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Thu May 17, 2018, 10:43 AM

Pic Of The Moment: Because Sometimes You Can't Not Make Nazi Comparisons



Trump ramps up rhetoric on undocumented immigrants: 'These aren't people. These are animals.'

Goebbels: "These are no longer humans, these are animals"


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Reply Pic Of The Moment: Because Sometimes You Can't Not Make Nazi Comparisons (Original post)
EarlG May 2018 OP
True Dough May 2018 #1
Botany May 2018 #2
olegramps May 2018 #8
workinclasszero May 2018 #20
olegramps May 2018 #39
Borchkins May 2018 #44
SummerSnow May 2018 #48
appalachiablue May 2018 #49
BlancheSplanchnik May 2018 #59
underpants May 2018 #3
Botany May 2018 #4
appalachiablue May 2018 #42
Botany May 2018 #56
dalton99a May 2018 #66
not fooled May 2018 #5
Initech May 2018 #6
appalachiablue May 2018 #40
workinclasszero May 2018 #7
BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #36
heaven05 May 2018 #9
Girard442 May 2018 #10
SunSeeker May 2018 #11
Gothmog May 2018 #12
Twisty May 2018 #13
certainot May 2018 #16
Twisty May 2018 #18
unblock May 2018 #22
EarlG May 2018 #46
Twisty May 2018 #61
Wednesdays May 2018 #65
certainot May 2018 #14
90-percent May 2018 #15
Hekate May 2018 #17
Post removed May 2018 #19
TheSmarterDog May 2018 #23
unblock May 2018 #24
Initech May 2018 #27
Butterflylady May 2018 #21
Name removed May 2018 #25
Stuart G May 2018 #29
Name removed May 2018 #38
Demit May 2018 #43
lagomorph777 May 2018 #35
fleabiscuit May 2018 #45
marble falls May 2018 #52
Stuart G May 2018 #26
lagomorph777 May 2018 #33
Twisty May 2018 #62
SunSeeker May 2018 #28
lagomorph777 May 2018 #32
SunSeeker May 2018 #34
Orsino May 2018 #30
lagomorph777 May 2018 #31
Ccarmona May 2018 #37
BigmanPigman May 2018 #41
appalachiablue May 2018 #50
BigmanPigman May 2018 #51
appalachiablue May 2018 #53
appalachiablue May 2018 #54
BigmanPigman May 2018 #55
Honeycombe8 May 2018 #47
ashtonelijah May 2018 #57
Twisty May 2018 #63
dhill926 May 2018 #58
tclambert May 2018 #60
C Moon May 2018 #64

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:48 AM

1. More cow bell

and less Goebbels (and less Trump, PLEASE!!!)

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Response to True Dough (Reply #1)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:45 AM

8. If you want to know what is happening in America today, read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

William L. Shirer was a journalist in Germany during the rise of Hitler and he provides detailed descriptions of just how Hitler came to power. It is a long read, but well worth it. During my college years it was a required read in many history classes. What is striking is the same denigration of the Free Press, scapegoating of minorities, threats of violence, denigration of opposing parties, etc. The parallels are sobering. The Fourth Estate has placed itself in jeopardy just as it did in Germany when it failed to challenge the Nazi's propaganda. The false equivalency of opposing sides is only tolerated because of the lack of fortitude of journalists and the desire of managers not to alienate advertisers and lose readership. What they are afraid to protect is in jeopardy of their losing it.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #8)

Thu May 17, 2018, 01:34 PM

20. You are 100% right!

The media who were thrilled by all the money they made from the Trump circus are being savaged by him now.

All the other details you noted are in effect.

I figure Trump and the GOP will be the most dangerous to our democracy if the republicans get smashed in a huge blue wave election in the fall.

They will not want to give up their power to Democrats.

That is when Trump puts his reichstag fire event into play.

What it will be remains to be seen.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #20)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:38 PM

39. The major question is if Trump was removed from power would and could he incite a revolution?

His following is so radical that it is feasible that they could take to the streets in armed revolt. A major concept that held by the radical left is that they are the true Americans and anyone who disagrees with them is the enemy. Trump is a dangerous megalomaniac who was brazen and confident enough of his followers to encourage them to attack protesters and ridicule his opponents. If he is removed from power, in view of his past actions, I believe that it is a possibility. Unless the Republican Party comes to its senses they may very well regret being virtually blackmailed into supporting Trump. He gave them a choice, analogous to his conduct of business, if you don't support me I will run as an Independent and Clinton is assured of winning. They made a pack with the devil and it remains to see if they will acknowledge it before it become catastrophic.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #8)

Thu May 17, 2018, 03:21 PM

44. just reread it.

