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Hillary Clinton MSNBC Town Hall: Worst Answer of the Night

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Reply Hillary Clinton MSNBC Town Hall: Worst Answer of the Night (Original post)
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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:10 PM

1. How hard is it to say

I believe in listening. I will listen.
She is missing the graciousness gene.

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Response to oldandhappy (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:17 PM

2. I think they are both

Still in campaign mode...

Let's see how this plays out.

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Response to oldandhappy (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:21 PM

4. And with it, a lot of votes. If she wins, she needs t realize that she can lose to Trump and will

 

need every Bernie supporter she can get.... By earning their vote.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:50 PM

33. Wring on both counts.

Trump can't win - he has the lowest favorability rating of any candidate in history - and many Cruz, Bush and Rubio supporters would never vote for Trump. Clinton can win without sulking Bernie supporters who are miffed because their candidate lost. Many of Bernie's supporters are intelligent and emotionally mature citizens who will vote for the Democratic nominee.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:00 PM

38. Many of Bernie's supporters aren't Democrats

and Hillary Clinton is one in name only.

Charles Koch doesn't start thinking you're a good option because you're "progressive".

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Response to nyabingi (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:30 PM

63. that is really NOT what Koch said

he said he might support her if she changed all her policy positions. I heard him myself on NPR.

a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #63)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:38 PM

72. too bad I read it from NPR

so NPR lying now? oops in the quote the other is referring to he says he prefers her over any of the Republicans running but there is no endorsement there. BS only goes so far including this weird new line of attack a vote for bernie is a vote for plump? you must be joking. this is gonna be 2004 all over again if we don't do something and we the people are fighting hard against the 1 % very hard. They might win don't know. But this race even today is far from over. Especially if AZ might be redoing there voting in June

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Response to PatrynXX (Reply #72)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:42 PM

76. nice run on sentences.

Koch is trolling you, at best: "we would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric."

that's a DIRECT QUOTE from the interview.

Calm the fuck down and punctuate.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #76)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:56 PM

83. Her actions have been different her rhetoric in the past, this contributes to her perception as

 

untrustworthy

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #83)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:16 PM

98. but that's not the point, is it?

the point is whether that is an "endorsement". it's not.

he's being a squirrely rich motherfucker, dodging the question, because that's what he does.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #98)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:58 PM

124. Agreed. It's not an endorsement, I don't know what he's playing at.

 

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #63)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:42 AM

152. You are correct. But try convincing those who read pointing at each word and mouthing it.

Not to mention, those who read/hear poorly written headlines.

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Response to nyabingi (Reply #38)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:40 PM

74. Kock means better than republicans candidates only.How can you know they aren't democrats

 

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Response to nyabingi (Reply #38)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:10 AM

149. He thinks a sane President might be better than an insane one. nt

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Response to Nitram (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:38 PM

70. Does winning mean I don't have to listen to others suggestions?

 

She doesn't have a better wall street plan
Dodd-Frank is not being enforced
Screw the fight for income equality
Screw the fight for single payer universal health care
Screw fighting for $15 m.w.
Welcome back TPP
What a condescending person. That "interview' she referenced was a hit piece and if anyone read the entire transcript they'd see she is lying...and knows it. She is a Kock supported multi-millionaire who will be a huge presidential disappointment. We are losing the chance to elect a true progressive and will get stuck with little change if she wins. This better than thou, chip on her shoulder manipulator doesn't speak for me...just at me.

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Response to bjobotts (Reply #70)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:31 PM

103. Excellent post.

Angry and out of control.

As for her being a woman, a man who spoke as she did in the Maddow program yesterday would have lost long ago -- wouldn't be in the running.

I say that, and I am a woman. Hillary was totally unprofessional in her discussion with Rachel Maddow. I am shocked at her lack of self-control. She sounded and looked childish when she responded to the question about adopting some of Bernie's stances.

And she is completely unbelievable about the TPP.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #103)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:49 PM

123. "Completeley

unbelievable about the TPP."
Spot on. And a yuuuge concern for me.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:28 PM

102. And yet Hillary barely beats him in the polls

Oh I know, those polls don't count.

Anyone who thinks Hillary has the general election locked up is quite frankly deluded. For her to just brush off any hint that she might reach out to Sanders supporters only shows how insulated she is and how much her supporters have drunk her kool-aid.

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Response to Nitram (Reply #33)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:22 PM

126. at least with the young

Many of Bernie's supporters are intelligent and emotionally mature citizens who will vote for the Democratic nominee.

It doesn't have anything to do with "intelligent" or "emotionally mature" with college students and those in that age bracket, a significant portion of Sanders' supporters. She's just not on their radar screen. They're not interested in her. They won't care about her enough to go case a vote for her.

The opposite of love is not hate. It's indifference, and that's what their feeling is toward her. This is only from my vantage point as an instructor in a Mid-Atlantic state.


