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Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:26 AM

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Trump Slaps 30% Tariffs on Solar Panels in Major Blow to Renewable Energy

Todayís Energy Jobs Are in Solar, Not Coal

Solar power in the United States



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Reply Pic Of The Moment: You May Be Surprised To Know That... (Original post)
EarlG Jan 2018 OP
Johonny Jan 2018 #1
Sophia4 Jan 2018 #23
dlk Jan 2018 #2
Still In Wisconsin Jan 2018 #4
Irish_Dem Jan 2018 #6
BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #17
Still In Wisconsin Jan 2018 #3
Metro135 Jan 2018 #5
Initech Jan 2018 #7
irisblue Jan 2018 #13
sinkingfeeling Jan 2018 #8
JDC Jan 2018 #9
VaBchTgerLily Jan 2018 #10
C Moon Jan 2018 #15
SeaDem55 Jan 2018 #11
yuiyoshida Jan 2018 #12
gademocrat7 Jan 2018 #14
Gothmog Jan 2018 #16
BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #18
rolypolychloe Jan 2018 #19
aggiesal Jan 2018 #25
Fritz Walter Jan 2018 #20
Victor_c3 Jan 2018 #21
KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2018 #28
Beartracks Jan 2018 #22
Martin Eden Jan 2018 #24
LiberalLovinLug Jan 2018 #26
nolabels Jan 2018 #27
argyl Jan 2018 #29

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:36 AM

1. What we can place tariffs on-renewable energy. What we can't-cheap hats, shirts, and ties.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #1)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:21 PM

23. Right. Does Trump still produce his junk in other countries including China?

 

How about Ivanka? Has she moved production to the US? Is she hiring Americans workers?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:36 AM

2. Yet, Economic Realities Aside, Trump & the GOP Are Pushing Our Country Backward

They are in a race toward the Dark Ages (no pun intended). Where is their storied business acumen?

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Response to dlk (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:40 AM

4. Drumpf's vaunted "business acumen" can be summarized as thus:

(1) Make impossible promises, borrow lots of money
(2) Break promises, refuse to pay debts and threaten lawsuit(s)
(3) Take the money (for himself) and run.

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Response to Still In Wisconsin (Reply #4)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:50 AM

6. Exactly. On your (2) you could add "file for bankruptcy"

"Stiff all the venders and clients, customers."

This is a common business strategy.
Doesn't involved actually providing a service or product.
But just gaming the system, cheating, lying and robbing others.
All done legally.

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Response to dlk (Reply #2)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:37 PM

17. It's more like The Business Acumen Of The Moment.

Grab as much as you can, while you can, and to hell with the long- or even medium-term consequences. This is most clearly evidenced in extremely short-sighted corporate decisions and strangely-weighted accounting procedures that temporarily boost apparent profitability.

The facade only has to last until bonuses are calculated and paid.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:37 AM

3. Thanks, Dump. Is this more "Art of the Deal?"

Fuck you.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:42 AM

5. Fuck this Bastard

Why is the Republican Party so intent on destroying the Earth? Do they really think the future of energy is in OIL and COAL?!

Evolve assholes!!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 11:56 AM

7. Fuck you republicans! Fuck you very much!

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Response to Initech (Reply #7)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:34 PM

13. Plus a million Intech

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:03 PM

8. Why is the president even given the sole power to slap tariffs on anything?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:17 PM

9. Trying to force us to use fossil fuels. Not gonna work

Fuck You Scott Pruitt and R's

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:25 PM

10. and just yet another way Trump is Making our country Not Great!

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Response to VaBchTgerLily (Reply #10)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:32 PM

15. Ha! Perfect!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:30 PM

11. I Hope Mar A S-Hole Burns

 

Like the houses in my "valley"....

Forest fire central.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:31 PM

12. Donald J. Trump DOESN'T GIVE A FUCK... HE is President only to ROB

AMERICANS OF THEIR MONEY, MAKE HIMSELF RICH, AND PLAY GOLF the rest of his term.. AND IF HE RUINS THIS COUNTRY TO HIM, ITS NO BIG FUCKING DEAL. He couldn't care less.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 12:48 PM

14. We want to move forward

Not backwards. Possum Pruitt and Chump are destroying our country.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:35 PM

16. K&R

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:39 PM

18. Everyone has known for some time that he is shameless.

This is just another in a long line of "So what? I can do what I want." moments. Sickening and disheartening, but they all are.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:42 PM

19. I am ashamed to say that I agree with the tariff

We used to have a solar panel industry. I was following a company called Nanosolar for a long time. Then the Chinese started dumping their panels on the U.S. and blew them and all the other solar panel companies out of the water. Now, maybe, we can bring that manufacturing back to the U.S.

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Response to rolypolychloe (Reply #19)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 05:22 PM

25. I'm not ashamed, I completely agree with the tariff system ...

Tariffs are suppose to protect local manufacturers from oversea's companies, from dumping
their cheaply made products onto our economy.

If it costs $10 to make a pair of shoes in the US, and only $2 by another country,
a tariff of $8 would be applied to make both shoes equal in value, and then the better
quality pair of shoes would sell more.

The problem with this tariff, it is not designed to equalize the value of oversea's products
with the US made products, it is to make COAL cheaper for the consumer to buy and Solar more
expensive than coal.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:47 PM

20. This has the Koch-sucking Bros. fingerprints ALL over it!

Itís not enough that they got huge tax relief, they ó and other fossil-fuel interests ó found a back door to gut the 30% federal tax credit that homeowners receive when they install rooftop solar. Drumpf couldnít roll that back without going to Congress, so heís using his poison pen. How soon before we end up buying oil from Russia?



Get out every last fucking vote in November!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:59 PM

21. Im going to have to do some more in depth reading about this

I know that there is a big solar panel factory in Toledo, OH that I drive by when I visit my family.

To be honest, I kind of appreciate a little protectionism in this case. I donít like what itíll do to fossil fuels and their consumption in the US, but I appreciate what it could do for decent manufacturing jobs.

I really am going to have to research how this might affect our nation. I donít know enough to have an informed opinion.

Did I say I hate trump? Well, I do. This is the closest I think Iíve ever been to agreeing with any of his decisions. Well, I 100% agree with his decision to wear pants, but that goes without saying...

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #21)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 03:50 AM

28. Good article here.....

with some good general perspectives:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/jan/23/donald-trump-tariffs-solar-panels

As an engineer, I suspect this is a very bad decision.


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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:07 PM

22. Even if Trump *could* get coal jobs back...

... (which he can't and won't), what would be the point of doing so if his policies lose an even greater number of jobs in another part of the energy sector?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 02:28 PM

24. Trump needs to stop trying to be the biggest asshole on the planet

He already ranks #1.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 07:04 PM

26. What a stupid sack of shit

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Jan 23, 2018, 08:10 PM

27. Won't work, just like everything else including tea and automobiles......

we will get what we want and need from the " don't give a shit capitalist system" we live in and this will be the case no matter whatever any two-bit pompous ass thinks.

I got my house solarized six years ago when prices were twice as high and it is still paying off. My grid makes more than I can use for my household so instead of just letting the electric company rip me off for the extra the grid makes I went got an electric car to take care of that issue. Now I will pay just a little to the electric company till I figure out how much more panel I will need for the powering the car

Instead of people letting the system do them they should get out and do the system.

Perfect is the enemy of good enough.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Jan 24, 2018, 01:28 PM

29. Either hes getting a big bribe from big oil or Putins blackmailing him.

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