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Sun May 21, 2017, 06:33 PM

Must watch Joy and O'Donnell from earlier today: why Rs keep backing Trump; turned on Nixon- why?

Great discussion between Joy and Lawrence about difference between Congress now and during Nixon's time and why Rs continue to back Trump. Other good stuff too. One reason O'Donnell is so good is because of his background in politics. He knows it from the inside.



http://www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/lawrence-o-donnell-and-joy-reid-talk-trump-949657155802

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sun May 21, 2017, 06:53 PM

1. 'Who's the leader?'

There was none, before Jimmy Carter won. @ 11:40 mins.

Not good to be 'leader,' because becomes target; hence, possibles are playing it smart. (Harris, Warren.) Shape of Dem party is 'right.'

(The above from Lawrence. We NEED him!)

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sun May 21, 2017, 07:19 PM

2. Gop support of nixon did not erode...not until the end ...

 

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #2)

Sun May 21, 2017, 09:19 PM

3. Right, but I think his point is that things are so different now that we can't necessarily expect

Rs to do what they eventually did with Nixon.

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Response to Amaryllis (Reply #3)

Mon May 22, 2017, 02:01 PM

9. the 30% hardcore conservative base will keep supporting trump even if pictures of him fondling

 

little girls would ever be released....that 30% is really of NO importance as long as democrats ACT

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sun May 21, 2017, 10:04 PM

4. I'll say it again. Democrats had majorities in both houses of Congress when Nixon as impeached.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #4)

Sun May 21, 2017, 10:24 PM

5. I just watched the 1994 CBS special of Watergate. Many Repub would've forgiven him.

They said that if Nixon had just admitted his guilt, apologized and was sincere they could've moved on and maybe saved the presidency. Instead his paranoia, obsession with power and lack of respect for our country and constitution destroyed him and he lost his his party. I don't think the Repub party today has the same mentality. They are individually as self absorbed as the Donald is.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #5)

Sun May 21, 2017, 10:42 PM

7. McCain pointed out that Reagan was forgiven after Iran-Contra because ....

Because Reagan fired Oliver North and some others, and then made a speech apologizing, saying he won't make the mistake again, that he'd made a mistake, etc.

Nixon was just the opposite, with the coverup and all. He went down saying "I am not a crook." And "If the President does it, it's not illegal." (Who does that sound like? Hmmm...let me think.)

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #7)

Mon May 22, 2017, 01:39 PM

8. Good point.

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Response to Amaryllis (Original post)

Sun May 21, 2017, 10:40 PM

6. Tax Cuts. Once that's done, they'll cut him loose, if he's in trouble legally. He's a pariah.

Unless his favorability rating skyrockets, in which case they won't turn on him.

---First, money. LOTS of money.
---Second, votes from constituents.

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