Startling comparisons to today.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #8)

Thu May 17, 2018, 04:03 PM

48. I have the book. My dad had it in his bookcase for years.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #8)

Thu May 17, 2018, 04:07 PM

49. Want to re-read it, pass along to young ones. It was in our library as a kid

and I recall Mom emphasizing William L. Shirer's 1960 classic work on the Third Reich.
Another historical event in 1960 that I remember was the capture of Adolf Eichmann in Argentina, the major Nazi war criminal and chief SS officer in charge of transporting Jews and Roma to concentration camps per The Final Solution. Eichmann was taken by Israeli agents to Israel for trial and conviction which was televised. ~ These historical influences and Anne Frank's diary formed my first knowledge of the Nazis & the Second World War.





- William L. Shirer witnessed a 1934 Nazi rally in Nuremberg & linked the criminality of individuals to communal frenzy.

SI Excerpt: But in 1960, there were two notable developments, two captures: In May, Israeli agents apprehended Adolf Eichmann in Argentina and flew him to Jerusalem for trial. And in October, William L. Shirer captured something else, both massive and elusive, within the four corners of a book: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. He captured it in a way that made amnesia no longer an option. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/revisiting-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-third-reich-20231221/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Third_Reich




The Adolf Eichmann Trial in Jerusalem 1961. Eichmann testified from a bullet proof glass booth, was convicted of war crimes in May 1961 and executed by hanging in 1962.

Eichmann Trial: After World War II, Nazi war criminal Adolf Eichmann fled from Austria and made his way to Argentina where he lived under the name Ricardo Klement. In May 1960, Israeli Security Service agents seized Eichmann in Argentina and took him to Jerusalem for trial in an Israeli court. Eichmann testified from a bulletproof glass booth.

The Eichmann trial aroused international interest, bringing Nazi atrocities to the forefront of world news. Testimonies of Holocaust survivors, especially those of ghetto fighters such as Zivia Lubetkin, generated interest in Jewish resistance. The trial prompted a new openness in Israel; many Holocaust survivors felt able to share their experiences as the country confronted this traumatic chapter.
Israeli attorney general Gideon Hausner signed a bill of indictment against Eichmann on 15 counts, including crimes against the Jewish people and crimes against humanity

https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005179

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Response to olegramps (Reply #8)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:18 PM

59. You're right about that book.

I wish I could remember details like you!

But I know the hints of building fascism and media propaganda during g.w.’s time, and now this....

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:59 AM

3. Nazis gonna Nazi

That's what they do.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:59 AM

4. Trump works from the Joseph Goebbel playbook.


“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Thu May 17, 2018, 03:03 PM

42. 'The Big Lie,' and this one from Goebbels..

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #42)

Thu May 17, 2018, 06:00 PM

56. Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty.

"Lock her up"

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Response to Botany (Reply #4)

Fri May 18, 2018, 11:54 AM

66. Yep.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:09 AM

5. All of a piece

Ivana said dump used to keep a copy of Hitler's collected speeches next to his bed:

[link:https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-adolf-hitler-books-bedside-cabinet-ex-wife-ivana-trump-vanity-fair-1990-a7639041.html|]

And it's obvious he has modeled aspects of his political career on der Fuhrer's. The big lies, the immigrant bashing, etc.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:10 AM

6. The right wing is going full Nazi, and you never go full Nazi!

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Response to Initech (Reply #6)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:54 PM

40. WWII Nazi Victim, Lutheran Pastor Martin Niemoller's words to heed, forever:



Wiki: For his opposition to the Nazis' state control of the churches, Niemöller was imprisoned in Sachsenhausen and Dachau concentration camps from 1938 to 1945. He narrowly escaped execution. After his imprisonment, he expressed his deep regret about not having done enough to help the victims of the Nazis.
He turned away from his earlier nationalistic beliefs and was one of the initiators of the Stuttgart Declaration of Guilt. From the 1950s on, he was a vocal pacifist and anti-war activist, and vice-chair of War Resisters' International from 1966 to 1972. He met with Ho Chi Minh during the Vietnam War and was a committed campaigner for nuclear disarmament.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller


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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:35 AM

7. Trump has been using the fascist playbook

since day one of his presidential campaign.

