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Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:10 AM

Knowing what we know now, about the Russian hacking, does that shed any new light on the DU

Hack on election day? Was it directed by Putin? Any thoughts.

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Reply Knowing what we know now, about the Russian hacking, does that shed any new light on the DU (Original post)
Meadowoak Jul 2018 OP
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #1
applegrove Jul 2018 #3
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #5
applegrove Jul 2018 #6
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #8
applegrove Jul 2018 #10
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #11
applegrove Jul 2018 #12
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #14
applegrove Jul 2018 #15
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #16
bearsfootball516 Jul 2018 #19
applegrove Jul 2018 #32
LisaM Jul 2018 #26
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #36
LisaM Jul 2018 #38
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #39
LisaM Jul 2018 #41
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #42
Hoyt Jul 2018 #27
Raster Jul 2018 #30
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #37
Hekate Jul 2018 #17
wishstar Jul 2018 #33
Hekate Jul 2018 #34
AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #2
Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2018 #4
applegrove Jul 2018 #9
fierywoman Jul 2018 #7
demmiblue Jul 2018 #21
Meadowoak Jul 2018 #13
Hekate Jul 2018 #18
demmiblue Jul 2018 #20
PJMcK Jul 2018 #22
Meadowoak Jul 2018 #23
applegrove Jul 2018 #24
red dog 1 Jul 2018 #25
red dog 1 Jul 2018 #28
Raster Jul 2018 #29
MFM008 Jul 2018 #31
jpak Jul 2018 #35
Generic Brad Jul 2018 #40

Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:13 AM

1. Highly unlikely.

 

DU is a small blip and I can guarantee you itís not on Putinís radar.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:16 AM

3. It was on someone's radar. That is for sure. We did get russian trolls all over

Discussionist in the lead up to the 2016 election. So little sites were on the Russia's radar.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:18 AM

5. That's because DI is a RW cesspool.

 

ETA the hack wasnít very sophisticated, and was quite juvenile. Iíd suspect a jilted former user or some script kiddie from the cave/DI/freeperville.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:25 AM

6. Could easily have been Russia. A good intelligence operation would look juvenile as cover.

We Don't know but the Russians were here. They just figured out that if they spoke like Russians or alt fighters or right wingers they would get booted off. Any idea who masterminded jackpine radical lemming march off the DU?

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Response to applegrove (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:33 AM

8. Meh, we're a community of a couple thousand.

 

Yeah, 240,000 user registrations, but a SMALL fraction of them are active.

What they did with Facebook/Twitter/Reddit, that was their MO. A site with no real world impact? Why bother.

JPR was ďmastermindedĒ by a couple disgruntled BoBers who felt their right to call Hillary a c**t was being trampled on. Many were long time DUers.

Taking down our site for a couple days accomplished nothing.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:37 AM

10. We get much busier when there is news or an election. No doubt the growth of

Facebook, Twitter and Reddit over the years has taken traffic that would have come to us. But we are important. I see lots of stuff on the MSM that DU talked about before hand. We are ahead of the news cycle and though that does not mean they are following us it does not mean they are not.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:42 AM

11. I've been here awhile.

 

Facebook/twitter/reddit is where big political discussion happens. This is mostly an echo chamber for Democrats, which is cool. But itís a handfull of people (in relation to the US voting populace) and skews towards older demographics.

Weíre not that important.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:43 AM

12. Stop saying that. We are statistically significant group of democrats

(with a few trolls).

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Response to applegrove (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:46 AM

14. Saying what? That DU has no real world impact?

 

Itís true. I love this site, donít get me wrong, but itís no more influential on the real world than MyLesPaul.com

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #14)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:46 AM

15. Well you are wrong.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:49 AM

16. Ok. nt

 

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Response to applegrove (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:14 AM

19. I have to agree with Dr here.

DU is a great place to talk, but itís statistically irrelevant on a nationwide scale. Go ask 10,000 people if they have ever heard of DU and youíll likely get 0 saying yes.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #19)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:44 PM

32. Well we are ahead of the curb on the news. We'll have to disagree.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:27 PM

26. DU is generally ahead of the curve.

I think it's often ahead of Twitter. I don't bother with Reddit.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #26)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:33 PM

36. Ahead of what curve?

 

Iíve never ONCE come across breaking news on DU that was ahead of facebook/twitter/broadcast news.

This is a SMALL site of little consequence.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #36)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:59 PM

38. It's a decent-sized site, and I always see things here ahead of Facebook.

Sometimes things come here via Twitter, but I don't love Twitter; would far rather read a whole article. I don't care for Reddit. But I almost always see things here first.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #38)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:47 PM

39. No,it's a VERY small site that skews to an older demographic.

 

DU has never broken any major news. And I always find LBN to be at least an hour behind my facebook feed.

DU represents LESS than 0.1% (percentage based on number of registrations, not active posters) of the voting populace of the US. We are, statistically, insignificant.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 12:09 AM

41. I get it, you find it irrelevant.

Enough to say it over and over!

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Response to LisaM (Reply #41)

Wed Jul 18, 2018, 07:21 AM

42. I don't find it irrelevant, it IS irrelevant.

 

Facebook/twitter/reddit have billions of users. We have thousands. Statistically irrelevant.

