnett Show

Variety with wit.

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Response to elfin (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:26 PM

17. +1

She and her cast were just too wonderful.

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Response to elfin (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:11 PM

21. Yep, that show was hysterical!

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 07:25 PM

9. Influenced a generation. First time I saw Presley, Beatles, the Stones. Loved Stiller and Meara

hated the French clowns!

Eddie, kissa me goodnight!

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Wed Jul 25, 2018, 09:15 PM

10. families dont watch tv together anymore. used to be all 4 of us watching the same

things together at home much of the time, thus variety shows appealing to a variety of family members.

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Response to msongs (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:37 PM

23. Many families don't even have a TV anymore

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Thu Jul 26, 2018, 10:41 PM

12. Something for everyone on Ed Sullivan's Show.


It ran from the sublime to the ridiculous. Roberta Peters followed by the guy spinning plates. But it was always entertaining and Sullivan made sure it was suitable for the whole family. If you don’t like the current act, hold on tight, something different will be up in 5 minutes. Topo Gigio, the Little Italian Mouse.

Gotta love it!

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:05 AM

15. "and Sullivan made sure it was suitable for the whole family."

That is a big part of it. Not ashamed to say my partner, our son and I watch The Waltons, a show I'd never even dreamed of watching before I became a parent.

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Response to Jake Stern (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:54 PM

25. 'The Waltons' was wholesome. And that has convinced a lot of people, including George H.W. Bush,

that it was an icon of conservative entertainment. The truth is, Earl Hamner, Jr. and many of the cast of the show, including Ralph Waite and Will Geer, were liberal activists.

I loved the show, and those opening credits with that elegiac trumpet melody...

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Response to Aristus (Reply #25)

Sun Jul 29, 2018, 10:49 PM

40. I loved the Waltons

And I think the show could be instructional for a people whose living standard is still diminishing. Thrift to the extreme. A cooperative family. And yet they were so rich, in enduring ways. Goodnight, Grandpa.

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:47 PM

20. Listen: just let me stay on your lawn long enough to give you some answers, okay?

Do you get over-the-air TV? You know, TV the way G*d intended it to be? I do. Even if you don't, you probably have Netflix or Hulu available.

Those old variety shows are out there. If the weather's right, I can get channel 13.2 in Baltimore, which is Decades. (I am in northern Virginia. Due to some quirk, TV stations in Baltimore are easier to get than TV stations in DC.) Decades shows reruns of Ed Sullivan.

Decades
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Programming

See also: List of programs broadcast by Decades

Decades relies primarily on programming from the extensive content library owned by CBS Television Distribution, which includes the pre-2006 Paramount Television library – which CBS had acquired as a result of absorbing Paramount's syndication unit in 2006 through its split from Viacom into a separate company – along with series from Desilu Productions, Bing Crosby Productions, Don Fedderson Productions, QM Productions, Spelling Television and Republic Pictures Television. Decades also carries series and movies from NBCUniversal, Warner Bros., 20th Century Fox, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Paramount Pictures, Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, Lionsgate, Sonar Entertainment, the Peter Rodgers Organization, Shout! Factory, The Carsey-Werner Company and the public domain.

In order to stand out from other "retro-TV" multicast services (such as MeTV and Antenna TV), the Monday through Friday schedule initially featured a block of programming based on a daily theme, with interstitials to highlight the theme. Each six-hour block of programming was repeated four times a day and typically included a feature film, episodes of theme related TV programs, and biographical programs featuring celebrities, actors and actresses, musicians, athletes, and public figures of interest. The theme blocks were bookended with Through the Decades, an hour-long program hosted and narrated by Bill Kurtis (who formerly served as an anchor for Chicago CBS O&O WBBM-TV and CBS News) that explores the events and news from a particular day or period in history, using archival footage that CBS owns via services such as CBS News and CBS Television Distribution's syndicated newsmagazine program Entertainment Tonight.

The network's Saturday and Sunday schedule features "binge" blocks of classic television series. Beginning on Saturday at 1:00 p.m. (ET), forty-two consecutive hours are devoted to a particular series, which is usually sourced from either the CBS Television Distribution library of shows or a show Weigel Broadcasting has a contract to carry (such as one of the shows it broadcasts on MeTV).

Airings of The Dick Cavett Show were added to the schedule February 1, 2016 within the daily themed block, as appropriate. Episodes from Cavett's late-night ABC talk show from 1969 to 1974 as well as his later interview series on PBS, USA, and CNBC were all made available for airing.

On November 1, 2016, a major change was made to the programming lineup, with the daily programming block reduced to two airings daily (one from mid-morning to mid-afternoon, the other in overnight) as the 2:00 p.m. to midnight (ET) time period was converted to a "daily binge" with a different show airing each day. During the month of November, a different "cop show" was aired each weekday; in December, sitcoms were featured, and in January 2017, shows that aired in 1957, 1967, 1977, 1987 and 1997 were featured.

A further shift in direction from the original channel concept came on December 5, 2016, when the network added two daily airings of the NBC series Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In, the first breaking the daily binge in half at 6:00 p.m. (ET) and the same show repeating at the conclusion of the binge time block. The themed block was also modified to include a daily airing of The Dick Cavett Show at the starting point of each day's block.

