Bill Maher New Rules: Married To The Mob

[Initech]

Another great one!

[PaulX2]

1. Excellent Bill

Good job.

[BigmanPigman]

2. I wish I could see the part of the show with his guest Robert Reich.

No one has posted it on You Tube yet. They did post the jackass from San Diego, Duncan Hunter, who I had to fast forward through. Man, I hope he isn't reelcted!

[SunSeeker]

6. Killer Mike hogged the time away from Reich.

Instead of hearing Reich's brilliance, you hear Killer Mike spout bullshit NRA talking points and proudly proclaim he did not vote for Hillary in the GE, and insist he has no regrets.

And the first part was an interview with right wing Republican asshole Duncan Hunter.

So really, the video in the OP was the only part of the show that was worth watching. But here is the full show if you want to confirm that for yourself:

[BigmanPigman]

7. I'll watch it tomorrow. Thanks!

Too bad Bill didn't try to give Reich a hand and more time to speak. That happens with Reich, along with most guests, on Hardball (MSNBC Chris Matthews). He always is polite and patiently waits for people to stop interrupting him.

[betsuni]

8. Killer Mike ... ugh, he mindlessly believes propaganda.

Sad.

[Martin Eden]

9. Bill really pissed me off last night

He did not come prepared to refute that Repuke's bullshit talking points.

When asked about the skyrocketing deficit with R's in charge Hunter said it was necessary to fund the military which had been suffering training casualties due to lack of funding under Obama -- and Maher essentially let him get away with it.

Hunter defended Trump pulling out of the Iran deal by stating inspections aren't allowed at some military installations and that Iran has enough low grade uranium to strap onto a large missile -- and Maher didn't point out that without the deal there were no inspections and Iran had stockpiles of more highly processed uranium with centrifuges to process more.

Bill really needs to spend more time doing his homework than toking up before the show. He let that Repuke get away with far too much bullshit.

[Paladin]

10. I gave up on Maher's show some time back.

Especially glad I missed last night's travesty, which I understand had some serious NRA pimping in it. Life's too short for that bullshit.

[Martin Eden]

11. Killer Mike had some points about the disarming of blacks

Historically, law enforcement has not been on the side of the AA community and we're still a long way from equal justice.

But Mike is off the rails in opposing an assault weapons ban by asserting they're needed to match the firepower of police. A shooting war against law enforcement is the same kind of dangerous fantasy indulged by rightwing militias who believe in "2nd Amendment remedies" against our federal government.

Robert Reich was dwarfed by Mike's enormous physical presence and hogging of the conversation.

Bill's show still has some good moments and laughs, but he falls far short of cutting through the bullshit when he allows so much of it to pass inadequately challenged.

[Paladin]

12. Well stated. (nt)

[Hoyt]

51. I thought Maher laughed in Hunter's face on almost every issue, as did the audience.

[Martin Eden]

53. Laughing in his face is derision, not refutation

The best take-down is to destroy the bullshit talking points with facts & logic. I have no doubt Hunter is very pleased with his performance and his followers are crowing about it.

[Hoyt]

54. Waste of time to refute a white wing racist. Besides, almost anyone that watches Maher's show

has not tolerance for the likes of hunter.

Were you convinced by Hunter's BS? I bet not. And 99% of viewers weren't either.

Derision is fine, that's all they deserve.

[Martin Eden]

55. It's a bigger waste of time having him on the show

And letting his bullshit pass largely unchallenged.

Either way, that Repuke is on the show for x-minutes. Why not use that time to refute, rather than merely deride?

The way to defeat liars on the bigger stage is to consistently call them out on their lies, prove them wrong, and run their face in it.

[ancianita]

13. Reich and I support everything Killer Mike had to say, which liberal whites very much need to hear.

Reich may not agree with every point, but he definitely understands.

Unlike Reich, I agree with every last thing Mike had to say.

I also believe that Reich and Maher knew very well that Killer Mike needed last night's platform for his very important messages to blacks and liberal whites. First, that the stealth history of disarming blacks in order to do them harm has also disarmed their spirits and courage, and arming themselves is the equalizer before terrorists; the second, are current state-level attempts to do their children harm in the school-to-prison pipeline mentality of white supremacists, who'd choose to weaponize schools.

To terrorize previous generations of blacks over their constitutional rights to life and bear arms, and then to terrorize their children in police or mass shootings absolutely does call for the kinds of marijuana business reparations Killer Mike calls for.

We all need this country to act to continue to heal its racial divide.

Reich is for reparations, whites need to make reconciliation and reparations, and blacks need to determine what they consider fair.

Killer Mike's proposal is solid.

[Martin Eden]

14. What about Mike's stated need for assault weapons ...

... to match the firepower of police?

An arms race in a shooting war with the police is madness.

Does he also oppose universal background checks?

Loose purchase laws enable straw buyers to flood the streets with guns which take a terrible toll on the AA community. I'm a lifelong resident of Chicagoland who is sick of kids getting killed on a regular basis.

