Michael Moore: Frightened for the Country

[tomhagen]

[lunamagica]

1. You helped to get us where we are today

[Cha]

3. Exactly, Luna!

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[lunamagica]

15. Hey Cha!

Merry Christmas, my friend!

[Cha]

16. Feliz Navidad! Mele

Kalikimaka!

[JCanete]

5. He helped to get us as a nation to wake up to the idea of something like the ACA. People lack so

much fucking nuance here its tragic.

Yeah, he has a problem with mainstream politics and there are things I think he's been wrong on, but have some modicum of circumspection. There are also things that we can criticize Obama and Clinton and every other person in congress or office for, and some are pretty horrific, but do those choices or missteps alone define these individuals?

[WhiteTara]

2. FU Moore. You helped mightily to bring us to

the brink of annihilation.

[Cha]

4. Yes, he did.. WhiteTara..

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Michael Moore: Russia, Stormy Daniels stories are 'shiny keys to distract us'

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/379278-michael-moore-russia-stormy-daniels-stories-are-shiny-keys-to-distract-us

[JCanete]

6. ridiculous bullshit. He did however, help to get us the ACA. You remember Sicko? You remember the

conversation that actually energized in the mainstream? Because he's made political decisions you disagree with he deserves to be dismissed en total? What the fuck is wrong with people here?

[Magoo48]

7. Agreed,

this man has devoted much of his life and his art toward improving the lives of the working class and the poor. Decisions made in frustration at the plodding status quo, decisions to support different, more direct approaches does not negate or demean his achievements. We on the left do the best we can with what we’ve got. We will not, and need not, always agree on method when our goals are pretty much aligned.

[JCanete]

13. Thank you, well stated. nt

[WhiteTara]

9. If you think something is wrong with people with whom you

disagree. I then wonder about you. What is wrong with you as "people" here? I don't agree with you so there is something wrong with me? Bad argument. Also, had he not pushed Nadir so hard during 1999, we would not have needed the movie Sicko. So please don't be nasty to me.

[JCanete]

11. It is not that we disagree that is my issue...it is that people can decide whether or not somebody

else is a worthwhile human with valid opinions to add to the table based upon, yes, a couple of past decisions that you strongly disagree with. The ability to not look at the entirety of past works and find some nuance in our judgements is troubling. Even good people get some things wrong. And I'm not entirely sure that our focus on just being angry at people who vote 3rd party is a healthy one, given that yes, pragmatism says it can be poison, but idealism says we should not be locked into 2 parties, and there are ways we could as a party be pushing for a voting system that doesn't make 3rd parties spoilers.

Instead, most people (here anyway)don't look at that as a problem to be solved, they look at the people who voted their ideals as the purist enemies of the good. They emphasize a coercion of blaming and shaming. AND its fine to actually look at the pragmatism of a 3rd party vote, and to question whether or not this is the best way for people to move the country in the right direction, but its an entirely other thing to assume that these people are selfish and ego-driven and don't care. Its another thing to cast them out of your circle of "good" liberals and democrats because YOU disagreed with the way they've chosen to fight.

Also, I have no idea why you think that should Gore have won, we would have passed something like the ACA. We were coming off of the heels of what Hillary Clinton reaped in the healthcare fight. Gore had some kinder gentler campaign proposals, like healthcare for uninsured children, but he was not proposing anything like what Clinton did previously.

[WhiteTara]

14. I don't "cast anyone out" and most people are

ego driven. Even Mother Theresa and her own ego issues while she did lots of good. Michael Moore put himself in the political arena and encouraged Nadir to run, not once but twice. Please don't tell me about his good. It's make up work after he blew the whole thing up with his ego.

Please don't make me throw up about how you think that Gore might not have worked to make our country better. I'm having a nice day and don't want to have any more conversation with you. Please have a nice holiday and go talk to someone else.

[JCanete]

21. That's not what i said. So please don't throw up about something you inferred from who knows where.

[WhiteTara]

25. Here's your quote

"I have no idea why you think that should Gore have won, we would have passed something like the ACA."

No inference from that statement. Perhaps you were being inelegant, but let's not talk for some time. The hair on the back of my neck rises when I read your posts.

[JCanete]

28. Then stop talking. I'm not going to simply not respond because you want the last word when

this was your direct quote, having much broader implications than an ACA. "Please don't make me throw up about how you think that Gore might not have worked to make our country better." Of course I think he was going to work to make our country better. Just because democrats saw that door to something like a public option or big healthcare reform closed to them at the time after a major astroturfed public backlash, doesn't mean I think Gore was going to be a bad President or a non-altruistic one. But oh yes, we were still going to need something like Sicko to strike at the right time and start up another national dialogue about healthcare.

[Cha]

33. She did stop talking.. she doesn't need

any orders from you.

You need to look in the mirror before you accuse anyone of wanting to get the last word.

[JCanete]

38. Yeah, that's what I was doing was barking orders. That strawman's not getting too old and moldy for

you?

[RandiFan1290]

8. Pictures can be fun

[Boomerproud]

12. Yep. truth does hurt doesn't it?

I see no other responses to this photo. Does that make me a Hillary hater?

[Cha]

19. Moore said "the Russian Investigation was a Distraction"

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Yeah, a fuck lot he knows.

[Cha]

18. Moore said the "Russian Investigation was a Distraction.."

a fuck lot he knows.