On January 2, 2017, the weekday schedule was further altered by the addition of back-to-back airings of two episodes of Ripley's Believe it or Not! at 5:00 p.m. (ET); it is followed by two separate episodes of Laugh-In at 6:00 p.m. and 9:00 p.m., Through The Decades at 7:00 p.m. and 10:00 p.m. (but without the associated themed programming), and a different episode of The Dick Cavett Show from the one in the themed block airing at 8:00 p.m. The "daily binge" then resumes at 11:00 p.m. until the daily themed block replay at 2:00 a.m.

The weekend "binge" schedule remained unchanged through the late-2016/early-2017 weekday changes.

As of 2018, Decades began airing a collection of series that had lapsed into the public domain: The Great Gildersleeve, Topper, The Bob Cummings Show, Life with Elizabeth, The Loretta Young Show and Annie Oakley.

Check to see if you can get it on your television gadget thingy too.

"elfin," in post #7, mentions Carol Burnett. I've seen that not too long ago on one of the OTA (over-the-air) networks (MeTV, Antenna TV, something like that).

HTH

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:15 PM

22. I think the OP is wondering why these type of shows aren't made anymore.

With a modern flare.

It’s true that the late night shows do this, in a way, but there’s nothing on prime time that is wholesome, good natured fun. Someone has to be voted out, or people have to conspire to stay on. What does this say about our culture? Even worse, we elected a reality TV star, who turned the white House into its own reality show! What have we become?

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:44 PM

30. Thank you

Reality TV culture has got us a reality TV president.

It also produced an attitude where if you ask for wholesome/family friendly/kid friendly entertainment people instantly peg you as a conservative religious nutjob.

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:57 PM

27. We do. It's called youtube and you choose which acts you want to see. n/t

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:00 PM

28. I heard that Neil Patrick Harris

had something in the works. May have fizzled out, though...

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Response to volstork (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 03:17 PM

33. I believe it already came and went

He did Best Time Ever on NBC in 2015. It only lasted 8 episodes.

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:01 PM

29. Read a biography of Ed Sullivan

Fascinating life. Started his career as a sportswriter.
Towards the end of the show he had real trouble finding entertainment "for everyone" or at least acts that would appeal to young people and not offend the oldsters. His favorite rock group was the Dave Clark Five because they were so clean-cut.
The show was his life, and he died only a year or two after it was cancelled by CBS.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 04:33 PM

34. Interesting!

I liked Ed Sullivan, (but I hated Topo Gigio)

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:57 PM

32. Times have changed...

but I hate reality TV.

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 04:42 PM

35. I miss The Steve Allen Show

The one he did in the 1960s, five days a week, from The Vine Street Playhouse.
He would have bizarre guests like Brother Theodore & Gypsy Boots.....Great show!

(I also miss The Dick Cavett Show, and The Gong Show)

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Response to red dog 1 (Reply #35)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 07:45 PM

37. One of my favorites was Red Skelton.

He could make me laugh just looking at his silly faces.

"Hey, Gertrude."

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Response to llmart (Reply #37)

Sat Jul 28, 2018, 04:44 PM

39. My favorite Red Skelton character was Freddy the Freeloader (a bum)

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 06:22 PM

36. Speaking of Ed Sullivan,

the Wikipedia article on him is very good.

It's a fairly long article, but well-worth reading if you have the time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Sullivan

Ed Sullivan was quick to take offense if he felt that he had been crossed, and he could hold a grudge for a long time
As he told biographer Gerald Nachman: "I'm a pop-off. I flare up, then I go around apologizing."

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 09:00 PM

38. Those old variety shows were the only thing on. And everybody watched it.

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 12:40 AM

41. check out the honeymooners....LOL

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Response to Jake Stern (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2018, 09:42 AM

42. You should have seen The Johnny Cash Show last night.

The Johnny Cash Show (TV series)

The Johnny Cash Show is an American television music variety show hosted by Johnny Cash. The Screen Gems 58-episode series ran from June 7, 1969 to March 31, 1971 on ABC; it was taped at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville, Tennessee. The show reached No. 17 in the Nielsen ratings in 1970.

History
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The show was canceled in 1971 in response to the Prime Time Access Rule, which eliminated a half-hour of network prime time programming from all of the major networks' nightly schedules. Cash's show was one of many that had strong rural followings that were canceled across the networks in what came to be known as the "rural purge."
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List of episodes
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{snip, but you owe it to yourself to see who he had on as guests.}

GetTV runs the episodes. I didn't watch it, but Neil Diamond was on, performing "Brother Love's Traveling Salvation Show." This was Episode 19, form the first season:

THE JOHNNY CASH SHOW — 10 CAN’T MISS EPISODES ON GETTV
by getTV Staff
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4. Season One, Episode 19 — July 29 10pm ET

Originally broadcast on February 11, 1970, this episode opens with Johnny’s “I Got Stripes.” Tammy Wynette sings “I’ll See Him Through” and the hit that made her a star two years earlier, “Stand By Your Man.” Johnny is joined by Neil Diamond for a medley poking fun at Neil’s Brooklyn roots and then Diamond does a barn-burning rendition of his hit “Brother Love’s Traveling Salvation Show.” Blues legend Ray Charles performs “I Can’t Stop Loving You” and “Take These Chains” and duets with Johnny on “Busted.” Johnny performs “Rock Island Line” and “Flesh And Blood,” the Statlers sing “One Song Away,” and the ensemble closes the show with “Roll In My Sweet Baby’s Arms.”

1970s Episode Guide for 'The Johnny Cash Show':

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