I think Trump would love to give ICE and National Guard units shoot to kill orders on the US/Mexican border.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #7)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:20 PM

36. And it's not just that he's been using it...

...it's who he is. I once thought it was a facade, or maybe even a performance art piece. How badly I was wrong.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:55 AM

9. he's so full of shit

 

he cheated hundreds if not thousands out of their pay when they worked for him. And bet your bottom dollar, many, many were undocumented....dah dah dah.. .this abomination of a presidential administration reflects that hypocrisy, all, sad.

There are a lot of elephants in this room.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:16 PM

10. From here on out, my circle of friends will only include those who think Trump is an actual Nazi.

I don't think I'll have to make a lot of changes.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:45 PM

11. K & R

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 12:53 PM

12. K&R

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 01:01 PM

13. That's not exactly right...

 

He was referencing MS-13 gang members specificly... This article cuts off half of the conversation, and as we always say, context matters.

He's a horrible "thing" and he belongs in prison, and we don't need skewed articles to prove that.

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Response to Twisty (Reply #13)

Thu May 17, 2018, 01:08 PM

16. the problem is on RW radio, which spawned trump, many of the immigrants and

refugees are labeled automatically as gang members, drug runners, criminals, disease carriers, etc., and have been for years to help sell voter ID and other suppression. it is clear by the way republicans treat brown people and their children that they clearly think they are superior - and 'above' those 'animals'

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Response to certainot (Reply #16)

Thu May 17, 2018, 01:23 PM

18. I understand

 

But they were talking specifically about gang members... That is literally what came before his comments on this article...

And I say this after I had already shared it to my wall without checking.

And after 8 years of trying to explain to Republicans that "context matters" I would prefer not to look like a hypocrite.

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Response to Twisty (Reply #13)

Thu May 17, 2018, 01:51 PM

22. Please, he was deliberately painting all undocumented immigrants with the same brush.

The whole conversation was about undocumented immigrants and him wanting harsher treatment and more aggressive enforcement and in that context when ms-13 comes up he calls "them" animals. Non-human.

Did he clarify that he was talking specifically about ms-13? No, he was being more general. He didn't say every last undocumented immigrant was an animal either, but in a context where he had absolutely positive to say about them, the inference is clear.

It's the same when he said "they're sending us their rapists" eventually he added "and some. I assume, are good people". That time he explicitly noted that not all Mexican immigrants are rapists, but barely adding it, as an afterthought. The implication is obvious, and everyone rightly took it as smearing all Mexican immigrants, not just the tiny few who happened to be rapists.


Even if he was explicitly, narrowly talking just about me-13, it's never right to reduce people to mere animal status. even horrible criminals are human.

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Response to Twisty (Reply #13)

Thu May 17, 2018, 03:36 PM

46. Hmm, well now you mention it, Goebbels wasn't calling *all* Jews animals either

Just the ones who happened to be living in a ghetto he was visiting at the time.

So does that means we have to let him off the hook too?

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Response to EarlG (Reply #46)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:09 PM

61. I didn't say that...

 

Impeach him. Indite him. Convince him and send him to prison; the sooner the better.

But this one is too easy for them to pick apart. Regardless of what we know he "meant" his actual words were in reference to a specific group of gang members.

And by ignoring what was actually said it makes us look just like them. Perhaps this is my last attempt to go high when they go low, instead of kicking them in the head?

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Response to Twisty (Reply #13)

Fri May 18, 2018, 11:21 AM

65. Quoting TheFerret...

But let's just cut through the crap because literally everyone understands what's going on here. The President knows he's racist. We know he's racist. His supporters know he's racist, THAT'S HOW HE BEAT SIXTEEN OTHER REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES, lest ye forget. And they just loooooooooove dragging y’all down in endless, bad-faith, internet squabbling. It turns them on. It gets them off. Trolling libtards is what these losers live for; it's a sad, pathetic, way to walk through life, and you certainly shouldn't give them the satisfaction.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 01:04 PM

14. the notion is predicated on the fact these shits

have set themselves apart from and superior to the rest of animal kingdom, and they exist in an alternate reality in which they can destroy other animals at will, usually facilitated with religion.

in a related matter, these trump evangelicals actually worship rush more than jesus - the pundiots are wrong as usual.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 01:06 PM

15. posted it on my FB wall

and why not? it's 100% factual and verifiable for both Nazi's quoted.

