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Sun Mar 26, 2017, 06:55 PM

Republican Corporations have been poisoning our food supply for Decades with Sugar

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Reply Republican Corporations have been poisoning our food supply for Decades with Sugar (Original post)
tomhagen Mar 2017 OP
LiberalArkie Mar 2017 #1
Major Nikon Mar 2017 #2
mdbl Mar 2017 #4
Major Nikon Mar 2017 #5
mdbl Mar 2017 #6
Honeycombe8 Mar 2017 #3
janterry Mar 2017 #7

Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:09 PM

1. We have not had sugar in US food for decades. Nutra Sweet and others.

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I switched to Mexican Coke and started loosing weight and feeling better.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Sun Mar 26, 2017, 07:59 PM

2. Debunked years ago

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 06:15 AM

4. I don't think Alan Aragon debunked anything

Most of what Alan Aragon sites are errors is just his opinion as he doesn't back up all of it with facts which makes his debunking rather disingenuous. Lustig correctly identifies that fact that companies have been increasing HFCS additives in processed foods and drinks for many years and feeding this to children while increasing childhood obesity while pretending it's healthy to eat it. Lustig never says for children or adults to be sedentary. For those active body types less prone to weight gain and who already eat balanced meals on their own, this sounds alarmist. But for those people, and there are millions, that are prone to weight gain and diabetes AND sugar addiction, this stuff is a killer. What Lustig did was explain to people that they have to start looking at what they are consuming in a different way, and quit watching soft drink commercials showing very fit models playing volleyball thinking the stuff won't make you fat. On top of that, the soft drink companies kept looking for ways to add more HFCS to make it even harder for those types to quit drinking it. No Alan, you don't have to be alarmist about this, you're very very fit and already on the right path. Try to remember the millions who haven't gotten there yet, but are fed a daily diet of BS by the commercial food industry to keep them buying the stuff. On top of all that, these corporations keep lobbying congress to get rid of food labeling so we can't understand what we are consuming - but we shouldn't be alarmist, oh no!

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Response to mdbl (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 01:12 AM

5. He did include facts that show Lustig was just flat wrong

Calling fructose "toxic" is most certainly alarmist and has no basis in fact or even reality. No self-respecting scientist would describe anything as toxic without relevance to dosage. One need not include any more facts than this to show Lustig's argument is decidedly alarmist, but Aragon goes further by showing the data he relies on doesn't support his conclusions.

Americans undoubtedly eat too much sugar. There's also little doubt that excessive sugar consumption contributes significantly to the obesity epidemic. However, what Lustig tries to do is demonize an even smaller subset of sugar, namely fructose, and goes even further by alleging that HFCS in particular is significantly different than other forms of sugar. All of this is and always has been speculation with little basis in fact. The danger in this nonsense is it leads people to believe (like the poster above) that if they simply switch from a product sweetened with HFCS to one sweetened with sucrose, they will lose weight and be healthier.

The part Lustig gets right is that with few exceptions, people shouldn't be getting calories from what they drink, and they should avoid all sweetened beverages and processed fruit juices. Thanks to Lustig's alarmism, people tend to miss that very important message and incorrectly think that all they have to do is substitute HFCS with something equally as bad and they will magically become healthy.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 05:10 AM

6. We will have to just disagree

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All of this is and always has been speculation with little basis in fact. The danger in this nonsense is it leads people to believe (like the poster above) that if they simply switch from a product sweetened with HFCS to one sweetened with sucrose, they will lose weight and be healthier.


I never heard this during his lecture. What I got was having fructose in concentrated quantities isn't good for obesity and diabetes and processed food companies were increasing it more and more. That's not up for argument. Furthermore, the study Aragaon sites on how the body metabolizes fructose was narrow and doesn't contradict Lustig's assertions about the effects on the liver. The fact remains our society is plagued with obesity and diabetes - and it's starting younger and younger. I see a lot of highly active fat kids. If you can think of a better culprit for these, by all means use them instead.

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Mon Mar 27, 2017, 12:30 AM

3. What people eat is up to them, though. Read labels.

I read labels. I regard anything with something with an "-ose" in it (fructose, suctose) as containing sugar.

I don't drink anything with sugar. If I drink a soda, it's Diet Coke.

I eat whole fruit. I never drink fruit juice (that is sugar concentrate).

I keep processed foods to a minimum.

The only cereals I eat are shredded wheat and grape nuts (neither has artificial ingredients or any type of added sugar).

Ice cream - only sugarfree.

Etc., etc. READ THE LABELS.

When I eat sugar, I REALLY eat sugar. As in CANDY. I go for it, usually at holiday time. And then it's over. No more sugar for me for a while. Even in regular food.

(Beef is bad, too. Linked to cancer.)

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Response to tomhagen (Original post)

Tue Mar 28, 2017, 07:02 AM

7. Thanks for posting!

In general, I'm a whole foods vegetarian cook. I eat out once in awhile and eat junk, too - also once in awhile. But I try to stay away from anything processed. This is a good reminder why

(Think I'll see if I can get my teenager to watch it .

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