Cher

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Response to oldandhappy (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:52 PM

34. You said it. She's got no graciousness gene.

Now do we want a person with no graciousness gene negotiating at the highest level with leaders in the world?

I wonder how we survived her stint as Secretary of State.

That answer is shockingly arrogant.

Horrors!

I don't want her as president.

No grace whatsoever. Uggggh!

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #34)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:29 PM

62. +1

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #62)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:37 PM

118. +2

 

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #34)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:27 AM

142. She gets a grade of F as Secretary of State

one disaster after another.

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Response to greymouse (Reply #142)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 02:52 PM

159. What is the source of that "F" grade?

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:19 PM

3. Hillary pivots to the right in the General

 

She is going to do nothing for Bernie supporters except laugh at them as losers of the left.

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Response to Geronimoe (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:22 PM

6. In my view, it will cost her the election if that happens.

 

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Response to Geronimoe (Reply #3)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:24 PM

23. She'll crap on them

 

with sneering contempt. She'll show her mean-spiritedness fostered in no small part due to Bernie's folks not having bowed to her early on.

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:56 PM

37. Bernie's folks aren't bowing to her at early on or ever on. The marker was laid months and

 

months ago. She doesn't get it. Bernie is her *because of her, not in spite of her. Bernie saw her claiming a ridiculous early front-runner status by default, at a time he was still mulling his own race. He warned her all along, that his entry depended on her platform and ideas. When he saw she was exactly the kind of candidate she is, he had to step in to save us from ourselves. Let the chips fall where they may...

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:30 PM

64. I have had the feeling from the time Bernie first started to be seen and noticed

that Hillary Clinton was really, really, pissed that someone actually had the gall to challenging her Royal Snottiness, especially some little commie twerp from the middle of nowhere.
And the longer Bernie has stayed in the race, the more pissed off she has gotten. I mean, THIS WOMAN IS REALLY, UNCONDITIONALLY PISSED OFF !!!!!!!!!!!

She is insufferable.

Can we just stop talking about her?? ( I know, I just did.)

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Response to pangaia (Reply #64)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:04 PM

91. Her Royal Snottiness!

LOL

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:46 PM

121. That reminds me of a line I read somewhere in the blogosphere...

...that once you're on the "wrong side" of the Clintons, they never let you forget it, and they never forgive.
It was a quote from former staffers and acquaintances.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:22 PM

5. This is absolutely the wrong answer for the Democratic Party, if it wants to remain relevant to the

 

needs and desires of the most voters.

But I know - Hillary voters don't seem to care about Bernie supporters at all. We are awful people, etc.

The truth is, we care about Hillary voters, and all Democrats. We just keep trying to figure out why you won't back Bernie and his policy positions. The answers we keep getting are things like "not enough detail", "not realistic", etc. All that can be worked on. What we find in Hillary is that he policy positions that she actually adopts, not ones that she lip-syncs in order to remain competitive with Bernie, those are things we can't support and still look at ourselves in the morning. That is how it is with us.

And yet, even though what Bernie advocates is generally about as Liberal as Dwight Eisenhower and passes in other countries as mildly Left of Center, Hillary Clinton finds it so hard to reach out to us and appeal to our values in a legitimate way. How? By guaranteeing certain things, putting certain things in the Party Platform, helping us out with a truly Progressive VP pick.

Reaching out, including, reassuring would be such a better way to go than "Let them eat cake".

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:27 PM

9. We care about Hillary voters... Just trying to get the Medicare and college for all!

 

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:04 PM

40. I don't care about Hillary's voters at all

Most of them are closet Republicans and can't be trusted.

That's just my opinion.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:33 PM

69. She won't and can't.

Won't because she doesn't believe in what Bernie does, and can't because even if she did she is owned lock, stock and barrel by---- you name it....

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #5)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:18 PM

130. Absolutely correct!

 

Hillary will very quickly pivot right because, coming from the "Third Way" branch of the party, she doesn't really believe in the kind of Social Democratic reforms (shudder to think that our oh so poor rich country might provide to its citizens what European democracies do!) that Bernie has been advocating. I don't appreciate the way Bernie's supporters have been dismissed or disparaged and I don't believe she can win without us. I think that she and the DNC will likely dig in their heels on any real reforms or more inclusionary (of the party's substantial left) platform. However, millions of us have now seen a better and viable alternative in Bernie and won't be scared into pulling the lever for her by some Trumpian bogeyman if she doesn't try hard to win us over.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:24 PM

7. Best answer all night. She's ahead by every measure. The loser does not dictate terms to the winner.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:50 PM

11. She has to win in the fall to not be the loser.

In the meantime it is in her interests to listen to the voters.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:01 PM

13. If nominated, can she win the general election without the Sanders wing of the Democratic party?

 

It's 45% of the party, or so.....

