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Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:18 AM

Andrew Sullivan on Hardball/ Why are Obama's critics so dumb?

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Reply Andrew Sullivan on Hardball/ Why are Obama's critics so dumb? (Original post)
Sky Masterson Jan 2012 OP
Sky Masterson Jan 2012 #1
stlsaxman Jan 2012 #2
The Wielding Truth Jan 2012 #13
ProgressoDem Jan 2012 #16
mucifer Jan 2012 #6
zipplewrath Jan 2012 #3
PA Democrat Jan 2012 #4
greiner3 Jan 2012 #7
PA Democrat Jan 2012 #8
SemperEadem Jan 2012 #14
PA Democrat Jan 2012 #15
SemperEadem Jan 2012 #26
PA Democrat Jan 2012 #27
SemperEadem Jan 2012 #29
JJW Jan 2012 #5
Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2012 #9
MNBrewer Jan 2012 #20
merkins Jan 2012 #10
Quantess Jan 2012 #11
Quantess Jan 2012 #12
xocet Jan 2012 #17
tclambert Jan 2012 #22
Quantess Jan 2012 #23
xocet Jan 2012 #28
MNBrewer Jan 2012 #18
RBInMaine Jan 2012 #19
bitchkitty Jan 2012 #21
cpwm17 Jan 2012 #24
BigD_95 Jan 2012 #25

Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:28 AM

1. On Anderson Cooper

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:41 AM

2. YEAH! THA'S what i'm talkin' 'bout!!!

Sullivan just slams Babe here...

Thanks for this one.. AND the OP!

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 04:42 PM

13. I agree!I am for Obama and his work towards a better country. He is better than anyone else running.

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Response to stlsaxman (Reply #2)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:02 PM

16. I watched that live and cheered.

Kick ass!

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Response to Sky Masterson (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:00 AM

6. They let the dem supporter have the last word. That's unusual.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:06 AM

3. why his obsession with the dumb ones?

Because he can't answer the smart ones?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/dear-andrew-sullivan-why-focus-on-obamas-dumbest-critics/251528/

But his Newsweek essay fits the pattern I've lamented of Obama apologists who tell a narrative of his administration that ignores some of these issues and minimizes the importance of others, as if they're a relatively unimportant matter to be set aside in a sentence or three before proceeding to the more important business of whether the president is being critiqued fairly by obtuse partisans.

Sullivan should reconsider this approach.

During President Bush's first term, Sullivan will recall the most unhinged attacks on him -- the comparisons to Hitler, the puppets burned in effigy, the comparisons to a chimp. There wasn't anything wrong with lamenting those attacks, just as there's nothing wrong with pointing out exaggerated and baseless attacks on Obama, which have spread through most of the Republican Party. But the priority put on rebutting the least persuasive left-wing critiques of Bush, and pre-election 2004 worrying about the flaws of the Democratic field, are part of what postponed the backlash against Bush's ruinous policies. The backlash should've been the priority all along.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:28 AM

4. Sullivan thinks Reagan was a great "transformative figure"

Sullivan is proud to say he backed Reagan in the 1980s.

Sullivan was a huge cheerleader for the Iraq War.

I really could care less what he thinks about anything.

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Response to PA Democrat (Reply #4)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:40 AM

7. Holy crap Batman;

 

If you watched the entire video you'd see this negativity is pretty much what Andrew IS talking about; the need to follow in lockstep with the Platonian ideal of liberalism. I agree Andrew's views on a LOT of matters put him into a pretty much moderate type but with your post of "I really could care less what he thinks about anything" plays right into, well I'll leave it at that.

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Response to greiner3 (Reply #7)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:09 PM

8. Do you think calling people "dumb" is an effective way to change their opinions?

That is the move of someone out to stroke their own ego, not change minds. It's an insult considering how egregiously wrong Sullivan has been and still is on many of his opinions.

BTW, just to be clear, I am speaking as someone who will vote for Obama despite my disappointment in him.

