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Wed Jul 11, 2018, 09:41 PM

Handmaids tale, season 2 finale

What the heck is June going to do now? She can’t go to the he Waterfords’ can she?

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Reply Handmaids tale, season 2 finale (Original post)
onlyadream Jul 11 OP
MissB Jul 11 #1
sinkingfeeling Jul 11 #2
JenniferJuniper Jul 11 #3
marlakay Jul 11 #4
JenniferJuniper Jul 11 #5
targetpractice Jul 12 #9
dewsgirl Jul 11 #6
onlyadream Jul 12 #7
targetpractice Jul 12 #8
onlyadream Jul 12 #10
targetpractice Jul 12 #11
JenniferJuniper Jul 12 #12
Solly Mack Jul 12 #13
onlyadream Jul 13 #14
Solly Mack Jul 13 #15
onlyadream Jul 13 #16
Solly Mack Jul 13 #17
TexasBushwhacker Jul 13 #18
Solly Mack Jul 13 #19

Response to onlyadream (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 09:51 PM

1. Clearly there is an underground

She’s going to go find her daughter Hannah. Nick will help.

“Don’t do drugs”

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Response to onlyadream (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 10:05 PM

2. I have the whole season to watch. Hope Hulu keeps it around.

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Response to onlyadream (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:06 PM

3. I knew Emily's new commander would

turn out to be okay when he was playing Itchycoo Park before the faux ceremony.

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Response to onlyadream (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:31 PM

4. If she goes back it will be hard to watch

Although every episode is hard to watch. In reality they would hang her on the wall.

I think it would be fun to watch her in underground helping others escape and going after her first daughter.

I wonder if they will take new baby to her husband in Canada, that would be awkward.

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Response to marlakay (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:51 PM

5. She has to go back to get Hannah out.

And so there can be a third season.

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Response to JenniferJuniper (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 02:27 PM

9. Yes...

Awesome season finale... I was flummoxed by June's choice at first, but then I thought the finale was sublime, because the reasons for a third season are...

1) Hannah;
2) Nick;
3) Fight the Republic of Gilead;
4) And most intriguing to me... Serena's redemption.

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Response to onlyadream (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:55 PM

6. Emily's commander(Bradley Whitford)?

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Response to onlyadream (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:10 AM

7. Also, I think Serena will change

She’s a strong woman, who somehow allowed and helped this dystopia to happen, but now she knows it’s not a good place for women and girls. She gave up “her” baby because she knows. And all she ever wanted was a baby.

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 02:23 PM

8. Yvonne Strahovski brilliantly played Serena...

Serana's redemption is a major MacGuffin for a third season.

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Response to targetpractice (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 03:07 PM

10. Yes, agreed.

All of the cast is brilliant, except for the guy who plays Nick (one dimensional and blah).

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 04:06 PM

11. Really? I want to marry Nick!

But, I admit I haven't paid much attention to his acting.

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:07 PM

12. Agree 100%

He was like a cardboard figure. The only really poor casting decision.

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Response to onlyadream (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 10:54 PM

13. I'm more Emily-centric. Kill the fuckers.

Kill'em all.

Serena Joy is a Trump voter who got exactly what she bargained for - exactly, precisely - and gets no sympathy from me.

The blood of thousands cover her hands. She's not the only guilty one - but she wasn't some weak individual who simply followed an overbearing husband. She wanted Gilead. She murdered people to get it. She took down a government and destroyed a country to get it. Well, deal with the perks now, sweetie.

Serena Joy's character arc isn't some uplifting story of hope, as if in her redemption we can find it in and for ourselves.

She's the enemy. Worse - knowing better - she still betrayed women.

Sure, Serena Joy is trapped - one of her own making - enslaving other women and reducing them into non-people - broodmares and slaves.

So she allowed - key word here - allowed - June to take Holly. So fucking what?

She thought of Holly as her child - and her child deserves better - but what about the children of econowives? What about Hannah? What about all the children ripped from their parents? What about all the other women? No, Serena Joy thinks a child that belongs to her deserves better - that children who are the property of other privileged wives deserve better. She's still thinking in terms of class and rank, about who is deserving and who isn't by her Gilead definition - had the council granted her request to teach the children of other privileged wives to read - Serena Joy would have gone back to being Mrs True-believer Waterford.


She was instrumental in setting up a system where women were raped repeatedly, where women were maimed and murdered.

Boofuckinghoo - she lost a finger to the patriarchy she worshiped. Suddenly life under theocracy isn't all that good because she feels its sting?

How many people lost their lives because of her and all the rest of the theocrats?

Fuck her and all the rest like her.

