Mon Oct 8, 2012, 07:57 PM
James48 (1,322 posts)
7 replies, 3124 views
Even country-singers have wised up. (Original post)
Response to James48 (Original post)
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 09:44 PM
johnlucas (1,250 posts)
2. This proves why you shouldn't stereotype people
Many in the South, many country music fans are NOT bigots & dimwits.
For every Hank Williams Jr. talking about Obama is a Muslim, there's people like the Remington Riders who look at what good Obama has done & are crediting him for it.
There's a sickness in the South no doubt about it but we must continue to reach out to these places so that people like the Remington Riders can show us that Southerners don't all carry that sickness.
If the bigots from the South didn't split off from the Democratic Party after 1964, the Second Bill of Rights would have been law by now.
This country would have been much further ahead if not for that.
Some Southerners recognize their working class roots & feel that they & everybody should get a fairer shot in this world.
And yes Obama needs to legalize marijuana.
Unlike Clinton, he smoked it, inhaled it, & enjoyed it.
You wanna talk about freedoms? Then free the weed!
And no I don't even smoke. Just because I won't use it doesn't mean I want to keep others from using it.
I long for the day when America puts aside its bigotry so solidarity of the poor will be had once again.
We have been divided for too long.
Response to johnlucas (Reply #2)
Mon Oct 8, 2012, 10:30 PM
rwsanders (741 posts)
3. Can you tell more about the 2nd bill of rights and the tie to 1964?
I've only recently (past 2-3 years) begun to learn about the 2nd bill of rights proposed by FDR. I thought the idea died with him.
Sad it is never taught in schools. I had 5 years of "american history" in junior high, high school and college and it was never mentioned. Must be that famous "liberal bias" again.
Response to rwsanders (Reply #3)
Tue Oct 9, 2012, 01:53 AM
johnlucas (1,250 posts)
4. The concept spoken in the Second Bill of Rights would have been completed
FDR proposed it & died before he could go further with it.
But the Democratic Party he reshaped was committed to live out what he spoke.
We have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence. “Necessitous men are not free men.” People who are hungry and out of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made.
In our day these economic truths have become accepted as self-evident. We have accepted, so to speak, a second Bill of Rights under which a new basis of security and prosperity can be established for all—regardless of station, race, or creed.
Among these are:
The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation;
The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation;
The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living;
The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad;
The right of every family to a decent home;
The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health;
The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident, and unemployment;
The right to a good education.
All of these rights spell security. And after this war is won we must be prepared to move forward, in the implementation of these rights, to new goals of human happiness and well-being.
America's own rightful place in the world depends in large part upon how fully these and similar rights have been carried into practice for all our citizens.
For unless there is security here at home there cannot be lasting peace in the world.
There's a reason why he was elected 4 times in a row.
FDR changed America forever.
But the Democrats historically were the party of the Southern slaveowners.
Roosevelt came from a Northern branch that evolved from the old Democratic-Republican party split of the 1820s.
The Democratic-Republican party ties back to Southern slaveowner Thomas Jefferson & had become basically the only party in town by this time.
The gigantic party split off into various factions with the most dominant being the Democratic Party of the Southern slaveowners.
After the Civil War especially that region became known as the Solid South because they voted so strong for the Democrats.
In the South, Republican meant the ones who helped the "Negroes" & bombed our towns.
Roosevelt came in & basically rounded up all demoralized demographics in the U.S.A. & put them into one giant coalition.
And that coalition included Blacks.
His wife Eleanor definitely had an ear to Black folks' issues with civil rights.
That doesn't go over too well with the Southern bigots but they had a Depression to contend with.
The Great Depression was just that bad.
Franklin somehow held these widely disparate groups altogether as one political body but when he died & his Vice-President now President Harry S. Truman continued where Roosevelt left off on Civil Rights issues, the coalition's cracks began to show.
Harry S. Truman went further on Roosevelt's plans to desegregate the military (check Executive Order 8802) by signing Executive Order 9981 in 1948 which DIRECTLY ended legal segregation & discrimination in the military.
When he did that, the South got HOT & planned to run against him in the 1948 election through South Carolina's Strom Thurmond.
The party name they came up with was States' Rights Democrats AKA Dixiecrats.