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:21 PM

22. She apparently thinks so. She must hate

us with a passion for standing in the way of what she assumed woud be a cakewalk to the nomination and a coronation at the convention.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:12 PM

49. Yes, she can. I assume you haven't seen the new polls?

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #49)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:03 PM

90. Do those polls include Berniecrats?

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #13)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:16 PM

54. Which is about 22% of the electorate n/t

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Response to aggiesal (Reply #54)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:01 PM

87. Easily enough to swing the election.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #87)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 08:27 PM

122. My point exactly. ...

A couple of weeks ago, I mention after Hillary made some off handed remark
about Bernie supports, that she was not endearing herself to Bernie voters.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:17 PM

21. Not sure how it's the best answer

Her anger got the better of her and she basically said screw you through facial expression, body posturing and language to all Sanders supporters that she will need to win the general....not sure how anyone could interpret that as a win by any measure. She does not do well with independents, republicans will never vote for her....so where is she going to get the votes?????? Does she have some secret plan? Can she win the general only with the democrats that voted for her in the primary? I think not. She is clearly pissed that she's having to work so hard in this primary and her sheer disgust is oozing out of her.

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Response to jane123 (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:35 PM

28. She's fixated on the votes she's gotten in the

primaries as though that's all she needs to assure victory in November. Someone in her organization better step up and get it through her head that she has to look beyond those voters to have a shot in the general. Are she and the people surrounding her in her bubble unaware that she probably needs just about every Bernie voter and a significant number of Independents? Just stupid and unbelievably politically tone deaf.

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Response to jane123 (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:10 PM

47. I've said for a long time that a powerful progressive movement will be opposed most vigorously

 

by the Democratic Party establishment. It will fight tooth and nail any group/individual which threatens its ties will corporate finance. Opposition by the GOP is expected, and in the final analysis, easier to deal with.

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Response to jane123 (Reply #21)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:04 PM

135. That is just the way she is.

 

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:29 PM

25. Ahead by every measure???

 

Then how come Sanders consistently and decisively outperforms her against Trump, Cruz or Kasich? Do those comparisons not matter?

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:33 PM

27. is she still running for election or does she think she is president already?

you only say things like that when you don't need one more voter.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:02 PM

39. As the first answer to the OP stated, Hillary has no grace.

I don't want a person that arrogant and mean in the White House.

No wonder Bill had such a wandering eye. Can you imagine what it is like being married to someone with the mouth of a shrew?

That answer utterly shocked me.

I did not have good vision as an infant or young child and I relied on my hearing and became a musician. When I hear Hillary's voice, I hear a voice of a person who lacks a sense of compassion and grace at a deep level. There is a hardness in her voice. I know others don't understand this, but it is the way I related to the world and others at an early age. So I always said that she lacks grace. But this statement of hers -- its cold dismissal of the concerns of Bernie voters confirms what my ears have told me about Hillary Clinton.

Our country will deeply regret it if we elect Hillary.

The choices on the Republican side are degrading, but Hillary has the potential for cruelty I suspect. And that makes me feel very sad and in fact, sick to my stomach. I do not want her near the White House. I do not want her to be commander in chief.

This statement of hers is a warning as to how she deals with situations in which she is in control and strong. It is not healthy for the world or the citizens of our country.

I am utterly shocked not so much by the fact that she does not want to adopt any of Bernie's stances but by the very mean-spirited way in which she expressed herself in response to that question. Perhaps I missed it, but I cannot think of a presidential candidate who has EVER in my lifetime responded to a question of this sort with such CONTEMPT not only for his/her opposing candidate but for the supporters of that candidate.

One thing I admire so much about the Obamas is that both of them have so much love for others and are so gracious. They both literally walk in grace.

Hillary-- Her supporters should be ashamed and very worried right now because she is not winning Bernie supporters over. It is this aspect of her personality that has made Bernie so popular with many of us.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:13 PM

51. And neither HRC or her supporters seem to have any sense of the need to compromise!!!!

There's not even an acknowledgement of the other side's right to exist, let alone their rights as members of the party.

That's something I find absolutely frightening about HRC, and many - not all - of her supporters.

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Response to Lil Missy (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:57 PM

84. What an attitude. THAT is why Bernie is the candidate for the future

and Hillary is the same ole same ole.

I have had enough of governance by corporate fiat...

I want actual human beings with beating hearts, brilliant minds and vision to lead us, not a bunch of selfish stooges.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:26 PM

8. She doesn't think she has to earn the votes of

Bernie's supporters. Really, who gives a flying fuck how many votes she has now? None of that counts in the general. Why not be gracious and say, " Of course I will address the concerns of Sanders' supporters and will work hard to earn their votes." Her entitlement is on display and it isn't a pretty sight.