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Response to PA Democrat (Reply #8)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 04:58 PM

14. he isn't the one who called them dumb

he says in the MSNBC interview that the words "dumb" and "stupid" do not appear in his writing... that was an editorial decision on the part of Newsweek's editors to put those words on the cover of their magazine. So put the blame where it belongs--on Newsweek's editors, not on Sullivan.

calling them dumb is telling the truth, because they are acting like that: whether or not they truly are remains to be proved.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #14)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 06:26 PM

15. I watched the entire interview again and heard no explanation of the title.

Matthews gave the title of the artcle, and Sullivan said nothing. He went on to ridicule people with "ponytails in their 50s." He has a history of ridiculing and insulting those who do not agree with his politcal point of view.

Sullivan is an arrogant asshole who likes to flaunt his imagined superior intelligence. There was no bigger or more obnoxious cheerleader for the war on terror. He had this to say about anti-war protesters back in 2001:


The middle part of the country—the great red zone that voted for Bush—is clearly ready for war. The decadent Left in its enclaves on the coasts is not dead—and may well mount what amounts to a fifth column.


Yes, he called anti-war protestors traitors. What a guy!

Why are people on DU cheering this guy? Did anyone notice he called Obama economic policies center-right?

While, he did make some valid points about how many voters on the right have been misled about Obama's track record, I noticed that he saved his most biting insults for the critics on the left. The left who were right about the wars that Sullivan vigorously supported.

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Response to PA Democrat (Reply #15)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:45 PM

26. omg

I've seen more ridiculing by those against those they do not agree with here on DU, too...

this is not enough for me to reach for my pearls with a gasp and look of horror on my face.

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Response to SemperEadem (Reply #26)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:54 PM

27. And how many people have been persuaded to change their viewpoint by such ridicule?

I thought this was about changing the direction of the country, not about scoring points for the best insults.

Thanks for proving my point.

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Response to PA Democrat (Reply #15)

Sun Jan 22, 2012, 04:32 PM

29. it was CNN, not MSNBC



about :53 in.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 09:40 AM

5. So happy that I don't watch

 

corporate sponsored TV.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 12:14 PM

9. Sullivan is a king-sized dick-head.

I mostly support, and sometimes criticize The President..... but I'll be damned if I will listen to the opinion of this conservative Popinjay.

We need a correction from Reagan? Really? Why is that? Because you conservative pigs ruined this country and now you want liberals to clean up your mess.

The guy speaks out of both sides of his mouth. Until he repudiates EVERYTHING he and his conservative pig friends stand for, he can go fuck himself.

To hear him make fun of people with pony tails makes me laugh. The first time I met this sawed off prick, we was dressed in full leather with his little gestapo hat.

A grown "conservative" man who likes to dress up like some nazi cartoon character shouldn't make fun of someone with a pony tail. Bareback Andy should stfu.

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Response to Hassin Bin Sober (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:14 PM

20. Here on "Democratic" Underground

The Conservative Blogger who is like a stopped watch is A.O.K. because he's behind the President, but any liberal bloggers who criticize him are thrown under the bus.

If Andrew Sullivan were running for President he would get about the same level of respect that Ron Paul or John Huntsman get on DU. The same people who are lauding him now would be saying that any good policies he proposed weren't really good because they were based in ultranational conservatism.

he's a great speaker, but his content is lacking. That's what comes from debate club, I guess.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 03:36 PM

10. Dear Andrew Sullivan: Why Focus on Obama's Dumbest Critics?

A major defense of the president exaggerates Obama's accomplishments and misses the point: his scandalous transgressions against rule of law. After reading Andrew Sullivan's Newsweek essay about President Obama, his critics, and his re-election bid, I implore him to ponder just one question. How would you have reacted in 2008 if any Republican ran promising to do the following?

(1) Codify indefinite detention into law; (2) draw up a secret kill list of people, including American citizens, to assassinate without due process; (3) proceed with warrantless spying on American citizens; (4) prosecute Bush-era whistleblowers for violating state secrets; (5) reinterpret the War Powers Resolution such that entering a war of choice without a Congressional declaration is permissible; (6) enter and prosecute such a war; (7) institutionalize naked scanners and intrusive full body pat-downs in major American airports; (8) oversee a planned expansion of TSA so that its agents are already beginning to patrol American highways, train stations, and bus depots; (9) wage an undeclared drone war on numerous Muslim countries that delegates to the CIA the final call about some strikes that put civilians in jeopardy; (10) invoke the state-secrets privilege to dismiss lawsuits brought by civil-liberties organizations on dubious technicalities rather than litigating them on the merits; (11) preside over federal raids on medical marijuana dispensaries; (12) attempt to negotiate an extension of American troops in Iraq beyond 2011 (an effort that thankfully failed); (14) reauthorize the Patriot Act; (13) and select an economic team mostly made up of former and future financial executives from Wall Street firms that played major roles in the financial crisis.

