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Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:14 AM

CNN in Trump Country

Don't they understand Trump is just making things worse for them...the Democrats need to come out with a Marshall plan for rural and urban areas of this country.

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Reply CNN in Trump Country (Original post)
videohead5 Dec 2017 OP
bearsfootball516 Dec 2017 #1
democratisphere Dec 2017 #2
bpositive Dec 2017 #3
ailsagirl Dec 2017 #9
tazkcmo Dec 2017 #16
BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #4
bpositive Dec 2017 #12
BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #14
bpositive Dec 2017 #23
Dustlawyer Dec 2017 #5
mentalslavery Dec 2017 #6
Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #7
BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #17
Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #24
BigmanPigman Dec 2017 #25
Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #27
lunasun Dec 2017 #31
tomhagen Dec 2017 #8
BumRushDaShow Dec 2017 #15
bitterross Dec 2017 #10
videohead5 Dec 2017 #11
The Wielding Truth Dec 2017 #13
videohead5 Dec 2017 #19
2naSalit Dec 2017 #20
negoldie Dec 2017 #21
2naSalit Dec 2017 #22
The Wielding Truth Dec 2017 #29
yuiyoshida Dec 2017 #18
JI7 Dec 2017 #26
TNLib Dec 2017 #28
lunasun Dec 2017 #30
Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #32

Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:24 AM

1. There's no use trying to resonate with Trump voters

They're lost causes. Focus on the Democratic base.

Politico did an article about a month ago about a small town in rural Pennsylvania where residents don't really believe Trump will keep any of his promises and fully believe their lives will get worse with him in office, but they support him 100 percent anyway.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/08/donald-trump-johnstown-pennsylvania-supporters-215800

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:26 AM

2. Hope with no change.

Stockholm Syndrome.

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 09:51 AM

3. I'm conflicted

I am empathetic to there situation but believe that they have the power to help themselves by voting for people that will represent them and policies that help them. Yet they vote against there own self interest and are proud of it.

I just don't get it. 😉

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Response to bpositive (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 01:21 PM

9. I think it's that cognitive dissonance thing... in spades

I don't understand it either, but I know that there is a huge problem on their part in perceiving reality.

Very strange.

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Response to bpositive (Reply #3)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:59 PM

16. No conflict here

These are some stupid mfers.

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:31 AM

4. I think it is flawed to believe we know what their "self interest" is

I.e., we assume what should be their "self interest", but the reality is more stark. There's a lot of denial about their thinking which is apparently along the lines of wanting someone willing to "attack and take back what is 'rightfully theirs from other'", in order to fulfill an epiphany of more for them.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #4)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 03:25 PM

12. Not sure about the 'assuming' part

Watching the video it is apparently clear that self interest included needing medical care and needing jobs. They voted for someone who is looking to either eliminate or make unaffordable medical care. They also voted for someone who has had multiple bankruptcies. What were they expecting to happen once ha became president? Suddenly change his behaviors that he has been exhibiting his whole life?

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Response to bpositive (Reply #12)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:23 PM

14. There is often a difference between what people "say" publicly in an interview

or on TV and what they really mean and "want" to happen to reach those goals. I.e., they are internally prioritizing their concerns and expecting that the solving of something else will lead to the solving of what the "say" they "want/need".

What they expected is apparently someone who looks like them, dresses like them, talks smack like them, refuses to back down, presumably doesn't take any shit, and looks the part of someone who can "control fate" with a whip. Sortof like this guy -



Of course we know what often happens to guys like the above (e.g., Siegfried & Roy) - http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=7005903&page=1

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #14)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:29 PM

23. Agree was th your premise

I'm a straight shooter... I say what I mean and mean what I say. I guess, naively, that I assume others would do that too.

I'm not a mind reader, but I suspect that basic human instinct is to want to be happy, healthy and feel useful i.e gainfully employed. By placing there vote for Trump or republicans in general, they will get the complete opposite I.e. Voting against their own self interest.

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:45 AM

5. I kept waiting for the reporter to mention that Trump has both Houses of Congress and the

leader of the Senate, Mitch "Turtle Head" McConnell, is from Kentucky, but no, she did not.

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 12:04 PM

6. Stupid is as stupid does...

 

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 12:13 PM

7. Hey, girlie, girl! You need to LEAVE TOWN to get a decent paying job.

You don't stay in a recession area and expect to get paid well. It DOES NOT HAPPEN.

Young people, after they become educated or skilled, are supposed to go looking for good jobs, wherever that takes them.

This is also true for the working class inner city youth. You have to go where the economy is good, jobs are plentiful, and the cost of living is reasonable. You put your stuff in your old car, and head out. Get a cheap apartment and a job. Then move to a better job. Then work your a__ off, and move to a better job. (Preferably get the apt. and job before you move somewhere.)

She might not even have to move very far. Depends on where the nearest large city is.

I just don't get sitting where you are, and waiting for someone to do something. Even if things turned around there, it would be years before the effects would be felt.