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Response to LibDemAlways (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:09 PM

17. Far less than the MSM is telling you. She will get shelacked like no other if she's the candidate.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:33 PM

10. I pity Hillary if she wins.

Where will her support come from when she's under a constant barrage of right wing attacks and indictments? The left stood with Obama when he first took office because everyone knew he had inherited a huge mess from George Jr. What's Hillary going to say to gain every Democrat's support, "I inherited a huge mess from Obama?" She's going to need another 9/11 type incident to galvanize the the country behind her, a la George Jr.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #10)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:31 PM

67. I pity the planet if she doesn't win the General

I will support her because Fuck Republicans.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #67)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:39 PM

73. Ah yes, the everpresent good vs. evil.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #73)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:45 PM

78. How many are you voting for this fall, then?

Sounds like a few? Trump maybe?

The Democrats are a bulwark against the regressive economic, social, and international policies of the GOP. That's all. That's the extent of my support for them.

Putting Republicans in control of the entire Federal Government is not the best way to bring on the Revolution. It doesn't have to get worse before it gets better. It stays worse.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #78)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:55 PM

82. Ah. the bogeyman tactic, yet again.

n/t

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Response to Madam Mossfern (Reply #82)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:19 PM

99. that's how i vote, sorry.

you vote however the fuck you want. be an inflexible idealist.

or switch parties and vote for cruz if you think that will bring on a social democratic revolution in 2020.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #99)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:32 PM

104. That was rude.

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Response to Madam Mossfern (Reply #104)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:35 PM

106. the alert button's right there

the kneecapping of our likely candidate has got to stop

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #106)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:38 PM

109. I don't alert

What kneecapping did I do?

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #99)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 09:53 AM

155. But your candidate is the one who praises the Republicans for doing what they refused to do

 

She claims Ron and Nancy Reagan were AIDS heroes. Fact is they were the unmitigated villains of the era. So this posture you take of being so against the Republicans seems very thin indeed. Hillary seems to be pandering to Reagan lovers, her voters are the Reagan Democrats....

"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan in particular Mrs. Reagan we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."
That's Hillary last month. None of her DU supporters had so much as a word of objection to that horrific and right wing pack of lies, ignorant and intolerant as it was.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #155)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:52 PM

156. MY candidate?

I've made this clear elsewhere, ad nauseum: I don't prefer EITHER of them. Both of them are too old, both of them are terrible on the stump. But both could govern competently, if they don't drop dead in office.

Clinton continues to say stupid shit like your quote. She panders poorly. But I do not accept that she's Hitler x Stalin.

I am for the Democrat.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #78)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:02 PM

89. It's sad but whomever I vote for will already be purchased by some special interest.

I think the Republicans vs. Democrats just camouflagers a bigger problem. Whether it's secret trade agreements or support for loan sharks in the local community some Democrats are a whole lot like Republicans.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #89)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:22 PM

100. because both parties support business interests

that's the consensus of American government. and it started out that way.

the meager scraps of the New Deal were tossed to the unions & the working class to avoid Socialism gaining a foothold in the process.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #100)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:40 PM

110. Yes this is true.

I would argue though that the parties are controlled by the business interests rather than independently supporting those interests. It would be nice if change could come about in a rational, peaceful manner rather than the kind of strife that was seen prior to the New Deal.

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Response to jalan48 (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:16 AM

140. I fear Hillary will be a one term President.

Yes I want a Bernie. However it's looking more like Hillary. Wait until California and the convention before I lose all hope in that.

If Hillary gets the nomination at the convention then she will be the next President. If Bernie gets it, he will be the next President. The GOP is Dead as far as this Presidential run is concerned. Don can't win the general. If the Republican convention nominates anyone other than Don then let's sit back and enjoy the firework party.

But back to one term.... Reagan gave the apoearance of an economy in recovery when GHW Bush took over. Then it tanked. I think Bill's sex scandals didn't help Gore one bit. GW Bush got the 2nd term because the economy was on the uptick and we were in war and not losibg horribly at that time. Obama will be handing over an okay economy that's not collapsing and a slew of improvements despite horrific GOP obstruction. All it will take is an anemic economy in 3 years time along with some kind of scandal one can attach the Clinton name to... and a moderate Republican will win in 2020.

That's not to say that Bernie wouldn't be a one-term President either.... he's just way too intriguing and unknown. Don would get impeached in his first term. If he is elwcted, we'll be wanting to build a wall around 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. .. to keep him in!

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #140)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:18 PM

160. can we cross that bridge when we get to it?

I worry what my aunt would be if she had balls.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 02:54 PM

12. Hillary and DWS are looking forward to absolutely crushing Bernie's political revolution......

.....and continuing to tack even further right.

Passing the TTP and TTIP is just the beginning.

Planning to retire? Beware of what the HRC administration will do to Social Security.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:01 PM

14. IIIIII, MEMEME UH OH UH OH OH

III, MEMEME that is all I know !!!!

The only thing she's consistent on.

