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Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:40 PM

1905: "Los Angeles to Chicago in 45 Hours? Today It Only Takes 43!"

Belated anniversary: July 11, 1905, the Ride of Death Valley Scotty

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Los Angeles to Chicago in 45 Hours? Today It Only Takes 43!

July 11, 1905

The Scott Special, a train operated by the Atchison, Topeka & Santa Fe Railway, set a new speed record for travel between Los Angeles and Chicago. The Scott Special arrived at Chicago’s Dearborn Station at 11:54 a.m. – 44 hours and 56 minutes after the train had departed Los Angeles for a trek of 2,265 miles (3,645 kilometers) at an average speed of 51.1 miles (82.2 kilometers) per hour.

“The train was in excellent condition when it arrived, save the coating of dust and grime,” reported the Wisconsin-based Racine Daily Journal newspaper. “The crew was smiling and happy, although showing traces of the strain they had undergone.” In making the trip between Los Angeles and Chicago, the train broke travel records established by the Peacock Special in 1905 and the Lowe Special in 1903.

The person behind the historic run of the Scott Special was 32-year-old Walter E. Scott, for whom the train was named. Known widely as “Death Valley Scotty,” he had been a stunt rider for Buffalo Bill Cody’s Wild West Show.

Scott was without question a colorful character whose activities included some fraudulent mining schemes to gain a lot of money for himself. He was also a shameless self-promoter, and he saw the chance to break the train speed record between Los Angeles and Chicago as yet another opportunity to get himself on the front pages of the nation’s newspapers. Scott, therefore, helped finance the arrangements for his namesake train.

The train consisted of a baggage car, a sleeper, and a dining car, with a total of 19 locomotives used and exchanged along the way. Those on board the train as passengers included Scott; his wife Ella (whom he called “Jack”); and Charles E. Van Loan, a reporter for the Los Angeles Examiner.

For more information on the Scott Special, please check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Special and http://cprr.org/Museum/Scott_Special_1905.html.

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Reply 1905: "Los Angeles to Chicago in 45 Hours? Today It Only Takes 43!" (Original post)
mahatmakanejeeves Thursday OP
Moostache Thursday #1
lame54 Thursday #2
Moostache Thursday #3
lame54 Thursday #4
Ptah Thursday #5
jmowreader Thursday #7
Kaleva Thursday #6
hunter Friday #14
Kaleva Friday #16
mahatmakanejeeves Friday #10
Moostache Friday #15
DFW Thursday #8
ProfessorGAC Friday #11
malthaussen Friday #12
HeiressofBickworth Thursday #9
mahatmakanejeeves Friday #13
HeiressofBickworth Saturday #17

Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:57 PM

1. This is one of our great national disgraces (among the many...)

The lack of a high-speed rail corridor running from hubs in Minneapolis, Chicago, St. Louis, Memphis and New Orleans to hubs in Santa Fe, Denver and Billings or Helena then connecting to the West Coast and terminating in Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, and Los Angeles is a tragedy. A series of regional high-speed corridors would complete a national rail travel grid and kill off the airline businesses for all but essential air travel - or until we could devise additional alternatives.

Our near total reliance on air travel to bridge the distance from the Midwest to the Pacific after 150 years of railways being first available is pathetic. Mag-lev and bullet trains should make transcontinental air transportation irrelevant 50 years ago, yet we have... NOTHING.

A sane nation, one bent on continuing its national dominance instead of the enrichment of its criminal ruling class would have things like a national transportation grid, a national electrical grid (being fed power from all sources and focusing on renewable sources), a national healthcare system and a national education system that ensures the opportunity for EVERY QUALIFIED STUDENT to gain an undergraduate degree for no cost and to attain graduate degrees for a commitment to national service and no debts.

We do not live in a sane nation. We are actually quite insane at the moment...have been for far too long as well.

Make America Sane Again.
There is the fucking slogan to use against Trump and his idiot brigade.

