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Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:43 PM

Election Fraud Special Report! (You Won't Believe This)

In the new episode of Redacted Tonight, Lee Camp covers the results of the primary election. And it’s not good news. Exit polls which are an indicator of functioning democratic elections essentially gave the United States a failing rating. Elections’ boards are desperately struggling to explain themselves as peoples ballots go uncounted and the voting machines don’t seem to be working.

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Reply Election Fraud Special Report! (You Won't Believe This) (Original post)
floppyboo Apr 2016 OP
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #1
floppyboo Apr 2016 #2
Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #4
SusanCalvin Apr 2016 #3
floppyboo May 2016 #5
SusanCalvin May 2016 #6
floppyboo May 2016 #7
dchill May 2016 #8
Dragonfli May 2016 #9
Land of Enchantment May 2016 #10
pnwmom May 2016 #11
highprincipleswork May 2016 #12
pnwmom May 2016 #13
highprincipleswork May 2016 #15
pnwmom May 2016 #16
99th_Monkey May 2016 #14
pnwmom May 2016 #17
99th_Monkey May 2016 #19
nenagh May 2016 #18

Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:52 PM

1. Good source, RT, yep, now a source I do not believe.

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Response to Thinkingabout (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:57 PM

2. I'm shocked! not. You are a little predictable.

Lee camp had a successful American internet show that was picked up by RT, a show that is not in any way different in content than it was. You just don't like what he says, fine. But dissing the source here is bleah.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:59 PM

4. No, RT is very predictable, like H A Goodman.

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:57 PM

3. This is old news. Unfortunately. nt

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #3)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:06 AM

5. Old news, new show. released april 30

This is the video/multi-media forum. Not LBN

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #5)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:08 AM

6. I meant election fraud is old news. Unfortunately. nt

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Response to SusanCalvin (Reply #6)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:12 AM

7. yeah - sorry had my hackles up with previous poster. Grrr.

found full ignore. Life is short. enough of that

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:31 AM

8. K&R for actuality.

The truth is painfully funny.

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:51 AM

9. K&R for needed exposure /nt

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:56 AM

10. K&R nt

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 01:46 AM

11. Exit polls are as flawed as any polls. They depend on identifying key precincts

based on PREVIOUS elections, and younger and more enthusiastic voters are more willing to be stopped for an interview -- so there is a higher degree of self-selection. Also, they can't include early and absentee voters in their totals. In this primary, Hillary has much more strength among older voters -- the group most likely to vote absentee.

Exit polls are a useful tool but no more so than other polls.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #11)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:09 AM

12. And that's why we use them to discredit results in other countries. And why they do not stray

 

statistically off the chart in other countries.

This country can't even run fair elections and thats why we were recently rated 47th against other nations.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #12)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:27 AM

13. Other countries often don't have the thorough pre-election polling that we often have.

For instance, in NY the pre-election polling aggregated average came within 1% of the final results.

This was what non-partisan 538 had to say about exit polls in 2008 and it remains true today.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ten-reasons-why-you-should-ignore-exit/

1. Exit polls have a much larger intrinsic margin for error than regular polls. This is because of what are known as cluster sampling techniques. Exit polls are not conducted at all precincts, but only at some fraction thereof. Although these precincts are selected at random and are supposed to be reflective of their states as a whole, this introduces another opportunity for error to occur (say, for instance, that a particular precinct has been canvassed especially heavily by one of the campaigns). This makes the margins for error somewhere between 50-90% higher than they would be for comparable telephone surveys.

2. Exit polls have consistently overstated the Democratic share of the vote. Many of you will recall this happening in 2004, when leaked exit polls suggested that John Kerry would have a much better day than he actually had. But this phenomenon was hardly unique to 2004. In 2000, for instance, exit polls had Al Gore winning states like Alabama and Georgia (!). If you go back and watch The War Room, you’ll find George Stephanopolous and James Carville gloating over exit polls showing Bill Clinton winning states like Indiana and Texas, which of course he did not win.

3. Exit polls were particularly bad in this year’s primaries. They overstated Barack Obama’s performance by an average of about 7 points.

4. Exit polls challenge the definition of a random sample. Although the exit polls have theoretically established procedures to collect a random sample — essentially, having the interviewer approach every nth person who leaves the polling place — in practice this is hard to execute at a busy polling place, particularly when the pollster may be standing many yards away from the polling place itself because of electioneering laws.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #13)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:49 AM

15. Bottom line - we need a verifiable voting system, however it is done, which we do not have.

 

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #15)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:48 AM

16. We do need that everywhere. But NY already uses only verifiable paper ballots,

despite some of the nonsense you may have read here about machines in NY being observed to change votes.

The biggest problem in NY was due to a Repub elections official who, about 6 months ago, took some action that resulted in a widespread voters purge in Brooklyn -- a purge that affected Hillary voters just as much and maybe more than Bernie. (All the NYC boroughs voted heavily for Hillary. The best way to hurt Bernie would have been to purge large numbers of voters in upstate NY.)

An investigation is ongoing to determine exactly what happened and what consequences there will be. Personally, I think that elections official should be fired.

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 02:40 AM

14. And so it goes, so it goes ...

 

all those votes cast in good faith, going down the drain of a corrupt
electoral process, with rigged machines flying in the face of hard data
that is irrefutably the fucking international Gold Standard for detecting
election fraud.

What is it going to take to turn this around? Without fair elections,
we have NOTHING ... nothing but empty noise and bogus hoopla to
delude ourselves into believing we live in a real democracy.

PS - to those berating the RT source, FU. This is raw truth in action.
Deal with it.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #14)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:49 AM

17. Which machines were rigged? The states with the biggest problems were NY and AZ,

where GOP officials took actions that depressed Democratic votes.

And in both cases, Hillary was probably hurt more than Bernie.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #17)

Sun May 1, 2016, 11:07 AM

19. If you watched & listened to the video, you'd know .. it's more than NY and AZ

 

At one point Camp rattles off a list off all or many states that use hackable
and unreliable e-voting machines; but I'm not going to find it for you

Here's one state's story, Virginia's, which is somewhat anecdotal
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/04/16/399986331/hacked-touchscreen-voting-machine-raises-questions-about-election-security

This Politico article claims that 43 states have problematic unreliable e-voting machines
which should tell you just how widespread this problem is.
Study: Electronic voting machines in 43 states are out of date
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/study-electronic-voting-machines-out-of-date-43-states-213632#ixzz47Q8H1kGk

BTW - this is NOT just about Bernie v. Hillary; it's about restoring the public's confidence
in our entire electoral system i.e. American democracy itself.

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Response to floppyboo (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:42 AM

18. K&R

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