It isn't that I object to Sullivan backing Obama's reelection if his GOP opponent runs on bringing back torture. Is he the lesser of two evils? Maybe so. But lauding him as a president who has governed "with grace and calm" and "who as yet has not had a single significant scandal to his name"? If indefinite detention, secret kill lists, warrantless spying, a war on whistleblowers, violating the War Powers Resolution, and abuse of the state secrets privilege don't fit one's definition of "scandal," what does? If they're peripheral flaws rather than central, unacceptable transgressions, America is doomed to these radical, illiberal policies for the foreseeable future.

Read the whole article here...

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 04:33 PM

11. Pretty convincing arguments.

Of course, it's so much easier to dismantle the criticism from the right as being totally false. Notice how he barely touched on the criticism from the left, since those are harder to dismiss.
But that's cool. I'd rather have Obama than one of the republican candidates, by far.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #11)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 04:42 PM

12. And to think, some asshole here on the DU attacked me for being "anti-Obama".

Just because I have a few legitimate criticisms of Obama, just because I don't love him with every fiber of my being, I got labeled "anti-Obama".

I am going to vote for Obama, but yet I get called "anti-Obama" among several other insults, by some nitwit sycophant. A fellow DUer who is now on full ignore. I'm still irritated by that exchange.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #12)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 07:35 PM

17. Here have a pile of puppies as a 'palate cleanser' so to speak....

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Response to xocet (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 07:57 AM

22. Hitler liked puppies!

Are you encouraging us to behave like Hitler? How dare you? How DA-A-ARE you?

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Response to xocet (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 08:09 AM

23. Thanks. The one towards the back on the left side looks like s/he is about to wake everybody up.

Too cute.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #23)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 10:00 PM

28. You're welcome.... n/t


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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:11 PM

18. Andrew "Hindsight is 20/20" Sullivan

Ooops. Bush wasn't great. Oops. The Iraq war was a bad idea.

What's the next "oops"? This?

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 08:12 PM

19. Absolutely spot on ! Some people need a civics 101 class, a dose of reality, and to see how damn

 

LUCKY they are with Obama. No, he isn't a leftwing purist, but he IS the MOST progressive President since LBJ even as a "moderate pragmatist" since he has passed the most amount of legislation that brought some PROGRESS to the nation since LBJ. People need to count their blessings, and yes, ENOUGH of this backseat bitching and STUPID threats to "stay home" and bitch and then bitch even louder if a RePUKE gets in, just like in 2010. The bitchers stayed home and bitched about Obama and Dems in 2010, then they bitched even louder and ARE bitching even louder now that RePUKES control the House and so many more statehouses. Enough of that SHIT.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2012, 10:04 PM

21. Andrew Sullivan is an asshole, and so are his fan club. n/t

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 09:39 AM

24. That's sounds about right

 

A right of center guy likes President Obama since Obama represents his views. That's exactly what President Obama's critics from the left have been saying all along.

Plus Sullivan is correct about the Republicans. They have no interest in doing anything for our country as long as it may make President Obama look good - shameless.

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Response to Sky Masterson (Original post)

Fri Jan 20, 2012, 10:19 AM

25. Great job by Andrew Sullivan!!

 

Im not happy about everything Obama did or didnt do. But this is a election year! Shut the hell up and get inline then after the election hold Obama feet to the fire again.

It does no good now to bash Obama. He is light years better then anything the The Republican side will do the next four years. I really dont get it. We need to come together and get Obama reelected! To say your not going to vote for him and let a Republican win is dumb!

If I could go back 4 years ago I would have voted different but we have him now and a center Obama is way better then any of those crazy republicans.

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