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Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:36 AM Jan 2018

Which Best Actor/Best Actress Oscar (TM) of the past fifty years was the least deserving?

So a few days ago, I posed the question of what film was the Worst Best Picture winner of the past 50 years.

So now I pose a more complicated question: Which Best Actor/Best Actress Oscar (TM) of the past fifty years was the least deserving?

This is a tricky question. The Actor/Actress awards are political (in the sense of industry politics). Some years, the wrong actor wins. Some years, the wrong actor wins to make up for a previous year. Some years the wrong actor wins what is essentially an award for a lifetime body of work.

An example from outside the timeframe: Elizabeth Taylor was nominated for three consecutive years and lost three times. The first year, she lost to Joanne Woodward for Three Faces of Eve (no one else had a chance); however in the subsequent year, when Taylor played Maggie in Cat on Hot Tin Roof, she lost to Susan Hayward in I Want to Live; the next year, both Taylor and Katherine Hepburn were nominated in the same film - Suddenly, Last Summer. Both went on to lose to Simone Signoret for Room at the Top. So, in 1960 Taylor finally wins for Butterfield 8 - not a great film, but she was good in it -- just probably not as good as Shirley MacLaine in The Apartment.

I'm not going to do survey form this time, because it's be like doing calculus. I'll give you two from 1967-2017 that I think are good examples. John Wayne for True Grit: I like Duke Wayne, but this was essentially a lifetime achievement award. The other would be Meryl Streep for The Iron Lady, which was essentially a make-up award for her not winning in 2006 (The Devil Wears Prada), 2008 (Doubt) and 2009 (Julie & Julia)

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Which Best Actor/Best Actress Oscar (TM) of the past fifty years was the least deserving? (Original Post) Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 OP
How about best supporting actress? Anna Paquin in The Piano. Binkie The Clown Jan 2018 #1
I didn't do Supporting because it's such a varied category Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #11
No doubt Anthony Hopkins deserved an Oscar for his performance John Fante Jan 2018 #2
Helen Hunt in "As good as it Gets" comes to mind... chelsea0011 Jan 2018 #3
Love Jack but pressbox69 Jan 2018 #7
Agreed... Docreed2003 Jan 2018 #31
Gwyneth Paltrow Lunabell Jan 2018 #4
Agree. And the movie was horrible Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #26
Ugh. Yes. Squinch Jan 2018 #33
Tom Hanks .. Forrest Gump. Ridiculous accent. I Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2018 #5
LOL Orrex Jan 2018 #13
Actors will tell you Hanks is one of the greatest actors of all time. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #27
Hmmm...not sure I saw the same thing you did. Loved Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2018 #60
Did you watch the clip to the end? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #66
Yes I watched it. No...I have no experience. I Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2018 #67
I was referring to while he is sitting down and she says that line about suit, his reaction without Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #68
He's a fantastic "everyman" Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #69
THANK YOU I also liked Crowne. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #71
He used the accent of the kid who played young Forrest underpants Jan 2018 #29
That's interesting..wherever he got it...it is Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2018 #59
Um... Docreed2003 Jan 2018 #32
Julia Roberts in Erin Brockovich CatMor Jan 2018 #6
Or just about anything! Phentex Jan 2018 #9
Believe it or not...thought she was brilliant in Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2018 #15
Yep. When she was still real. Iris Jan 2018 #45
think that was when she perfected the gawky, naive, working-class, Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2018 #55
Shortly after, there was a body double in Pretty Woman b/c her hips were too wide Iris Jan 2018 #58