Peace

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Response to Blus4u (Reply #14)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:12 PM

50. Self-serving self-absorbed self-important ENTITLED and mean spirited

Throw in arrogance and that's our Hillary.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:05 PM

15. Is this video going to be posted each time it falls off DU Home Page?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #15)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:06 PM

43. I hope so. It sums up Hillary. I do not trust her for one second.

She is heartless and arrogant. She was treating not just Bernie, but Bernie's many supporters with utter contempt in that response.

Horrors!

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #43)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:24 PM

59. If she agreed to adopt a losing platform...

and surrender to the losing candidate, it wouldn't matter one bit to you.

See? Why bother coddling Bernie supporters?

It has been and shall always remain all about hating Hillary.

You will never, ever vote for Hillary. We're not stupid.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #59)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:06 PM

92. If we don't vote for Hillary, you will lose the general. Unless you pick up 22% from the right wing.

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #92)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:36 PM

108. Most Bernie supporters are Democrats or lean Democrat...

and will vote for the Democratic nominee without reservation.

The rest, including a number of Republicans and independents, will never vote for Hillary.

We do lose presidencies - adopting losing, unpopular policies and platforms would be a way to lose.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #108)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:00 PM

125. Medicare and College for all, & exiting the costly trade agreements are all big wins :)

 

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #59)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:33 PM

105. Well, this video shows just why she is so hated and despised by so many...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #105)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:41 PM

111. Ridiculous!

This video shows a candidate who is pointing out she has won!

The voters have made their choice - when does it end?

You see what you want to see. As in all things Clinton.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:06 PM

16. Great Answer - She told us to Fuck Ourselves.

 

It's the type of thing that will live on YouTube forever *if* she wins.

I won't forget - she doesn't need my vote in the General because she got more in the Primary.

So glad she explained it to me.

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #16)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:10 PM

18. She is free to do the same, hell will freeze before I'd vote for her.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:15 PM

19. Worst. Candidate. Ever!

 

Who tells voters to fuck themselves? The answer is always "of course I'm going to listen to what is important to them" even if PRIVATELY you are saying "and totally ignore it because it's stupid!"

She'll switch it later, and swear she's always been that way.

I hope the FBI causes her to withdraw soon - somebody will probably have "health issues" to save face. Every time she talks, I want to throw something. I haven't had this type of visceral reaction since Junior. And it keeps getting worse.

Yick!

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:17 PM

20. I can't look at her face, or listen to the voice. It makes my skin crawl.

To say she is the worse, is the understatement of the century. At least bush was just stupid and let cheney, run the show. This woman is craven and calculated in everything.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:05 PM

41. She makes me ILL

 

She makes me ILL really ILL

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Response to IdaBriggs (Reply #19)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:54 PM

35. Bingo!!!!

I believe by this summer, the heat (no Pun intended) will be on her & the DNC for her to withdraw because of the investigation. Also the DNC clearly does not understand the propaganda that comes from the repugs & what that will do to a Clinton candidacy. Also, they should realize that if and when she becomes President, the impeachment proceedings will begin.

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Response to mrmpa (Reply #35)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:55 PM

36. She keeps playing this game, Bernie might use his email list

 

to fund it! <== This is a joke.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:15 PM

53. With her in charge.....it's likely more than hell will freeze over...

And she isn't getting my vote ....

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #53)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:06 PM

93. She's not getting my vote either

 

No way in hell.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:27 PM

24. Gawd what an insufferable ..........

I'd better not write the word I was thinking. You fill it in.

Asked a legitimate question based on the fact that she is polling neck and neck as Democrats choice nationally right now, despite her lead in delegates. She not only is dismissive of this large voting block, but the arrogance that eminates is disgusting. She answers the question with a "F U I'm way in the lead, I'm not going to do anything different"

I never thought I say this but the Clintons seem oblivious to the political temperature in their own party. She can't even bring herself to lie to Rachel and fake smile and say she will "think about it" or that its possible she would "work with Bernie". She is so arrogant and entitled and sick of some old jewish "fucking liberal" crowding her stage for far too long that she just can't help reveal her true nature.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:31 PM

26. Try and try

.but I just can't watch her. Too much history with and knowledge about the Clintons.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:41 PM

29. What happened to your big tent Hillary?

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:44 PM

30. About her display last night...

I've posted this is a few other threads today and thought it fit here as well... No one doubts Hillary's confidence and intelligence - they were on full display when she met with Rachel Maddow at a Philadelphia Town Hall on Monday night. Confidence and intelligence are Hillary's strengths! Unfortunately they are also at times her most glaring weaknesses as a Presidential candidate. too often she comes off as one of those "can do no wrong", lawyerly types who will argue anything at the drop of a hat, and over-defend themselves to appear strong! I watched the entire Town Hall exchange live and on more than one occasion was viscerally repulsed by her attitude of disdain for Bernie Sanders and his supporters. Just as with so much of what you can see on Facebook, at DU and other sites - Hillary and her supporters don't respect Bernie or his legion of backers.