Our side has facts and truth and doesn't have to resort to FAKE NEWS!

-90% Jimmy

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 01:21 PM

17. Kicking

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Thu May 17, 2018, 01:52 PM

23. But all them illegals need to be treated as criminals, doncha know.

 

Even the children.

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Thu May 17, 2018, 01:53 PM

24. It's a clear step toward genocide, but feel free to endorse it.

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Response to unblock (Reply #24)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:06 PM

27. And if you see some of the hate being passed around the Twittersphere today...

You'd think a good majority of the Trumpanzees would support it at this point. Holy fuck.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 01:36 PM

21. Recently I watched a documentary on the history channel,

that featured Anna Franks stepsister, I believe her name was Eva or something like that. Her mother had married Anna Franks father after he was freed from the concentration camp. Anna's father was the only member of the family that survived. Anyway, I took note that she (Eva) outright said that Trump and his campaign very much reminded her of Hitler and his rise in Germany. She feared for what would happen in America if he became president. The country would go down the same path as Germany did. She was right on the money.

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Thu May 17, 2018, 02:10 PM

29. Context doesn't matter...if Trump does not explain and apologize for this statement..

You cannot explain it for Trump...Trump needs to explain it for himself..If he is honest, and if it is indeed the context that you discuss, it will be clear....


...IF TRUMP DOES NOT EXPLAIN AND MAKE IT CLEAR....AS THIS SPREADS AROUND THE COUNTRY..THEN HE HAS SHOT HIMSELF IN THE FACE..

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Response to Name removed (Reply #38)

Thu May 17, 2018, 03:08 PM

43. No. It is wrong to call any human being an animal.

MS-13 are depraved human beings who do monstrous things. They are a sobering reminder of what human beings are capable of.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #25)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:17 PM

35. Welcome to DU - 2 posts!

Say hi to your pals at Internet Research Agency for me.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #25)

Thu May 17, 2018, 03:26 PM

45. Uh-huh...

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Response to Name removed (Reply #25)

Thu May 17, 2018, 04:22 PM

52. Bull Shit. If only he hadn't kept out children and adults trying to escape MS-13....

or repatriated children and adults who are threatened by MS-13.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142061555

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:04 PM

26. THIS IS IT...!!!!!!......Trump will have to apologize for this...and if he doesn't..

then Republican Party ...............will have to defend him, or attack him.....


Trumps boat hit the iceberg, and he doesn't know it yet......

I THINK THIS IS IT.......!!!!!!!!!!!!!

..and also......................Republicans know,... it, but haven't yet decided what to do.....

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #26)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:16 PM

33. There's a huge gash under the waterline; the engine room is flooding,

and he's fucking demanding another Margarita in his deck chair.

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Response to Stuart G (Reply #26)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:11 PM

62. His supporters don't care.

 

He doesn't need to be defended... Like Trump said, he could shoot someone and not lose a vote, and apparently not be invited either.

And there's actually precedent for that; Cheney shot someone and not a damn thing happened.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:08 PM

28. I just realized how much Stephen Miller looks like Goebbels.

He's so creepy.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #28)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:15 PM

32. Yeah, many have commented on that.

He acts like Goebbels too.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #32)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:16 PM

34. Yep. nt

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:12 PM

30. He's like a Nazi, minus some of that fancy book-learnin'. n/t

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:14 PM

31. As usual, when Turd ridicules somebody, he's describing himself.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 02:31 PM

37. And for the 7,505th Time, Imagine the Major Outcry From the Right If Obama....

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 03:00 PM

41. Remember what happened to Goebbels and his family?

He shot them and himself when the allies got into Berlin and were almost at his front door. Hitler, Eva Braun and their dog took poison to die. They were too cowardly to face justice. I wonder what the fucking moron will do when they come for him. He is the biggest coward on the planet (typical bully behavior).

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #41)

Thu May 17, 2018, 04:14 PM

50. Joseph, Magda Goebbels & 7 children. Cyanide & gunshot suicide at the end.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #50)

Thu May 17, 2018, 04:18 PM

51. I thought that he shot them and then himself.

Thanks for letting me know. What do you think tRump will do...go quietly with the police or run and hide?