Yes TuxedoKat Jan 2018 #63
My pick is pressbox69 Jan 2018 #8
It was a weakish year Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #20
Elizabeth Taylor won because she nearly died TexasBushwhacker Jan 2018 #10
Point taken, but I think she'd have won anyway. Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #12
Russell Crowe for Gladiator Orrex Jan 2018 #14
Gwenth Paltrow in Shakespeare in Love over Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth Upthevibe Jan 2018 #16
I'm torn about Paltrow Orrex Jan 2018 #17
That was just criminal. Cate Blanchett was phenomenal in Elizabeth and smirkymonkey Jan 2018 #44
Yes. It was criminal...I have friends now who STILL won't watch the Oscars because Upthevibe Jan 2018 #57
"Elizabeth" was such a bad movie, though. LisaM Jan 2018 #53
Agreed, but who should have won that year? Docreed2003 Jan 2018 #34
Didn't realize that Pollock was the same year. Orrex Jan 2018 #39
Too kind... uriel1972 Jan 2018 #74
Henry Fonda for "On Golden Pond" - Sorry, but he got that one for dying Bucky Jan 2018 #18
Agreed Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #19
John Wayne 1970. Floyd R. Turbo Jan 2018 #21
Wayne should at least have gotten a nomination for *The Shootist*, in 1976... First Speaker Jan 2018 #22
Also really good supporting work by Ron Howard and Jimmy Stewart Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #25
Agreed! MountainMama Jan 2018 #56
So were Voight, Burton, and O'Toole. Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #23
Right you are! Floyd R. Turbo Jan 2018 #24
Burton seems to me to have been a victim of unfortunate timing but I do think O'Toole got robbed 2X Midwestern Democrat Jan 2018 #73
I made a similar post about O'Toole that I can't find Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #75
1978 - Richard Dreyfuss - "The Goodbye Girl" Glorfindel Jan 2018 #28
He had the benefit of a weak year Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #51
He certainly was verbal in it. Maybe he got Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2018 #61
1993 Al Pacino "Scent of a Woman" underpants Jan 2018 #30
I love Scent of a Woman.... Docreed2003 Jan 2018 #37
Eastwood won Best Picture, and honestly I think he'd rather be recognized as a director/producer Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #50
Jodie Foster for her role in "The Accused" (1988) red dog 1 Jan 2018 #35
Sigourney Weaver never got the recognition she deserved from the Oscars Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #42
Sandra Bullock zipplewrath Jan 2018 #36
I think it was essentially an award for her body of work. Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #43
Emma Stone for LaLa Land Docreed2003 Jan 2018 #38
I saw about 20 minutes of Jackie on a plane Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #49
Its definitely worth a watch.... Docreed2003 Jan 2018 #54
Well, she won for Black Swan in 2011 TexasBushwhacker Jan 2018 #70
I think she was wonderful as Jackie. madaboutharry Jan 2018 #76
The biggest shocker ever had to have been Art Carney winning for "Harry and Tonto" in 1974. Midwestern Democrat Jan 2018 #40
Dammit! You beat me to it!!! Yavin4 Jan 2018 #47
John Wayne...... Tikki Jan 2018 #41
Art Carney in "Harry and Tonto". Thread over. I win. Yavin4 Jan 2018 #46
I think it was also ""the others are all young and will have many other chances" Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #48
Can't say that Sean Penn didn't deserve it for Mystic River Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #52
I have seen sideways many times...and you Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2018 #62
"The plan is ... you go" Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #64
Lol. So many good scenes!!! He managed Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2018 #65
Anyone who won their award starring in a biopic. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #72
Not getting that Algernon Moncrieff Jan 2018 #77
In most cases, the biopic performance is more about mimicry than acting. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author red dog 1 Jan 2018 #79
Charlton Heston in 1960 (for Ben Hur) red dog 1 Jan 2018 #80