All the confidence in Hillary's strength of character and intelligence mean little in the electoral process of impressions and gut-feelings. If a voter just doesn't like Hillary, for whatever reason - voting for her in November may not just be a hard thing to do, it could be downright impossible for too many good Democrats/Progressives and of course Democratic Socialists. Hillary is blowing an opportunity to grow the party, expand the electorate to her advantage, and to improve her favorability ratings. Instead of moving to the left during the primaries - like all Democratic candidates in history - she's taken a few small steps to the left and then several lurches to the right. She sure does have some truly progressive positions, but seems more proud to label herself as a moderate or conservative Democrat. Why is she doing this? Maybe instead of being cocksure of herself all of the time, with this 2.7 million vote/900 pledged delegate lead she likes to talk about all of the time - she can try being a little more Obama-like and open her heart to the 8+ million progressives supporting Bernie Sanders this election cycle.

To use the Game of Thrones reference from the title, "It's time to kill the lawyer, Hillary Clinton! Kill the lawyer and let the President come out". The only way Hillary can win the primary and general election is to earn the support of Bernie's Democratic voters, attract new people to the party (to include Bernie's millennial voters), and to win a majority of Independents as well. Being the know-it-all lawyer is not the way that is going to happen! She needs to become not just the Democratic woman who wants to be President, but the women WE want to become President of the U.S.A. Her performance on last night's Town Hall may have enthused her supporters - but I'm confident she didn't win over any new voters! Kill the lawyer Hillary Clinton! Kill the lawyer and let the President come out!




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Response to marcopolo63 (Reply #30)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:08 PM

95. Well said!

 

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Response to marcopolo63 (Reply #30)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 09:53 PM

127. excellent post

marcopolo. Welcome to DU. I look forward to reading more from you.


Cher

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Response to marcopolo63 (Reply #30)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:06 AM

144. Very well said.

She is less compromising with Bernie's supporters than she has been with the Republucans back in the day.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:50 PM

31. The general election will not be the same

 

as the primaries and caucuses. Whoever wins needs the support of independents. If she does nothing to reach out to Bernie supporters, she'll lose.

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Response to SheilaT (Reply #31)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:20 PM

55. Good point. I will add that the folks backing Sanders are not the same cut of Democrat...

 

...that I am. Frankly, I'm an old lefty hack; former delegate, precinct chair, organizer, etc. Many of the Sanders folks don't see the old political "dynamic" of rallying around the nominee after a primary. Hell, I suspect millions are genuine indies who wouldn't have been involved with politics if they weren't looking at a mountain of college debt and worse, a bleak earnings future.

It's a different breed out there.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 03:50 PM

32. Her answer to the question was typical Hillary.

Totally lacking common sense or grace. Peevish, petty, angry. The sense of entitlement is palpable. I'm sure her answer will impress Bernie and his followers. She's a real uniter, just like her pal George Bush.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:06 PM

42. She's completely correct.

What's the problem?

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #42)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:09 PM

45. Can you imagine Obama ever, ever making such a nasty statement.

about anyone? No wonder the world went to Hell in a hand basket and we couldn't make any progress while she was Secretary of State. No wonder she was replaced by John Kerry.

Contrast John Kerry and Obama with Hillary.

I think Hillary just lost a lot of otherwise Democratic votes in the general election with that answer. It's shocking to those of us who support Bernie.

This statement will be played and replayed on YouTube and just could mean the end of the Democratic Party as we have known it.

After that statement, she needs to bow out of the primary. She will never be electable after that. Never.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #45)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:10 PM

48. What part of it was nasty? Or is there a special version that only Bernie people can hear? n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #48)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:23 PM

56. The entire statement. The tone.

She should be trying to win Bernie supporters. She isn't. That is going to defeat her in the end.

Put yourself in the shoes of Bernie supporters.

That statement could mean the end of the Democratic Party. Bernie is always gracious and shows respect for everyone. He even shows respect for Hillary.

I have been through many campaigns. I have never heard a statement delivered with such obvious contempt and anger about an opposing candidate. No wonder we had do much trouble in our foreign policy when she was Secretary of State.

God forbid Hillary should ever become president. That is how deeply offensive she is toward Bernie and his supporters. That video will be played and replayed, and Hillary will regret that she did not keep her temper under control during that interview.

A good negotiator (and I've done some negotiating in my line of work) has to be able to hear what he or she is saying and assess the effect it will have on the listener before the words come out of his or her mouth. There is sort of a moment when you think about what you are about to say and what effect it will have on the listener, on the person you are negotiating with, and you have to be able to control your anger, your emotions so that you phrase what you want to say in a way that will motivate you opposition to want to agree to your terms. John Kerry is clearly very good at that. Hillary clearly wasn't. Wow. I can't believe that her supporters are so tone-deaf not to recognize the venom in her voice and words. She is destroying the alliance between left and right that made it possible for Obama to win in 2008 and 2012. She will regret that greatly.