[ancianita]

22. Yep, I agree with that, too. Because he's right: ALL guns are for assault, differing only by degree.

I've lived and worked in Chicago since 1973, and I see what goes on as symptom of its other problems, which are race-based and anti-working class corporatist.

[SunSeeker]

30. No, a single action hunting rifle differs massively from an AR

It cannot take large capacity magazines. It cannot spray out 90 high velocity flesh-ripping bullets a minute. It cannot be used to mow down entire crowds in minutes. A single action hunting rifle is not a mass murder machine like an AR.

[Martin Eden]

38. You and Killer Mike side with the NRA. You are entitled to your views.

But I could not disagree more strongly (except the third part of your sentence).

Gun violence has many root causes -- all of which have to be addressed -- including the proliferation of firearms which take a steady toll in Chicago and elsewhere, in addition to the mass shootings which get so much attention.

The idea that assault weapons (defined as high capacity rifles with a high rate of fire) are needed for battling the police is just plain insane. It would end badly for everyone involved.

Let's be clear we are not talking about banning and confiscating all firearms or returning to the disgraceful history when African Americans were targeted for disarmament by police. In the long term I would like to see much more stringent laws than mainstream Dems currently advocate, but I recognize that many feel a legitimate need for self protection in our gun mad society (even though a gun in the house is much more likely to harm or kill a family member than an intruder).

In the short term we need universal background and transfer of title for every gun sale, commercial or private. The background check system would have to be carefully monitored to ensure people are not denied based on race or economic status, and there has to be affordable recourse for challenges.

Stop the illicit flow that is killing so many of the people Mike is trying to represent, and ban the kind of weapons which greatly increase the body count by mass shooters.

Lives hang in the balance.

[ancianita]

43. Don't agree with you, yet understand where he's coming from about whose lives hang in the balance.

[Martin Eden]

48. Understand where Mike's coming from?

Perhaps I misunderstood Killer Mike when I watched and listened to him on Maher's show. I was under the impression he opposed an assault weapons because he felt the need to be as heavily armed as the police.

This suggests to me these assault weapons are for doing battle with the police or somehow preventing the kind of unjustified shootings we have seen.

Did I misunderstanding what he meant?

[ancianita]

50. No. You get it. As I said below, until 20% of this criminalized citizenry feel safer, I support

their use of the Second Amendment against the racists who use it against them.

Guns are tools of either oppression or liberation.

The shit will hit the fan, or maybe it won't. Mike knows this.

But racism costs, and it's about time this country either made reparations or let the violence (which is the midwife of history, someone once said) play out.

I stand with him on all that.

[LittleGirl]

17. Thank you. I agree with you. n/t

[SunSeeker]

21. Really? You agree with voting 3rd party in the GE like Killer Mike did?!

Is that what you did?!

[LittleGirl]

23. No, hell no. I voted for Hillary like most of the people on this board.

I agree that AA will continue to get shot by white supremacists and cops.

[ancianita]

24. No. Not that. But by everything I mean everything on the gun issue.

We straight now?

[SunSeeker]

26. We are certainly not in agreement on the "gun issue." nt

[ancianita]

28. Mikes's gun issue is inextricable to the race issue. Are you not in agreement on that connection?

[SunSeeker]

31. I agree that all law must be enforced without racial discrimination.

That is different than saying I agree with all laws. I certainly do not think civilians should have assault weapons.

[ancianita]

33. When they're outlawed, guess which race will still have access to them. Reality. He gets it.

[SunSeeker]

36. Ah, so why outlaw anything, right?

[ancianita]

42. Right. Except, for blacks, they have, and he has every reason to think they would again.

[SunSeeker]

44. That old NRA mantra that gun control only stops good people is bullshit.

African Americans are disproportionately the victims of our country's weak gun laws.

[ancianita]

47. Right. That's exactly what Mike is reminding blacks and liberal whites about.

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[SunSeeker]

57. No, Killer Mike is mouthing bullshit NRA talking points. nt

[ancianita]

58. Knock off your grind. He speaks to causes for arming blacks, not NRA anything. Always has.

[SunSeeker]

59. Claiming gun control will only stop African Americans and good people from getting guns is NRA bull.

Neither you nor anything else will stop me from calling out bullshit, no matter who is spouting it.

[SunSeeker]

19. OFFS, Reich did not agree with everything Killer Mike had to say.

When he was able to slip in a few words in between Killer Mike's rants, Reich tried to explain that Killer Mike not voting for Hillary in the general election in our winner take all system was like voting for Trump. Killer Mike helped put us in the mess we are in.

If you agree with Killer Mike on that point, then you are on the wrong site.

Nor did Reich agree with Killer Mike's opposition to an assault weapons ban. As Reich pointed out, during the 10 years we had an assault weapons ban in place (from 1994 to 2004) we had significantly less mass shootings. Killer Mike just spouted bullshit NRA talking points that there is no such thing as an assault weapon and that AR's differences from a regular rifle are just cosmetic ("looks" ). What bullshit.

Killer Mike is doing nothing to "heal the racial divide." Spouting NRA bullshit about guns and voting 3rd party only helped put Trump in office, normalizing racism. Killer Mike is hurting, not helping.