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
1. How about best supporting actress? Anna Paquin in The Piano.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:44 AM
Jan 2018

She's a competent enough actress, and the Piano was a decent film, but I can't imagine why she won best supporting actress for her role in it.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
11. I didn't do Supporting because it's such a varied category
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 12:23 PM
Jan 2018

It's frequently awarded to longtime actors, but is also awarded to kids that captivated audiences.

The most bitterly argued supporting actress was the award to Linda Hunt in The Year of Living Dangerously. If you don't know the story, Hunt was called upon to fill the role of a male dwarf actor who died unexpectedly. The performance was amazing. However, Cher also gave an incredible performance in Silkwood. Film fans still argue over that one.

John Fante

(3,479 posts)
2. No doubt Anthony Hopkins deserved an Oscar for his performance
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:44 AM
Jan 2018

In "Silence of the Lambs".

Best SUPPORTING Actor.

chelsea0011

(10,115 posts)
3. Helen Hunt in "As good as it Gets" comes to mind...
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 06:52 AM
Jan 2018

she was nominated along with Winslet in "Titantic", Christie in "Afterglow", Dench in "Mrs. Brown", and Bonham Carter in "The Wings of the Dove". I didn't like the movie much and I think Nicholson also won the award that year. So, I guess what do I know.

Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
31. Agreed...
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 05:55 PM
Jan 2018

That was pretty much Jack playing an asshole for two hours...didn’t speak to me. Went back over the list from that year and maybe Matt Damon should have won for “Good Will Hunting”, the other nominees that year were kinda blah as well.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
5. Tom Hanks .. Forrest Gump. Ridiculous accent. I
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 07:53 AM
Jan 2018

Was actually thinking something by Meryl Streep ...but she has only won 3 out if 20 times nominated. Most overrated actress next to Julia Roberts

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
27. Actors will tell you Hanks is one of the greatest actors of all time.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 05:26 PM
Jan 2018

In one scene in "You've Got Mail" when Meg Ryan's character dismisses, insults Hanks' character, toward the end when she says "you are nothing but a suit", Hanks says nothing, no dialogue, but somehow expresses the emotion and facial and body language of every man who has ever been in that situation, striking out.

Meg Ryan is brilliant as well. And I mean she is one of the very very best ALSO!

Tom Hanks has not given a poor or even average performance that I know of.


Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
66. Did you watch the clip to the end?
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:30 PM
Jan 2018

If you are not experienced in acting you might not appreciate it the way actors do.

Scenes where the character is overly loud and obnoxious or angry etc, are much easier to do than scenes like this one. I am not a great actor at all but I do have some experience in it.

Which reminds me, time to watch some clips of this guy



 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
67. Yes I watched it. No...I have no experience. I
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:38 PM
Jan 2018

Am an analyst so my brain goes at it from a different direction. Not as much how he acted but that his action...walking away seemed incongruent. She was pretty much trashing him throughout the conversation and he was slinging it back. Then all of a sudden he walks away when she escalates. I know... beating a dead horse. My beef is probably more with the directing or script than the acting

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
68. I was referring to while he is sitting down and she says that line about suit, his reaction without
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:41 PM
Jan 2018

words, before he leaves.

Little stuff like that which is way harder to do than giving speeches, especially loud angry ones.

Anyway, go here and post a favorite scene of yours


https://www.democraticunderground.com/10181035786

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
69. He's a fantastic "everyman"
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 05:59 PM
Jan 2018

He's not a man's man in the sense of Gable, Flynn, Wayne, etc. But he's a guy's guy. I remember him in early roles like Bachelor Party, on through Volunteers (my 2nd favorite Hanks film), Joe vs. The Volcano (my favorite), and onward to the films like Philadelphia & Forrest Gump.

He has played a wide range of modern (WW II - present) American male roles well and convincingly. I'm not sure I could see him doing a pre-WW I period piece work. One of the reasons Cast Away works so well is that many of us can see ourselves in the role of office-dweller suddenly thrust into an endless battle for survival.

The funny thing about You've Got Mail is that it was not as well-received as Sleepless In Seattle at the time of its release, and many saw it as an extended ad for AOL. As time as passed, Joe Fox may have grown to be his best known and most beloved role.

I know many people aren't particularly fans of Julia Roberts, but a Hanks movie I enjoy that was overlooked was Larry Crowne. The tale of the displaced big box store worker who goes to community college to start over.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
71. THANK YOU I also liked Crowne.
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jan 2018

Hanks is one of the greatest actors who ever lived, period and one of the top 2 or 3 American actors of all time.

What he can do , range , etc., remarkable.

underpants

(182,626 posts)
29. He used the accent of the kid who played young Forrest
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 05:38 PM
Jan 2018

He didn't have a voice worked out before he got to the set. Talking to the kid gave him what he needed.

Phentex

(16,330 posts)
9. Or just about anything!
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:37 AM
Jan 2018

I never saw her as an amazing actress in any way until she did August: Osage County where she had to actually act.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
15. Believe it or not...thought she was brilliant in
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 01:45 PM
Jan 2018

Mystic pizza...very believable. After that and maybe pretty woman...a whole slew of crap.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
55. think that was when she perfected the gawky, naive, working-class,
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:45 AM
Jan 2018

wide-eyed persona with a mile-wide smile and giggle. Trouble is, it didn't translate to drama - where they tried to cast her. And, unfortunately, as life is, doesn't last with age.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
20. It was a weakish year
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:29 PM
Jan 2018

Streisand was more deserving for The Way We Were, but she'd recently won; Ellyn Burstyn was pretty solid in The Exorcist. The thing is I suspect most of the runners up from the prior year would have won in '74.

In 1973:

Liza Minnelli – Cabaret as Sally Bowles (Winner)
Diana Ross – Lady Sings the Blues as Billie Holiday
Maggie Smith – Travels with My Aunt as Augusta Bertram
Cicely Tyson – Sounder as Rebecca Morgan
Liv Ullmann – The Emigrants as Kristina Nilsson


Say what you will about Diana Ross, but she delivered an incredible performance as Billie Holiday, and Cicely Tyson was incredible in Sounder.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,144 posts)
10. Elizabeth Taylor won because she nearly died
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:10 AM
Jan 2018

She survived a near fatal bout of pneumonia in early 1961 and had a tracheotomy scar as a result.