I don't think Trump will be the candidate on the right. I think it will be Cruz and Kasich, and if so, Hillary will lose. She could also easily lose to Trump especially on trade issues, and she is not going to motivate Bernie voters to support her, not after that unthinking outburst. I know she is tired, but that was insulting to all of us who support Bernie, personally insulting.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #56)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:31 PM

65. Oh, the tone. Right. The first woman to come this far didn't strike the right "tone.'

She wasn't nearly as HUMBLE or SELF-EFFACING as any good woman candidate should be.

She was BRAGGING about how many millions of votes she had.

Her behavior was so unattractive.



Try putting yourself in the shoes of the many more millions of HER supporters. We voted for her and her policies, not Bernie and his. We want her to proceed with her plans, not his. In the real world, that's how it works.


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Response to pnwmom (Reply #65)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:44 PM

77. Do you realize that you cannot win in the general without the support of the 45% of the Democratic

 

party that voted for Bernie?

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #77)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:47 PM

79. If Bernie were the nominee, he couldn't have won the general without the support

of the majority of Dems, who voted for Hillary.

But he wouldn't have caved in on his positions to get that support, and you and his other voters would have been furious if he had done so.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #79)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:12 PM

96. What positions would Hillary supporters want that are different from Bernies?

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #96)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:35 PM

107. I strongly prefer fixing the ACA to running in the general on the platform

that the ACA should be replaced by single payer. (Single payer is a good long term goal, but it doesn't have a chance in Congress without majorities in the Senate and the House. The other side has majorities in both. Bernie should be raising money to help rectify that situation, but his fund raising efforts downticket have been pathetic.)

If both the Rethug and the Dem run on an anti-ACA platform, the voters will deduce that NO ONE LIKES IT and they will choose the candidate with the cheaper "solution." So I prefer Hillary's plan: support the ACA and fix the problems.

I also prefer Hillary's minimum wage plan, putting in a floor of $12, but strongly encouraging larger and more expensive cities and/or states to move to $15.

The progressive economists who have demonstrated that raising the minimum wage will not cause employers to cut employment have themselves said their research only supports a general increase to $12. After that, we'd be taking a risk of losing millions of jobs. No thanks.

I also strongly oppose his position on one of FDR's New Deal programs, the Export-Import bank. That bank loans money -- at a profit to the US treasury -- to help companies here export around the world. Other countries have similar public banks and we should, too. Every single President since FDR has supported it. I know why Ted Cruz is against it -- he wants everything, everywhere privatized. What I don't understand is why Bernie is on the side of the tea-partiers.

I also oppose Bernie's position on the PLCAA, which he once again repeated in a recent debate.

IN SHORT, I VOTED FOR HILLARY AND HER POSITIONS, NOT HIS. And so did millions of other Hillary supporters.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #65)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:59 PM

85. She appeared to me to be very stupid an unable to control her temper

and those are not traits I want in a president.

A lot of Bernie supporters are not going to vote for Hillary.

I'm a woman, but I expect any woman who runs for the White House to have enough self-control not to make a statement that offends a huge number of voters that you need in order to win the general election when you don't have to make that statement.

She could have said something tactful and conciliatory. She said something angry and offensive. That again shows very very bad judgment. I expect more of my two-year-old grandchild.

Extremely UNQUALIFIED for the presidency.

She practically spat at Bernie and his supporters.

That is the most utterly extreme arrogance I have ever seen in a politician.

She acted like a bad loser in my opinion.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #85)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:13 PM

97. Oh, yes. She's a WOMAN, acting too EMOTIONAL, like they always do.

They should be strong and loud like a man. Being strong and loud like a woman is SO inappropriate.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #97)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:25 PM

101. I'm a woman. I've done a lot of negotiating. You don't lose control

as she did in that interview. It's not a matter of being a woman.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #101)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:49 PM

112. Research has shown that women are affected by the same sexist culture that men are.

So being a woman doesn't exempt you from unconsciously viewing Hillary differently. Just as with racism, people can be unconscious of their sexism.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #112)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:56 PM

113. Hillary appeared to be unstable and emotionally out of control.

That is not a good sign. Call it sexism if you wish, but if she responds like that to Bernie who has been easy on the personal criticism, how in the world will she react to what a Trump or Cruz is likely to throw at her?

She is not handling the stress well. She is losing it. She will not make a good candidate.

There are lots of women who deal well with stress. She is showing that she does not. Poor Hillary!

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #113)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:06 PM

114. Right. But when Bernie gets loud and assertive and waves his arms around, that's just cute. n/t

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #114)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:09 PM

128. when Bernie gets adamant

It's over a principle.

When Hillary gets adamant, it's over her perceived right to the reigns of power without a fight.