Make.
America.
Sane.
Again!

Blue hats.
White lettering.

To work though, we need Democratic leadership and candidates to ALL embrace this message and this plan. A nation dedicated to the use of its resources to improve the lives of its citizens and to ensure that being "American" means something more for ALL than it does currently for only the very privileged few...

Make America Sane Again.

We went to the fucking moon to show the world what we could do 50 years ago...in the intervening 50 years we have totally lost the plot and our national grip on reality and sanity.

Make America Sane Again.

The speeches and campaign rallies write themselves after you embrace this motto and outlook...there IS a better future out there, IF we can get people to stop being mislead and actually start leading them and the world once more.

Make America Sane Again.

Yes. I DO mean to imply that Donald Trump and ALL of his supporters are in fact insane. There is ample evidence of this everywhere around us. Start using it!

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Response to Moostache (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:04 PM

2. Say MASA a few times and hear why this...

Is a horrible acronym

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Response to lame54 (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:06 PM

3. Only if you allow it to be co-opted...

How many times did Trump say "MAGA"? Damn near never if ever...

Make the opposition say it.
They want to anyway.

Allow them to tar and feather themselves with racist hate and messaging.
I would DARE them to use the "MASA...MASA...MASA" chant.
Go ahead punks, make my day.

Democrats also need to stop worrying about everything being offensive...the intent of the people who would use such negatvie connotations should not determine our ability or desire to counter it. We MUST stop being so goddamn afraid of everything collectively. We're in a fist fight, not a pillow fight.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:09 PM

4. Mistake...

Remember - they came up with the term teabagger

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Response to Moostache (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 01:21 PM

5. massah

massah
Originally used by slaves to address their fiendish masters on the plantations, today, "massah" is used to address someone behaving in an obstinately bossy manner, especially if you think it's not their place to do so.
Wife: "Today I need you to go shopping, mow the lawn, wash the car, comb the dog, clip the cats' claws etc..."

Husband: "Yes massah"

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=massah

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Response to Ptah (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 04:45 PM

7. Oh...

I thought you were referring to tortilla dough.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 03:10 PM

6. The greater the distance, the less economicaly competitive high speed rail becomes

There's about a 90% increase in cost from building a line that handles trains traveling 155 mph to one that handles trains traveling close to 220 mph.

" The OECD, a rich-country think-tank, reckons it costs 90% more to build lines for trains that reach 350kph than it does to lay ones that allow speeds of 250kph."

https://www.economist.com/china/2017/01/13/china-has-built-the-worlds-largest-bullet-train-network

A national railroad grid that support passenger trains traveling at about 110 mph connected to relatively short run high speed corridors may be the better answer.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 12:42 PM

14. The great advantage of trains over planes is that trains can be powered by electricity.

Trains are not necessarily dependent upon fossil fuels, or in the case of a no-fossil-fuels economy, expensive synthetic fuels.

On the other hand, the steel and concrete infrastructure trains require has a high energy cost, over 150 tons of steel per kilometer of track, not including bridges, overhead lines, and such. Steel and concrete are generally made with coal.

For comparison, a Boeing 747 holds about 165 tons of fuel, most of that weight carbon.

In the long run we could reduce carbon dioxide emissions by replacing short airline routes with convenient downtown-to-downtown high speed rail.

(This is just rough back-of-the-envelope google math.)

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Response to hunter (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:23 PM

16. High speed excels where the run is relatively short and the volume high

The Boston-New York-Philadelphia-Washington D.C. corridor would be well served by high speed rail. The current traffic volume is so high that it would be economically feasible to invest the money into high speed rail there.