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #51)

Thu May 17, 2018, 04:46 PM

53. 6 kids (not 7, I wrote) took morphine, then cyanide; parents gunshots

The Goebbels children were the five daughters and one son born to Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels and his wife Magda Goebbels. The children, born between 1932 and 1940, were murdered by their parents in Berlin on 1 May 1945, the day both parents committed suicide.
Magda Goebbels had an older son, Harald Quandt, from a previous marriage to Günther Quandt. Then aged 23, he was not present when his younger half-siblings were killed. *Harold was added to the family portrait later, posed in uniform in the back. He survived the war, the only child of Magda Goebbels to do so. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harald_Quandt



..On the following day, Magda and Joseph Goebbels arranged for an SS dentist, Helmut Kunz, to inject their six children with morphine so that, when they were unconscious, ampules of cyanide could be crushed in their mouths. According to Kunz's later testimony, he gave the children morphine injections, but it was Magda and SS-Obersturmbannführer Ludwig Stumpfegger, Hitler's personal doctor, who administered the cyanide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_children

..At around 20:30, Goebbels and Magda left the bunker and walked up to the garden of the Chancellery, where they committed suicide. There are several different accounts of this event. According to one account, Goebbels shot Magda and then himself. Another account was that they each bit on a cyanide ampule and were given a coup de grâce immediately afterwards. Goebbels' SS adjutant Günther Schwägermann testified in 1948 that they walked ahead of him up the stairs and out into the Chancellery garden. He waited in the stairwell and heard the shots sound. Schwägermann then walked up the remaining stairs and, once outside, saw their lifeless bodies. Following Goebbels' prior order, Schwägermann had an SS soldier fire several shots into his body, which did not move.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #51)

Thu May 17, 2018, 05:26 PM

54. The Goebbels accomplished their plan, someway! Grisly but determined.

Magda's first son Harold Quandt by her marriage to the mega industrialist Gunther Quandt, survived the war, ran the family business empire and has wealthy descendants today, from the wiki.

Dunno about the powerful, and the current regime with such narcisissism and self adulation usually includes strong survival instinct as well. Assisted flight is a favorite of many persons in history.. New Zealand has become a survivalist refuge for many Silicon Valley elites and others around the world according to some sources. They have private airstrips there for their planes, and much land to raise that grass fed beef, etc. Well set.

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #54)

Thu May 17, 2018, 05:36 PM

55. They have enough money to go and HIDE almost anyplace

but they are sort of easy to pick out of a crowd. They'll likely get off without any charges or fines and live long lives where they and their families continue to get richer. Where is karma when you need it?

Lawrence Tribe just told Nicole Wallace that Mueller should seal the indictments until 2020 or even 2024 and he is out of office. That way he will get convicted and sent to the pokey since he won't be impeached. A Dem congressman has the same opinion. I forget what his name was (maybe Schiff).

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 03:57 PM

47. OMG. Is this true? Did he say that?

It's worse than I thought. Of all the things he's said, this is one of the most horrific. OMG. But I listened to that video of Trump that the OP links to. Trump doesn't say that in that video. ???

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 07:58 PM

57. Anyone have a source for this alleged Goebbels quote? I Googled it and found nothing.

nt

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Response to ashtonelijah (Reply #57)

Thu May 17, 2018, 11:13 PM

63. Here you go.

 

There's links in the tweet.




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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 09:17 PM

58. guess the Goebbels version....

was too wordy for him....

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Thu May 17, 2018, 10:43 PM

60. Just because he talks like a Nazi, acts like a Nazi, and openly admires Nazis,

does that make him a Nazi? OK, maybe it does. However, he may have some good qualities, too. You know, Hitler liked puppies. Was that evil? No. Although, now that I think about it, I heard somewhere that Trump doesn't like puppies. Hmm.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Fri May 18, 2018, 03:55 AM

64. I fucking hate neo nazis. Asses like Goebbels were tried by a world court (including the great USA)

and found guilty! guilty! guilty! of being vile, evil, soulless, heartless, selfish, racists, assholes AND ten were put to death.
Yeah, Goebbels-ball-less wasn't tried; that's because he was a sissy and took his own life--as well as the lives of his wife and children. You don't get much slimier and self-centered than that.
You neo nazis will be found guilty of the same---you worthless pieces of bacteria filled slime!

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