Like I said, I love this site, but it's a small echo chamber, nothing more. To pretend otherwise is dishonest.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #6)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:31 PM

27. Not sure about Russia, but definitely someone with the intent to disrupt Democrats.

 

JPRs, white wingers in DI, Russians are all about the same.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #5)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:36 PM

30. 4-chan script kiddies...

...there was actually bragging about the hack about a week or so afterward.

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Response to Raster (Reply #30)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:36 PM

37. Indeed there was...

 

But evidence is useless when you have a delusion of grandeur conspiracy theory.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #1)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:45 AM

17. What I find interesting is that somebody cared enough to vandalize a well-constructed site...

...and all but destroy it. They tried hard to destroy us. Somebody had to care enough to do that--whether it was alt-right hatred or just a little demonstration on the side from one of Russia's hacking groups, I have no way of knowing.

It had the feel of someone saying: See how casually we can disrupt you?

Within the same period of time a Congressional hearing or meeting being broadcast on CSPAN was flipped to the RT newsroom. You know them, right? It happened the moment someone in the meeting said "Russia." How did that happen? Why? What earthly connection could there be between the two locations?

Again, that feeling of: See how easy?

It's not about inflating the importance of DU in the grand scheme of things, it's about America. All of our infrastructure is vulnerable. With apologies to John Donne, DU is only a part of the continent, a piece of the main -- but like CSPAN, the continent we are a part of is America.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #17)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:24 PM

33. CSPAN flipping to RT happened right when Maxine Waters was warning about Russia

Seems like it stayed on RT for close to 20 minutes and was never satisfactorily explained and certainly deliberate mischief .

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Response to wishstar (Reply #33)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:49 PM

34. Thanks for refreshing my memory. That was what made me believe DU's pain wasn't just mischief...

...or a bit of well-constructed vandalism by DU's opponents on the far-right.

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Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:14 AM

2. it absolutely is on putin's radar

look at the recent DU wiki page hack. This forum has been discussing treason for well over a year. I see no reason to believe our weren't russian hackers who did it to us on election day. I remember that day clearly and when I tried to access DU and couldnt, I immidiatey had a gut feeling that the election is being hacked and trump is gonna win.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:17 AM

4. What DU wiki hack?

 

You mean the wikipedia page that has been the same for the past 4 years?

The guitar message board Iím on has more users. We are a very small community with very little influence.

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Response to Dr Hobbitstein (Reply #4)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:35 AM

9. The russians were here. They could have done it. DU is obviously an important

Democratic asset on election day, when there is a partial blackout on political information and sites like the DU can keep the Democratic message alive. Someone republican or Russian went to much trouble to attack us. We matter. That is the message we should take out of it.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:25 AM

7. me too -- same gut feeling.

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Response to AlexSFCA (Reply #2)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:38 AM

21. It wasn't a hack... anyone can change a wikipedia page.

It was probably a knuckle-dragger from DI.

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Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:44 AM

13. I would definitely say that Russian intelligence used DU to find

Out what we were planning, what our fears were, and were we were vulnerable then took all that information and used it against us.

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Response to Meadowoak (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:49 AM

18. I should have responded to you directly -- see my post #17

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Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:29 AM

20. No, DU doesn't really have that much website traffic in order to be considered a good target. n/t

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Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 08:15 AM

22. Who cares?

The real threat from Russia is if they can affect vote counting and voter registrations. This is to say that there could be other cyber targets such as airlines, power grids and other public services. Those would have a national impact.

Knocking DU offline for a few weeks didn't have any effect on the 2016 elections. After all, all of us voted for Democratic candidates, right?



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Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 09:03 AM

23. DU is. Certainly a good resource, if you wanted to learn about Democrats, get inside their heads

And see what we were up to. I know there are other, larger sites, but these are the smartest. The other sites seem kinda shallow in comparison. Just my opinion.

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Response to Meadowoak (Reply #23)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 02:50 PM

24. Exactly. It is an insightful incubator of Democratic thinking. Otherwise why would it have

been targeted. Why are there troll armies here starting trouble all the time.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #24)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:26 PM

25. + 1

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Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:35 PM

28. Anything's possible.

Putin is as evil as Spanky, and hacking into DU wouldn't have been hard to do.

For those who doubt this, go check other, smaller websites to see the activities of Putin's troll army.

For example:
https://www.similarworlds.com
[You can "browse" without joining]

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Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:35 PM

29. DU was NOT a Russian hack...

...it was an effort by certain malcontents at 4-chan and Reddits the_Donald.

Sorry, DU conspiracy theorists... If it truly were Russian hacking, it would have been far more professional, which it was not. It looked like it was a product of a group of very smart 17-19-year-old script kiddies, little MAGA wannabes. Second, the professional Russian FSB/GRU hackers would NEVER hack something as insignificant (in the overall scheme of things) as DU. It would be a waste of Russian resources and leave the Russian infrastructure open to discovery.

Nope, that was a 4-chan special.

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Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 03:42 PM

31. You never know

But it was planned by someone.

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Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 07:54 PM

35. To my knowledge, the admins have never commented on it.

Other than progress on restoring DU.

I will not speculate - but I would like to think "they did the right thing".

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Response to Meadowoak (Original post)

Tue Jul 17, 2018, 10:27 PM

40. We were micro-targeted

They stirred up all the Hillary/Bernie nonsense to divide us and discourage some of us from going to the polls.

We are still being micro-targeted by some of their tolls.

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