That States' Rights thing goes all the way back to Jefferson & the issue of slavery which was always in dispute until the Civil War ended the argument.
The old name Democratic-Republican translates into People Rule the Matters of the People.
Demos = People (in Greek), Crat = Rule (in Greek)
Res = Matters (in Latin), Public = People (in Latin)
Truman won in 1948 & the progress made by FDR's New Deal coalition would be under attack along with this new Democratic Party.
But the President that came after him, Republican Dwight Eisenhower, also made some moves on Civil Rights by reinforcing Truman's executive order to end discrimination in the military; enforcing intergration in Washington D.C. schools; sending the Arkansas National Guard to Little Rock, Arkansas to protect the Black students integrating their school after the Brown vs. Board of Education ruling; creating Civil Rights watchdogs in the Justice Department; & creating a commission to check on Voting Rights abuses towards Blacks.
Southern bigots didn't know what to do now.
The Democrats are betraying them & the Republicans aren't helping either.
In 1960, John Kennedy comes in & has an ear to the Blacks again.
He prepares to sign a landmark Civil Rights Act destroying the oppressive fiefdom in the South once & for all.
He gets shot & killed for it in Southern state Texas.
His Vice-President Lyndon Johnson carries out his wish & signs that Civil Rights Act in 1964.
He's from Texas, a Southern state. Just like Truman was from Missouri, a Southern state.
Southern bigots lost their minds & said they have no belonging to the Democratic Party anymore.
They were so INCENSED that they virtually all left the Democratic Party overnight.
But this guy named Richard Nixon who lost to Kennedy became the beneficiary of this new Southern Strategy to boost the weakened Republican Party.
A core element of the Republican Party were the rich selfish big money guys & they hated FDR's New Deal from the very beginning.
Eisenhower didn't reverse any of FDR's plans & they don't like paying high taxes among other things.
So they used the energy of these bigots to boost their numbers & thus influence the policies.
That's how the South became Republican (ironically since the Republicans freed the slaves in the first place).
And that's how the selfish rich began rolling back all the progress made from the New Deal & its descendant policies like Medicare.
Nixon kicked it off, Reagan pushed it further & the Bushes carried it down the field.
The bigoted South & its sympathizers have been trying to get back at the 1964 Civil Rights Act & everytime they do it, the selfish rich guys get away with a little bit more.
That's why the Second Bill of Rights has not been completed.
We have been sabotaged by bigots for 50 years & the country will not be able to really move forward until they change or fade out.
We can't get the Second Bill of Rights done until we get a strong unified Progress-seeking base.
The bigots kill our unity.
Response to johnlucas (Reply #4)
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 10:27 PM
rwsanders (741 posts)
6. Thanks John, I thought maybe the ball was completely dropped after FDR...
My cousin is right, he says a large percentage of the nation hates minorities more than they care for themselves or their children.
Response to rwsanders (Reply #6)
Mon Oct 15, 2012, 11:52 PM
johnlucas (1,250 posts)
7. This Bill Maher piece on Real Time shows this in detail
Bill Maher showed a piece on Real Time back on March 9th with Alexandra Pelosi interviewing random Mississippi voters & asking about their views on politics.
Mississippi is said to be the poorest state in the United States & many people there live in poverty levels.
But these guys would rather vote for the Republicans citing God than vote for Democrats like Obama who could help them come out of that poverty.
One old guy in it was damn near toothless & living in squalor in some shack.
Alexandra told him that voting for the Republicans wasn't doing anything for you & he said "But it could".
She said "But it hasn't". He came back with "But it could".
Incidentally he's on Food Stamps but says he hates governmental interference.
This is the bigot block I say we're up against.
Their numbers ARE eroding but there's still a whole lot of them left.
And all of 'em ain't necessarily toothless living in squalor.
They are still fighting the Civil War & Civil Rights right on to this day.
And when the Democratic Party atoned for its past through FDR & JFK, these guys derailed the momentum of New Deal simply because they hate the Negroes (and any other they put on the level of the Negroes).
Watch this in action right here on Bill Maher's segment.
Obama's 2nd term is gonna damage their psyches.
Incidentally Mississippi still carries that Rebel Battle Flag on their State flag.
They're STILL fighting it.