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
17. I'm torn about Paltrow
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 02:11 PM
Jan 2018

Setting aside her ridiculous Goop craziness, I don't hate her the way much of DU does, and IMO she's turned in some fine performances. Shakespeare in Love shouldn't have won her the prize, though.

Having said that, I didn't really care for Elizabeth, either. Cate Blanchett is always fantastic, though!

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
44. That was just criminal. Cate Blanchett was phenomenal in Elizabeth and
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:01 AM
Jan 2018

Gwyneth is so mediocre in everything. Cate was robbed.

LisaM

(27,794 posts)
53. "Elizabeth" was such a bad movie, though.
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:48 AM
Jan 2018

Cate Blanchett tried, but that movie was more fictitious than "Shakespeare in Love".

Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
34. Agreed, but who should have won that year?
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 06:09 PM
Jan 2018

Hanks: Castaway
Ed Harris: Pollock
Geoffrey Rush: Quills
Javier Bardem: Before night falls

I personally thought Harris was exceptional as JP, Hanks was Hanks in “Castaway”, Rush and Bardem we’re also great in their roles. My personal preference would be Harris, but I think I’d be happier with anyone on that list over Crowe.




Orrex

(63,172 posts)
39. Didn't realize that Pollock was the same year.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 06:47 PM
Jan 2018

Terrific film, and terrific performances all around. Much as I enjoyed (the first half of) Castaway, Harris would have gotten my vote that year.

Bucky

(53,947 posts)
18. Henry Fonda for "On Golden Pond" - Sorry, but he got that one for dying
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:00 PM
Jan 2018

Fonda never winning an Oscar is an injustice. He finally got an Oscar on his deathbed, but it was in spirit a lifetime achievement award, effectively robbing either Warren Beatty (Reds) or Paul Newman (Absense of Malice) of deserved trophies.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
19. Agreed
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:23 PM
Jan 2018

Much as Newman's award for The Color of Money was a make-up award for Absence of Malice, The Verdict, and a host of other films.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
22. Wayne should at least have gotten a nomination for *The Shootist*, in 1976...
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 05:15 PM
Jan 2018

...his last film, and for my money, by far his best performance. He was actually acting in that film, not playing "John Wayne". He showed a tenderness, vulnerability, and a surprising intelligence as a dying gunfighter...

MountainMama

(237 posts)
56. Agreed!
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 03:54 PM
Jan 2018

If anyone says Wayne couldn't act, I point them to that movie and "The Searchers." His politics notwithstanding, the man could act.

"The Shootist" is an amazing movie and Lauren Bacall was lovely.

"Bond! That's a crackerjack name for a woman!"

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
23. So were Voight, Burton, and O'Toole.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 05:17 PM
Jan 2018

Of course, Burton and O'Toole were robbed many, many times at the Oscars.

73. Burton seems to me to have been a victim of unfortunate timing but I do think O'Toole got robbed 2X
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 11:22 PM
Jan 2018

Here were his Best Actor nominations:

1954 - "The Robe" - Burton's not that great in this (was the weakest nominee) and the movie itself is a POS
1965 - "Becket" - a strong year (Peter Sellers in "Dr. Strangelove", Peter O'Toole in "Becket", and Anthony Quinn in "Zorba the Greek" ), but just like Yul Brynner in "The King and I", the Academy could not resist giving Rex Harrison the award for a beloved stage performance in "My Fair Lady"
1966 - "The Spy Who Came in From the Cold" - Lee Marvin winning for "Cat Balou" was a disgrace, but Rod Steiger deserved the award this year for "The Pawnbroker"
1967 - "Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?" - Paul Schofield was really good in "A Man for All Seasons"
1970 - "Anne of the Thousand Days" - an OK costume drama; John Wayne got the "Lifetime Achievement" Oscar, but Dustin Hoffman deserved the award this year for "Midnight Cowboy"
1978 - "Equus" - a weak year for Best Actor and I don't really like this film - it would not have been a bad thing for Burton to get a "Lifetime Achievement" Oscar for this role.