The situation for older people who are settled, homeowners, too old to get good jobs elsewhere, have health problems. But for the young people, it's just necessary to move sometimes.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #7)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 05:42 PM

17. That used to be true but not for the past 20 years.

For whatever reason they choose to stay. I read an article about it and the millennials' mindset. Young and even the old are staying put even though it is financially never going to "pay off". There is no more moving to where the jobs are which was the norm during the history of the US. Only recently has this changed.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #17)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:15 PM

24. That's her problem. I moved. Had to, for a job that paid decently and a future.

It's interesting, the mindset not to move. My family took it as a rejection of them. I didn't understand that. I had to move to get a job that paid anything. Had to.

Oh, well. You can stay where you are and cry, I guess.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #24)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 10:38 PM

25. I would say , "Good, stay home and cry

all you want" but when this current group of voters chose to believe pie- in- the-sky BS that "the GOP is going to bring jobs back to them so stay put and vote for us" and they believe the con artists, then the entire country suffers due to a minority's unrealistic mindset AND THEY ACTUALLY VOTE!

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #25)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:09 PM

27. You got that right. I moved in a recession, got a decent job, and I registered to vote.

Reagan's 2nd term. The recession had hit big. It would have been stupid to stay where I was, with double digit unemployment & low wages, and WAIT for a miracle.

(Unfortunately, Bush Sr won the next election, what with Dukakis being the Dem. candidate and all.) But at least he ran against the voodoo economics of Reagan's trickle down tax cuts, and he raised taxes.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #24)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 12:03 PM

31. Same thoughts when watching this -see post #30

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 12:21 PM

8. Why would they have ever thought a narcissistic billionaire would give a rats ass about them?

 

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Response to tomhagen (Reply #8)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:28 PM

15. See your sig graphic?

THAT is what they "see". Someone who bursts into a situation and "takes charge". We call that kind of behavior rude. They call it "strong and assertive". I.e., "USA!!11!!1 USA!!11!!1 USA!11!!!".

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 01:39 PM

10. One lady said something very true. She sees congress standing in the way.

 

While 45 is easy to pound on, all of us know he's only a symptom of the larger problem. All of us here on DU are well aware that the President does not make laws. The president can't even introduce a bill in either house.

Yes, when an effective leader is the President things are easier to get done. Reality is that the President is very temporary. The congress, on the other hand, has become the cancer that needs to be eradicated. Congress people who make it a life-long career are a big problem.

So why the f*uck do they keep voting for Mitch McConnell - career politician?

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 01:46 PM

11. The Republicans are just

Giving away the store in tax cuts to corporations when with some strings attached you can solve these problems with tax free zones for 5 to 10 years in these rural areas and making sure they are wired for high speed internet.they have got to have just one industry open in this town and it will solve the problem.

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 04:22 PM

13. Can't Kentucky subsidize Obama-care so that woman can afford her insurance?

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:00 PM

19. They must

Make too much to get a subsidy.

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Response to The Wielding Truth (Reply #13)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:22 PM

20. they HAD it...

but the R Gov who recently took over trashed the program, It was one of the better state plans going for a while. They called it some other name so Obamaphobes would not be influenced by the name.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:57 PM

21. It was called Kynect

I find it hard to believe this woman looked very hard for insurance. That, or she didn't know what she was looking for.....her husband can't add her to his policy for less than $600 a month? When my wife retired about five years ago she was paying $50 a week to keep me on her insurance. United Health I believe. Normal shit $15 co-pay at the doctor $45 for a specialist. Hospitalization, hell it was fairly good insurance. BTW Beatyville is only 50 miles southeast of where I live. I smell BS about her insurance. I believe she heard it on hate radio, or Fox. A lot of folks think that shopping for insurance is too hard, (maybe this lady was too lazy to look for affordable insurance) but up until the republican administration two years ago we had what were called Kynectors, that helped you fill out the forms, helped find your best deal etc......her story smells fishy.

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Response to negoldie (Reply #21)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 07:05 PM

22. Thanks for sahring that

Knowing all that you imparted, I think the fishy smell is a good call.

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #20)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 07:42 AM

29. Yet these people still remain Republicans. Go figure...

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 06:00 PM

18. This is all due to people listening to Right wing Radio and

Watching Fox News, which has brain washed them so thoroughly that they don't know any longer the difference between truth and lies... the Sheeple who watch Fox News are hooked mentally and told how to think and what to say... and when it affects them personally they learn to blame it on Democrats, people of color and non Christians.

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:00 PM

26. They only support the plans if blacks and mexicans would excluded

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sat Dec 16, 2017, 11:10 PM

28. The way forward for dems is the base and moderates

If Alabama and Virginia taught us anything itís that. Who cares about Trump voters?

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Response to videohead5 (Original post)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 11:58 AM

30. "If i wanted to find work I'd have to leave here. "Another said I have 2 college degrees but can't

find work here. Bunch of young men sitting around agree there are no jobs here
"If you want nature this is the place "then talks of economic struggles. Can't have it all and expect the world of opportunity to come knock on your door.
Maybe they need to talk to some recent immigrants to this country that they hate so much for some simple life tips. Yes it means some movement and sacrifice and adapting to your new place where the jobs are . Beats crying and meth addiction

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Response to lunasun (Reply #30)

Sun Dec 17, 2017, 06:47 PM

32. +1+1+1. It's always been this way in America.

During the Great Depression, people loaded all their belongings in their jalopies and traversed the country, looking for work. College grads these days look for good jobs, and move wherever those jobs are. It's what we humans do, to make a living.

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