I'm with Emily - kill the wives of Commanders and kill the Aunts. Kill the Commanders (to include Lawrence - he gets no pass from me no matter how much he helps), the Eyes, the Guardians, the Angels - and all of the Sons of Jacob. Kill all who set Gilead in motion and all who profit from it and prop it up.

Let their god sort them out.

Blessed be the reaping, y'all.


I would have stayed to get Hannah out too. She'll go to Lawrence for help. He'll probably lie about Emily. Claim she ran away. Rank has its privileges and all that - as Waterford is fond of saying. Hannah will get out even if June never does. I'd still kill Lawrence - nothing he does will ever make up for what he brought about.

No fucking way would I call that child Nicole.


Yeah, I'm not a nice person. I can live with that.









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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 08:51 AM

14. Don't hold back now, lol 😝

I agree, Serena has whatever is coming to her for her huge part in creating Gilead.
By June renaming her baby, well, that just shows that June is a softy. But, when she put the hood on, her face morphed into a fierce warrior. I don’t hold much hope for June being a bad ass. She can be, but then she has her moments of retreat, after all she is just a regular mom caught up in this.

The close up shots of June and Emily are amazing.

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:52 AM

15. I think June will die.

Seems like that's where the show's writers are heading. To me, anyway.

After the finale, especially.

That would piss me off.

Maybe she won't. I feel a soft-sell coming though.

June stays and all the Hollys get out - Moira , Emily - even the second Holly. Hannah. The women more Holly than June is - fighters who can't not fight and won't fight on any terms but their own. June couldn't save her mom - but she can help save all the Hollys of Gilead.

June couldn't be Holly and they were often in conflict - and if the writer's want to somehow stress that Holly was an extreme and June is some sort of an ideal - then that's sexist thinking and one that does not belong heaped onto the primary female protagonist in the Handmaid's Tale.

June has her own kind of strength but that doesn't make Holly or Moira or Emily extremes. Doesn't make them wrong.

The word handmaid, though never complimentary, can also be viewed as June not the handmaid of the Waterfords or how Gilead sees it - but as the handmaid to all the other women. June is the servant of Handmaids - she serves them by fighting for them. Her every act of rebellion and defiance, no matter how small, causes a crack in Gilead.

June has been a calming influence when needed and a facilitating force when necessary.

But if they kill June off as some sort of selfless mother-figure martyr, I swear the world will hear me scream.

Because for all the abuse and horror brought by Gilead, and the entire point of the book, the writers would be no different than the Sons of Jacob - reducing women to a sexist ideal of womanhood - reducing June to nothing more than her womb, her gender, her assigned role - as a mother sacrificing her life for those she loves. As if women have no higher value or can achieve no higher glory than the role of the momma bear, the self-sacrificing mother, the great nurturer who makes it all better.









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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 10:31 AM

16. Have you seen Frankie and Grace?

The last season the writers did such a disservice to older women. I swear, I wanted to bash my TV in! They better redeem themselves in the next season.

As for The Handmaids Tale, killing June, possibly in the very last episode, would be kind of predictable. However, June is narrating the story, but is it a recording or a diary that gets found? Or is she sitting in Canada telling her tale to the world?

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #16)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 10:49 AM

17. She's telling her part but that could be from a recording or written account.

I want June to survive but I'm getting the feeling she won't.

Yes, I watch Frankie and Grace and have issues with it as well. I enjoy the characters but...

The book is years after the fact and all evidence is written or recorded history - met with disbelief.



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Response to onlyadream (Original post)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 06:50 PM

18. A question for folks that read the book

Have seasons 1 and 2 covered everything that was in the book, or is there still more to cover in a season 3? It's not like THT was a trilogy. They jist seem to be stretching it WAAAAY out.

But anything that's not "reality" TV gets ppints in my book.

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Response to TexasBushwhacker (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:03 PM

19. The book ends June's story when she is carted off by the Eyes - Season 1 on the show

Then picks up 200 years or so in the future where people - academics - are discussing Gilead for like the 12th time spread over several years. The epilogue of the book.

Met with disbelief/doubt by some - not by all - they are reading/listening to June's story - which suggest she either got it out with her or someone got her story out and June died in Gilead.

Tapes were transcribed, no way to verify if the people even existed, or what happened to them even happened. They talk of how they can find no record of the people - the Handmaids, Marthas, various Serena Joys, Commanders - by name, etc..

They know Gilead happened - the revolt, the takeover - but all that is changed now...in the future. They know about the breeding program - but they can't - intellectually - verify each story. Or the extent.

June lived or somebody calling herself June lived. Bad things happened....but it was so long ago in a time no one living now can remember firsthand - that the bad is viewed with such a distance as to make it seem unreal and happening to a people they have nothing in common with or can truly understand.

Which I think is a major point of the story.

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