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Sat Nov 14, 2020, 09:37 AM

Can Trump Pardon Himself? J Mayer The New Yorker

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Reply Can Trump Pardon Himself? J Mayer The New Yorker (Original post)
sagesnow Nov 2020 OP
Rorey Nov 2020 #1
sagesnow Nov 2020 #3
beachbumbob Nov 2020 #2
Ramsey Barner Nov 2020 #4
Ramsey Barner Nov 2020 #5
Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2020 #8
W T F Nov 2020 #6
StClone Nov 2020 #10
Mr. Evil Nov 2020 #7
TheRickles Nov 2020 #9

Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:25 AM

1. Kimberley Gargoyle

I didn't know the details of her departure from FauxNews, and I'm grossed out even more than I already was about her. What a disgusting person. I was thinking that it's fortunate that she doesn't have children, and then discovered that she does. I feel bad for her 14 year old son.

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Response to Rorey (Reply #1)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:32 AM

3. She's another tRumpy Creeoer

It amazes me she was once married to Gavin Newsome. Was she a Dem then?

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 10:31 AM

2. The risk trump takes is if he does this and it's challenged next year

 

in Supreme Court, court rules you can not, then he is open to all Federal charges. Even a 6-3 conservative court would have difficulty with a president issued pardon to himself. So the only 100% safe way would to resign now and pence issues the pardon.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:02 AM

4. The pardon discussion begins around 12:40;

all of this clip is worth listening to, and Amy is as well-prepared and sharp as ever.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 11:13 AM

5. 1974 DOJ Memorandum on "Presidential or Legislative Pardon of the President"

https://www.justice.gov/file/20856/download

I think this is the memo Mayer discusses in the interview.

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Response to Ramsey Barner (Reply #5)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 12:43 PM

8. Interesting! Esp the 'Acting President' part.

Trump simply steps aside for a moment, per Section 3 of the Twenty-Fifth Amendment, while Pence fills out the pardon paperwork. When Pence is done issuing the pardon, Trump re-assumes office.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 12:31 PM

6. If SCOTUS rules that the president can pardon himself, what's to stop Joe Biden from

Ordering the execution of Trump and pardoning himself? Thatís one big can of worms to open up.

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Response to W T F (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 08:54 PM

10. That is a Federal Crime

Killing US Prez wasn't a federal crime when JFK was murdered but a 1965 law changed it to a Federal Crime.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 12:33 PM

7. Trump resigns expecting pardon from Pence.

Pence is sworn in as president. Immediately diagnosed with Covid before he chooses vice-president. Is rushed to hospital and put on a ventilator. Cannot communicate. Pelosi becomes president. No pardon.

Don't actually know the protocols under that scenario but, if it did happen that way I would scream with laughter.

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Response to sagesnow (Original post)

Sat Nov 14, 2020, 05:08 PM

9. Prospective pardons?

Ms. Mayer was pretty clear that Trump has the power to "prospectively pardon" people like Ivanka for any crimes that she might have already committed. I wonder if anyone knows the legal basis for her opinion, since I thought that a person had to first be convicted of a crime before they could even become eligible for a pardon.

Otherwise, a President could start his term by issuing blanket prospective pardons to all his minions, and then it's bombs away for the next four years. There must be a firewall against a scenario as ridiculous as that one, but I don't know what it is.

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