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Can Trump Pardon Himself? J Mayer The New Yorker (Original Post) sagesnow Nov 2020 OP
Kimberley Gargoyle Rorey Nov 2020 #1
She's another tRumpy Creeoer sagesnow Nov 2020 #3
The risk trump takes is if he does this and it's challenged next year beachbumbob Nov 2020 #2
The pardon discussion begins around 12:40; Ramsey Barner Nov 2020 #4
1974 DOJ Memorandum on "Presidential or Legislative Pardon of the President" Ramsey Barner Nov 2020 #5
Interesting! Esp the 'Acting President' part. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2020 #8
If SCOTUS rules that the president can pardon himself, what's to stop Joe Biden from W T F Nov 2020 #6
That is a Federal Crime StClone Nov 2020 #10
Trump resigns expecting pardon from Pence. Mr. Evil Nov 2020 #7
Prospective pardons? TheRickles Nov 2020 #9

Rorey

(8,460 posts)
1. Kimberley Gargoyle
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:25 AM
Nov 2020

I didn't know the details of her departure from FauxNews, and I'm grossed out even more than I already was about her. What a disgusting person. I was thinking that it's fortunate that she doesn't have children, and then discovered that she does. I feel bad for her 14 year old son.

sagesnow

(2,837 posts)
3. She's another tRumpy Creeoer
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:32 AM
Nov 2020

It amazes me she was once married to Gavin Newsome. Was she a Dem then?

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
2. The risk trump takes is if he does this and it's challenged next year
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:31 AM
Nov 2020

in Supreme Court, court rules you can not, then he is open to all Federal charges. Even a 6-3 conservative court would have difficulty with a president issued pardon to himself. So the only 100% safe way would to resign now and pence issues the pardon.

Ramsey Barner

(357 posts)
4. The pardon discussion begins around 12:40;
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 12:02 PM
Nov 2020

all of this clip is worth listening to, and Amy is as well-prepared and sharp as ever.

Ramsey Barner

(357 posts)
5. 1974 DOJ Memorandum on "Presidential or Legislative Pardon of the President"
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 12:13 PM
Nov 2020
https://www.justice.gov/file/20856/download

I think this is the memo Mayer discusses in the interview.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,847 posts)
8. Interesting! Esp the 'Acting President' part.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:43 PM
Nov 2020

Trump simply steps aside for a moment, per Section 3 of the Twenty-Fifth Amendment, while Pence fills out the pardon paperwork. When Pence is done issuing the pardon, Trump re-assumes office.

W T F

(1,152 posts)
6. If SCOTUS rules that the president can pardon himself, what's to stop Joe Biden from
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:31 PM
Nov 2020

Ordering the execution of Trump and pardoning himself? That’s one big can of worms to open up.

StClone

(11,721 posts)
10. That is a Federal Crime
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:54 PM
Nov 2020

Killing US Prez wasn't a federal crime when JFK was murdered but a 1965 law changed it to a Federal Crime.

Mr. Evil

(2,912 posts)
7. Trump resigns expecting pardon from Pence.
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 01:33 PM
Nov 2020

Pence is sworn in as president. Immediately diagnosed with Covid before he chooses vice-president. Is rushed to hospital and put on a ventilator. Cannot communicate. Pelosi becomes president. No pardon.

Don't actually know the protocols under that scenario but, if it did happen that way I would scream with laughter.

TheRickles

(2,163 posts)
9. Prospective pardons?
Sat Nov 14, 2020, 06:08 PM
Nov 2020

Ms. Mayer was pretty clear that Trump has the power to "prospectively pardon" people like Ivanka for any crimes that she might have already committed. I wonder if anyone knows the legal basis for her opinion, since I thought that a person had to first be convicted of a crime before they could even become eligible for a pardon.

Otherwise, a President could start his term by issuing blanket prospective pardons to all his minions, and then it's bombs away for the next four years. There must be a firewall against a scenario as ridiculous as that one, but I don't know what it is.

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