Peter O'Toole on the other hand, did get legitimately robbed at least twice (blatantly so in 1969):

1963 - "Lawrence of Arabia" - was robbed this year - it was the best performance nominated.
1965 - "Becket" - see above for Burton for this year
1969 - "The Lion in Winter" - he was blatantly robbed this year; Cliff Robertson's performance in "Charly" was quickly forgotten
1970 - "Goodbye Mr Chips" - see above for Burton for this year
1973 - "The Ruling Class" - no one was beating Marlon Brando for "The Godfather"
1981 - "The Stunt Man" - De Niro deserved his win for "Raging Bull"
1983 - "My Favorite Year" - very strong year - Ben Kingsley for "Ghandi"; Paul Newman for "The Verdict"; Dustin Hoffman for "Tootsie"; Jack Lemmon for "Missing"
2007 - "Venus" - didn't see this film nor the film Forrest Whitaker won for, so really can't comment

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
75. I made a similar post about O'Toole that I can't find
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 03:04 AM
Jan 2018

RE: Forrest Whitaker - He gave a masterful performance as Idi Amin.

RE: 1963 - Peck was really strong in TKAM. I agree O'Toole was more deserving; I'm not sure it rises to the level of robbery.
RE: 1969 - I like Robertson in "Charley", but 1969 does rise to the level of robbery.
RE: 1983 - Nobody was beating Ben Kingsley. That said, the other performances in 1983 would have won Best Actor for any of those four in most other years. As much as I love O'Toole in MFY, I'd have given the Oscar (TM) to Newman for The Verdict

Glorfindel

(9,719 posts)
28. 1978 - Richard Dreyfuss - "The Goodbye Girl"
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 05:27 PM
Jan 2018

I loved the movie; thought it was hilarious. I also love Richard Dreyfuss, but his acting in "The Goodbye Girl" was just slapstick and gay-bashing. A terrible decision on the part of the Academy.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
51. He had the benefit of a weak year
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:21 AM
Jan 2018

Woody Allen for Annie Hall - it's really the same role he plays in every film

Richard Burton for Equus - I sometimes think it's held against you if you played the same role on stage. Realistically, it would have been a great year to recognize his body of work.

Marcello Mastroianni for A Special Day - I think he was rounding out the field.

John Travolta for Saturday Night Fever - In retrospect, he might have been the best pick.

Not nominated - Mark Hamill - Star Wars

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
61. He certainly was verbal in it. Maybe he got
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 11:07 AM
Jan 2018

It solely for remembering all the lines. Loved the movie too. One on my bingeworthy list. Daughter was great

underpants

(182,626 posts)
30. 1993 Al Pacino "Scent of a Woman"
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 05:43 PM
Jan 2018

They gave him a lifetime achievement award basically. Bland movie with Pacino really playing himself.

He didn't even say Hooah! correctly.

He beat out
Clint Eastwood in "Unforgiven"
Stephen Rea in "The Crying Game"
Denzel as Malcom X -- incredible performance
and Robert Downey Jr as Chaplin -- a jaw dropping performance. One of the best portrayals I've ever seen.

Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
37. I love Scent of a Woman....
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 06:20 PM
Jan 2018

It is easily in my top ten of movies, but I agree with your assessment. Gun to my head, I’d probably say Denzel as Malcom X but man is Downey’s performance underrated in Chaplin. Stephen Rea’s Performance is great as well. Finally, I like “Unforgiven”, but let’s be honest, if Pacino is gonna get knocked for playing himself in “SoaW” the same could be said for Eastwood in “Unforgiven”

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
50. Eastwood won Best Picture, and honestly I think he'd rather be recognized as a director/producer
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:11 AM
Jan 2018

Downey as Chaplin was a shocker. By 1993, we knew Denzel could act - that was a given. Downey had mostly been known for comedy roles -- no one saw that performance coming, and it.was.amazing. One of those two should have taken home the hardware.

red dog 1

(27,773 posts)
35. Jodie Foster for her role in "The Accused" (1988)
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 06:13 PM
Jan 2018

That year, either Melanie Griffith (Working Girl) or Sigourney Weaver (Gorillas in the Mist) should have gotten the Oscar, imo.

(Jodie Foster did deserve the Oscar she got for Silence of the Lambs in 1991)

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
42. Sigourney Weaver never got the recognition she deserved from the Oscars
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 11:23 PM
Jan 2018

I will say that was a tough year. Very competitive.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
36. Sandra Bullock
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 06:15 PM
Jan 2018

Blind Side

Not that it was a bad movie, or that her performance was lousy. It's just that it wasn't particularly extraordinary.

Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
38. Emma Stone for LaLa Land
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 06:25 PM
Jan 2018

Maybe I’m biased because I didn’t care for the movie, but I don’t think that was “Best Actress” worthy. For my money, Portman should have won for “Jackie”. That performance was absolutely haunting in its raw emotion. I thought she brought an element of authenticity and respect to the role and her dedication to capturing the personal side of Jackie is just amazingly gut wrenching.

Docreed2003

(16,850 posts)
54. Its definitely worth a watch....
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 08:36 AM
Jan 2018

Portman worked extremely hard to nail the public accent that Jackie gave in interviews and movies, as well as her actual “at home” voice. The emotion she was able to capture in that film was just gut wrenching. I still can’t fathom how she didn’t win Best Actress.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,144 posts)
70. Well, she won for Black Swan in 2011
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 06:04 PM
Jan 2018

So that may have worked against her. I liked her very much in Closer and V for Vendetta too, as well as The Professional.

40. The biggest shocker ever had to have been Art Carney winning for "Harry and Tonto" in 1974.
Mon Jan 22, 2018, 10:20 PM
Jan 2018

He beat Albert Finney in "Murder on the Orient Express", Dustin Hoffman in "Lenny", Jack Nicholson in "Chinatown", and Al Pacino in the "The Godfather Part II". I'm guessing that Nicholson, Pacino, and Hoffman must have split the vote pretty evenly and that's what allowed Carney to slip through.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
46. Art Carney in "Harry and Tonto". Thread over. I win.
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:45 AM
Jan 2018

He beat out: Jack Nicholson who was nominated for "Chinatown", Al Pacino, "Godfather II", Dustin Hoffman, "Lenny Bruce", and Albert Finney for "Murder on the Orient Express".

The only logical explanation is that those performances all canceled each other out and Carney won.

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
48. I think it was also ""the others are all young and will have many other chances"
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:05 AM
Jan 2018

Carney will likely never get a chance like this.

Agreed - a baffling pick.

Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
52. Can't say that Sean Penn didn't deserve it for Mystic River
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:27 AM
Jan 2018

But the fact that Paul Giamatti wasn't even nominated for Sideways was a joke. Add in that Jude Law was for Cold Mountain - doing one of the worst Southern accents I've ever heard - added to the diss.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
62. I have seen sideways many times...and you
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 11:12 AM
Jan 2018

Are so right ! Giamatti was flawless. He played down and out so brilliantly you literally want to grab him and shake some fun into him. When he and Church go to retrieve the wallet ...one of the funniest scenes I have ever seen.

Bradshaw3

(7,488 posts)
64. "The plan is ... you go"
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 12:37 PM
Jan 2018

"Me? Yes, just walk in and say my friend was the one balling your wife .. so sorry."

Good description of Giamatti's performance. He was great in American Splendor (probably should have won for that) and John Adams. Never seems to get his due.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
65. Lol. So many good scenes!!! He managed
Wed Jan 24, 2018, 02:13 PM
Jan 2018

To play the deep down friend mixed with the I do not approve of what you do so realistically. Think we all have friends like that..the charming ne'er do well. I happen to also love Church too..think he's enormously underated. He's on HBO show Divorce...now.

On thing I do not like giamatti in now is think HBO ...he's fbi or something? Bad show imho

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,781 posts)
77. Not getting that
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 11:37 AM
Jan 2018

There have been many incredible performances in Biopics. Ben Kingsley as Gandhi; James Whitmore as Harry Truman; Natalie Portman as Jackie K-O; Daniel Day Lewis as Lincoln.

Act_of_Reparation

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78. In most cases, the biopic performance is more about mimicry than acting.
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 12:08 PM
Jan 2018

The actor is judged by how accurately they present the subject's persona. It's the dramatic equivalent of the comedic impersonation.

I don't think this is necessarily the actor's fault, either. The biopic genre is generally derivative, boring, and unchallenging. The plots are simple, the beats identical, and the characters one-dimensional.

Also, I would not categorize Lincoln as a biopic. The movie was not about Lincoln or Lincoln's life. Rather, the film was about a single event, which I feel sets apart from and places it well above the average biopic. I remember Lincoln pretty well, but I couldn't recite to you a single line Colin Firth delivered in The King's Speech.

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red dog 1

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80. Charlton Heston in 1960 (for Ben Hur)
Thu Jan 25, 2018, 08:24 PM
Jan 2018

Either Jack Lemmon (Some Like It Hot) or Jimmy Stewart (Anatomy of a Murder) would have been a better choice that year.

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