[ancianita]

27. Right, he didn't, but he backed off on whitesplainin' and heard Killer Mike out.

I heard Reich's points about assault weapons, and yet I bet he'd agree that the white supremacist and demented causes of mass shootings feed precisely into why blacks need to keep the defensive, armed posture in the US now.

Be honest.
Are you white?
Is that why you can be outraged and call bullshit?
Because your people aren't on the receiving end of hundreds of years of armed terrorism?

Killer Mike is standing up when liberal whites won't.

What he does is what democracy requires. Country over party.

[SunSeeker]

34. OFFS. Telling someone not to vote 3rd party in our system is not "whitesplaining."

The majority of white people voted for Trump. And the idiots who voted third party were mostly white as well.

African Americans, and in particular African American women, voted overwhelmingly for Hillary. They obviously got it and needed no explaining. Killer Mike was the aberration. He is a fucking idiot. Sadly, it appears all the explaining in the world will not get through to him.

[ancianita]

35. I didn't say what whitesplainin' is, so you can back off in telling me what I mean.

[SunSeeker]

37. LOL

[smirkymonkey]

46. Ugh, that was painful!

What an ignorant asshole!

[LittleGirl]

18. He really didn't have a chance to say much

Mike took away the show. I was disappointed that Robert didn't enough 'air' time at the end.

[world wide wally]

3. I figure that our a long time ago

construction?
New York?
Billions of $$$$?

What else?

[Initech]

16. Don Trumpleone

Don't double cross him or you'll get the cement shoes!

[SunSeeker]

4. K & R

[colorado_ufo]

5. Nailed it.

This was EPIC!

[BeyondGeography]

15. Awesome eom

[ladym55]

20. Yep. The Donald is a common thug

That piece was brilliant. And all the white folks in the heartland ... they have been SO had. Too bad the rest of us will suffer as the result of their incredible stupid.

[SunSeeker]

25. Yup. And we're suffering from the incredible stupidity of those who voted 3rd party.

Like Killer Mike and Susan Saradon.

[ancianita]

32. He had the nomination theft as his reason, which was a pretty strong reason from his p.o.v.

He did not engage in Hillary hate like Sarandon; he simply walked away from what he thought was a party establishment's cheat to get its candidate into the general.

And don't think I'm going to re-fight the election over this. The focus is on Mike's character.

I'd welcome his energy and outlook back into this party any time.
We can use all the black leadership we can get.

[SunSeeker]

45. Even if there was "nomination theft" (there wasn't), how does that justify voting 3rd party?

How does that justify essentially VOTING FOR TRUMP?!

What kind of "character" does that show? Spitefulness? Stupidity?

Killer Mike is not a leader. He is a joke. He is part of the reason we have Trump and why we are in the mess we are in.

[ancianita]

49. Your vitriolic disagreement with him disallows his rejoining his old party. It's not productive.

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I despised "by any means necessary" DWS, but I still voted for Hillary; yet, every day of my life I can see how blacks must demand liberals in general, and whites in particular in this party, stop the nicey-nicey bullshit crap lip service -- that two-faced bullshit from the Bill Clinton days, well documented in The New Jim Crow -- and actually step up to specifically remedy patterns of racial discrimination on blacks' advancement. The law all the way up to the Supreme Court has settled that it's now up to The People to solve black people's problems, however that goes.

Why should black kids get criminalized about their appearance in public schools. Why should a president's fist bump be announced as "terrorist." Why should stop and frisk be the m.o. of police. Why should "mistaken" SWATS and highway stop deaths be endured with no cost to stupid-at-best uniformed "guards" of whatever.

Seriously.

Blacks in America are subject to official state terrorism. Yeah, I said it.

I hate the criminalized state of 20% of Americans way more than the uncomfortable gun stand of this well known, well respected member of the black celebrity class.

You don't like it? Fine. I don't care how outraged you are about Mike's position. My position is that the rest of us have to support however blacks want to stop their criminalization. Extreme times for blacks (which seem to come and go with high regularity) call for their extreme readiness.

You can call Killer Mike every damned name in the book, hate him all you want, but his right to life, liberty and justice (for all) are the spirit of his message on Bill Maher, however you want to exclude him with your democratic purity.

[SunSeeker]

56. No, Killer Mike's stupidity prevents him from "rejoining" the Democratic Party. nt

[MaryMagdaline]

29. Best New Rules in years

[cp]

39. Absolutely brilliant

Best, shortest summary of The Don as mob boss yet. I figured it out a while back, but this is one stylish takedown.

[Uncle Joe]

40. That's a sound analogy

Thanks for the thread Initech

[colsohlibgal]

41. Rings Totally True

Just like last week where he read through the ten signs you were in a Fascist regime and Trump checked 9 of those boxes.

This isn’t funny anymore. And the legislators and voters who still are with him are culpable, collaberaters in my book. How pliable, bought off, or stupid you must be to be OK with this.

We are in a real fight for the Soul of our Nation.

[kentuck]

52. One of Maher's best!

He nails it!