In China, where the building of high speed rail lines across the nation is a top priority, there is growing debate about the wisdom of such a program.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:48 AM

10. How many people are going to Helena?

Last edited Fri Jul 13, 2018, 02:08 PM - Edit history (1)

Even back in the day, Helena was on the route taken by the lesser of Northern Pacific's two transcontinental passenger trains the Mainstreeter. The North Coast Limited took the line with more passenger traffic

Both the North Coast Limited and the Mainstreeter went over the Bozeman Pass, but beyond Bozeman (westbound), they split up, at Logan. The North Coast Limited served what used to be the biggest city in Montana, Butte, while the Mainstreeter took the route through Helena. The lines reconnected at Garrison. West of Missoula, there was another split, but I think the passenger trains went through Evaro rather than Alberton. The timetable shows no stops for the North Coast Limited between Missoula and Paradise, where the lines came back together.

The North Coast Limited





A panoramic publicity scene of Northern Pacific's flagship "North Coast Limited" taken west of Missoula, Montana.

{I don't think so. This looks a lot more like the Bozeman Pass than the terrain west of Missoula.}



Northern Pacific's "North Coast Limited" at Livingston, Montana.


Butte has been surpassed in population by Billings. There is no passenger service through Billings, though it was once on an Amtrak route.

The extremely handsome livery is the work of Raymond Loewy. See: Raymond Loewy Under Attack!

More: Northern Pacific North Coast Limited, 1954-1967

Here are some pictures taken along the old route: Northern Pacific Gallery

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 01:35 PM

15. Just figured a stop or hub in Montana would be appropriate to reaching the Pacific Northwest is all.

Any town in Montana would be as good as another and ultimately, geography and ease of access would be the bigger factor in selecting one...but my main point was the nation has long since decided that we are no longer interested in big audacious projects like the Interstate Highway system, the Marshall Plan, the Mercury and Apollo programs...we have quit and instead of seeking ways to make the nation as a whole better, we cater to the financial whims a very small ruling class who could care less about the lives of anyone not sitting next to then at the country club.

Make America Sane Again is just another way of trying to say we are lost and need to find our way back to the actual things that made this (at one time anyway) the last best hope of the free world.

We are capable of so much more than we are doing now and its what tears me up. We're steaming headlong into disaster and instead of taking the keys away from the drunks, we found the one who is least conscious and put him behind the wheel...just makes me want to curl up in a dark room and cry...

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:21 PM

8. If you take United Airlines

I can easily see it still taking longer than 43 hours....................

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Response to DFW (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:51 AM

11. Where's My Snare Drum?

Good one, DFW!

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Response to DFW (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 11:26 AM

12. +1



-- Mal

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:42 PM

9. Death Valley Scotty

Haven't given him a thought in years!!! One of the more interesting places I've visited was Scotty's Castle in Death Valley. It was 1976! I had recently returned from living in Australia. One of my US friends who was also in Australia for a while and three of our Ozzie friends did a road trip down the west coast, across to Arizona, Grand Canyon and across Death Valley. The Castle was quite a surprise. Out in the middle of absolutely nowhere!

P.S. Just googled Scotty's Castle only to find that it is closed to the public until 2020 due to flooding. I recommend looking at the website just to see the castle. http://digital-desert.com/a/death-valley/scottyscastle/gallery.html

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Response to HeiressofBickworth (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 11:48 AM

13. Flooding? In Death Valley?

I thought they got something like 0.01" of rainfall per year.

I could be wrong. There's a first time for everything.

Thanks for writing.

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Response to mahatmakanejeeves (Reply #13)

Sat Jul 14, 2018, 11:28 PM

17. Climate Change? Just guessing

On October 18, 2015 the Death Valley area was hit by a significant rain storm, receiving nearly 3 inches of rain as the storm stalled over the Grapevine Canyon area for five hours. Flash flooding struck Scotty's Castle, leaving mud and debris stacked along the perimeter of the structures, up to a foot high inside the visitor center, and the access road to the property was destroyed. The flood caused the property to be closed for an extended period of time while repairs to the property are carried out and a new access road is built.
www.wikipedia.org

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