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Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:09 PM

I just read the saddest news of my life. Pirates didn't talk like pirates. Arrrr...... NO!!!

http://io9.com/5842501/avast-mateys-it-turns-out-pirate-talk-is-based-on-lies-propagated-by-disney

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[font size="4"]Avast, mateys: It turns out "pirate talk" is based on lies propagated by Disney[/font]

"There isn't much in the way of scientific evidence in regards to pirate speech," says historian Colin Woodard, author of The Republic of Pirates: Being the True and Surprising Story of the Caribbean Pirates and the Man Who Brought Them Down.

In fact, according to this article by National Geographic's Ker Than, many of the pirate phrases we're all familiar with can actually be traced back to the 1950s Disney movie Treasure Island, starring Robert Newton in the fictional role of pirate Long John Silver.

"Newton's performance full of 'arrs,' 'shiver me timbers,' and references to landlubbers not only stole the show, it permanently shaped pop culture's vision of how pirates looked, acted, and spoke," Woodard told Than.

Woodard explains, "Newton based his pirate talk in the film on the dialect of his native West Country in southwestern England, which just happened to be where Long John Silver hailed from in the Treasure Island novel.

"In the English West Country during early 20th century, 'arr' was an affirmation, not unlike the Canadian 'eh,' and maritime expressions were a part of everyday speech," {Woodard} said.


This is what I'd've looked like if I was a privateer.

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Reply I just read the saddest news of my life. Pirates didn't talk like pirates. Arrrr...... NO!!! (Original post)
Bruce Wayne Apr 2012 OP
Kaleva Apr 2012 #1
JVS Apr 2012 #2
Bruce Wayne Apr 2012 #4
deucemagnet Apr 2012 #3
nolabear Apr 2012 #5
trof Apr 2012 #7
nolabear Apr 2012 #16
tanyev Apr 2012 #6
Iris Apr 2012 #8
unionworks Apr 2012 #9
underpants Apr 2012 #10
unionworks Apr 2012 #11
benld74 Apr 2012 #12
Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #13
Odin2005 Apr 2012 #14
Bruce Wayne Apr 2012 #17
Aristus Apr 2012 #15
AsahinaKimi Apr 2012 #18
Bucky May 2012 #19
derby378 May 2012 #20

Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:19 PM

1. So I was just looking like a fool the past few decades doing pirate talk?

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:47 PM

2. Wait, does this mean that the West Country is a part of the world where everyone talks like what...

we thought pirates talked like?

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Response to JVS (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:57 PM

4. Yes, in and around the town of (wait for it)

The town of Penzance!

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 06:52 PM

3. This be disappointin'.

Yar.

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:19 PM

5. They do once a year, and at Jimmy Buffett concerts.

And in their honor I shall post.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:26 PM

7. Homey!

Jimmy's sister, Lucy, has a big restaurant down here.
http://www.lulubuffett.com/index-live.php

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Response to trof (Reply #7)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 12:54 AM

16. You think I ain't been to LuLu's?

Fried Green Tomatoes with remoulade, staring at the Intercoastal and slurping a daiquiri. Last time was last summer though, so I'm way overdue.

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:20 PM

6. Awrrrr.

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:36 PM

8. I freakin' love the Lounge!

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:38 PM

9. NO WAIT!

 

You guys didn't read carefully! The dialect used in Treasure Island is from southwestern England, which IS REALLY WHERE LONG JOHN SILVER WAS FROM. THE DIALECT PROBABLY HASN'T. CHANGED MUCH, so that is probably what Long John sounded like! ARRRRRR!!!!

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Response to unionworks (Reply #9)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 07:57 PM

10. I thought Long John Silver was from the mini-mall in front of the Babys'R'Us

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Response to underpants (Reply #10)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:05 PM

11. Long John Silver

 

Last edited Thu Apr 19, 2012, 10:02 PM - Edit history (1)

...was a "fictional"character from "Treasure Island". He is the archetypical PIRATE, bigger than life and realer than real!


He was also a cool song by Jefferson STARSHIP and he fears no King....

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 08:51 PM

12. What about on National Talk Like a Pirate Day? I bet they did,,,,,

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Thu Apr 19, 2012, 11:38 PM

13. You mean, Monty Python got their pirate jargon from Disney?





Who'd a thunk it?

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 12:03 AM

14. The West Country dialect is one of the few English dialects that don't R-drop.

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Response to Odin2005 (Reply #14)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 02:03 PM

17. Are ye kiddin', ya bleedin' skrimshank? They be droppin' them Arrrs all oavar Davy Jones' lockarrrrr

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Fri Apr 20, 2012, 12:34 AM

15. More specifically, Long John Silver's accent hails from Bristol.

A major British maritime city.

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Sat Apr 21, 2012, 06:08 AM

18. Thought I would toss in this clip

of Robert Newton as Long John Silver.. and his colorful way of speaking..

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 08:38 PM

19. Yarr. Ye be keel-haulin' me heart, ye scurvey laden bag o' bones.

A pox on yer stately Wayne Mansion.

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Response to Bruce Wayne (Original post)

Fri May 4, 2012, 09:01 PM

20. Not that far removed from the ubiquitous horned Viking helmet

For which Wagner is eternally to blame. But damn, the Ring cycle is sweet.

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