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[dembotoz]

10. haters gonna hate..he just happens to be right so damn often

sometimes truth does not taste good

[Cha]

17. Moore said the "Russian Investigation was a

Distraction.. " A fuck lot he knows.

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[dembotoz]

20. He warned us about upper Midwest slipping away in 2016

Spot on
He knew more than the campaign did

[Cha]

22. Too much Gaslighting Garbage comes out of his mouth..

Moore continued: “When the history is written of this era, this is how you’ll be remembered. He was the first black president. OK, not a bad accomplishment. But that’s it. That’s it, Mr. Obama. A hundred years from now, (it’ll be noted that) he was the first black American that got elected president. And that’s it — eight years of your life and that’s what people will remember.”>

https://nypost.com/2014/09/11/michael-moore-calls-obama-a-huge-disappointment/

Fuck Off Moore.

MM tells you to "embrace trump".. have fun with that..

“But I think we have to embrace Trump,” Moore said in the interview. “People reading this will say, ‘What do you mean? Embrace Trump?’ But we have to embrace him. We have to listen to him. He’s telling lies, and he’s telling the truth at the same time"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

But, M.Moore also says trump is like "hitler".. so why should we "embrace" hitler? Or the fucking moron?

"In new film, Michael Moore compares Trump to Hitler. And he's not so crazy about Obama, either."

"I've come to the conclusion that the old guard of the Democratic Party is a greater roadblock to social progress than Trump"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term=.77221405d03e

He's an idiot.

[dembotoz]

23. whatever...like i said haters gonna hate

[Cha]

29. Yeah, you can't discuss Mooor's Gaslighting Garbage

so you devolve into.. "haters". Lame.

[dembotoz]

31. no some stuff doesn't deserve a response

[Cha]

32. Yeah, the gaslighting garbage that comes out of Moore's

mouth is disgusting.

Michael Moore believes 'evil genius' Trump will be a two-term president

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100211140256#top

Michael Moore Predicts ‘President Romney’ In November

https://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/08/31/michael-moore-predicts-president-romney-in-november/

[dembotoz]

34. saw your first post bullshit remains bullshit but have a nice day

[Cha]

35. Now you can see this one.. and yes Moore

spouts a Lot of BullShit.

[dembotoz]

36. lets just call it a day...i am not gonna convice you and you sure as shit ain't gonna convice me

and if we continue we start to run the risk of alerts and its just too damn close to christmas

[Cha]

37. I'm not trying to "convince" you.. I know you

don't care what a gaslighter he is.

Be sure and "embrace trump" like he tells his followers to do.

“But I think we have to embrace Trump,” Moore said in the interview. “People reading this will say, ‘What do you mean? Embrace Trump?’ But we have to embrace him. We have to listen to him. He’s telling lies, and he’s telling the truth at the same time"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/09/07/new-film-michael-moore-compares-trump-hitler-hes-not-so-crazy-about-obama-either/?utm_term

[dembotoz]

39. Still wanna play?? Ok bullshit

[Cha]

40. "Embracing trump" is absolutely BullShit.

[dembotoz]

41. where i am from his predictions are considered sage and frankly don't care what you think

2016 he called what i knew in my gut from early summer on....

particularly in my state....upper midwest....he fucking nailed it

most everyone else blew it big time.

you can believe any damn fool you want and suspect you do.

i don't give a shit i will continue to defend mm
so how much you want to inflate your post total on this?
whatever

[Cha]

42. Michael Moore on Why Posting Bail for Julian Assange is a 'True Act of Patriotism'

https://www.thenation.com/article/michael-moore-why-posting-bail-julian-assange-true-act-patriotism/

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[dembotoz]

43. still posting your bullshit ...shame on you

who the hell you trying to convince?????????????

[Cha]

45. Michael Moore is the epitome of BullShit

[dembotoz]

46. Nah I leave that up to haters

[LuvLoogie]

26. Moore spent all of the last 4 years justifying

a vote for trump. Not faulting the voter, or even trumps lies. He saved his criticism for Hillary and the Democrats. He faulted THEM for not providing a good enough argument in opposition to trumps bigoted populist nihilism.

Moores cash flow has more in common with trump's shtick than the nuts and bolts of Democratic governance and our philosophy of inclusiveness.

I like Mike, but he is a Bernie Bro.

[Downtown Hound]

27. I like Michael Moore and will always be grateful to him

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For helping in my political awakening, but his act has gotten old and stale. He's been kissing the butt of Trump voters for years and trying to make it seem like they had good reason to do what they've been doing. The fact is that they have no reasonable excuse, and it's time to start holding them accountable.

And Obama was much more than just the first black president. He led us out of the greatest economic crisis in two generations. He got 20 million people new health insurance. He got America to sign on to the Paris treaty about global warming. He got Osama bin Laden. And he had already pretty much finished off Isis by the time Trump rolled in and took all the credit for himself.

Mike's negativity towards the Democrats and downplaying their accomplishments is not helping us. He needs to either start really helping or just go away. I feel like now might be a good time to mention that Mike also believed Romney would win, McCain would win, and that O.J. was innocent. In other words, he isn't always right. Oh yeah, he also thought the Democrats were going to lose in 2018. How'd that work out for him?

[Cha]

30. Well said, Downtown Hound.. Thank You!

[George II]

44. Where was he two years ago? Bashing Clinton. He's spent all his political "capital" and pity.

And his recent movie was a bomb. People are on to him now.