Cher

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Response to NJCher (Reply #128)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:13 PM

129. Hillary was adhering to a principle: the principle to be accurate. And Rachel was not.

There is no IF about this: Hillary has a 200+ lead in delegates. Period. That's the truth that Hillary wasn't going to let Rachel obscure.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #129)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:27 PM

132. whizzz

went right over your head, didn't it?

Principle to be accurate.


Cher

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #65)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:16 PM

136. And there are millions of

 

Democrats and Independents who find her deplorable.
Tone, affect, she has been the same for many years. Bill is like her. They are quite a pair.

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Response to OwlinAZ (Reply #136)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:22 PM

137. Hello. You probably are not aware of this, but soon this site will be closed to comments

like yours.

Enjoy your insults while you can.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #137)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:57 AM

146. Censor the truth? Figures. nt

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Response to MaeScott (Reply #146)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:08 AM

148. This is a site for Democrats. You can go elsewhere if you want to attack the nominee,

once that person has been selected. We're almost there.

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Response to Sparkly (Reply #42)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 06:22 PM

115. The problem is November, 2016.

I have voted Democratic in every presidential election election except the 1992 election when Ross Perot challenged the status quo candidates with his charts and that "giant sucking sound". I was sourcing for a Fortune 500 company at the time and was beginning to live with that "giant sucking sound". I knew exactly what Perot was talking about.

I am not a Bernie Bro, the most condescending political term ever used by a candidate's supporters to describe another same party candidate's supporters; however, I do try to educate myself about the candidates and issues. I have done so, more this primary season than ever before.

I cannot, in good conscience, cast my vote for a self self serving, money chasing, system manipulating candidate who demonstrates by actions (not words) every thing I find reprehensible in a political candidate. I will not vote Republican either - so at this point, I am unsure what I will do, but I damn well know what I will not do.

Peace

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:07 PM

44. No...More...Clintons...Ever!

And did the Shilling Maddow even blink or just keep slobbering over The Anointed?

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:09 PM

46. Her millions of supporters voted for HER policies, not HIS. Why should she change them

after winning? This isn't how politics works, and Bernie, if not his followers, is old enough to know that.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #46)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:32 PM

68. No matter whether she plans to change or not, she should have the

humility and generosity and common sense to control her temper in front of a camera.

It isn't entirely just what she said. It is how she said it. She showed that she has little control over her temper in a situation of stress. I do not want her near the button for the nuclear weapon.

She is not very mature.

I now see Bill Clinton's alleged womanizing in a different light.

Her outburst was just shockingly emotional and out of control.

It isn't altogether what she said but the tone in which she said it, the look on her face.

Whew! The DNC needs to take a second look at Hillary. She will not make a good candidate. She does not have the grace or even just self-control that is needed in a president.

If my two-year-old granddaughter or my grandson act like that, they get a discussion about how they should act if not a time-out.

Whew! Talk about an out-of-control temper. Hillary's it.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #68)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:38 PM

71. Right. She's a WOMAN so she should show more HUMILITY.

She's a woman, so how dare she BRAG about her millions of votes? She's a woman, so she should be HUMBLE.

If Bernie were this far ahead, and bragging about his votes, and saying that NO, he wasn't going to change his positions one inch to gain Hillary's support, there's not a chance in hell you'd complain he should be humble and generous.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:14 PM

52. I'm insulted

She couldn't lie to us like she does to everyone else by stating she will reach out to us?

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:24 PM

57. My vote would have to be earned if she is the nominee

If it comes to that...

I will write-in Bernie Sanders and that would be my vote.

She would need to win me over in a few key areas:
I don't like war and Bernie doesn't either. I don't like the USA in every body's business all over the world, and neither does Bernie.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:24 PM

58. I saw another clip where she talks for 3 minutes and says nothing about how to get Social Justice...

To me that is worse. She has positioned herself as a fighter for social justice yet has no clue how to achieve it other than maybe go on a listening tour.

This answer is bad for the Democratic Party. The other answer is bad for the United States and the whole world actually.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:24 PM

60. Jesus, that woman is just insufferable.

Just look at her face while rachael is asking the question.. the usual nose in the air, such a snooty 'I am better than everyone' attitude.. And I only got through maybe 30 seconds of her reply before I had to shut it down before i puked.


Fortunately, I live in NY and if we are forced to witness the HORROR of her winning the so-called nomination, I will not have to suffer the indignity of voting for her.





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Response to pangaia (Reply #60)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:25 PM

131. I watched that a couple times

Just look at her face while rachael is asking the question.. the usual nose in the air, such a snooty 'I am better than everyone' attitude..

I teach nonverbal communication, so I tend to look at this type of thing a little more than the average person. She was furious. Her face was clenched and she could barely abide Rachel asking the question.

Then when she did answer, she lashed out. Her face is very hardened as she talks about all her votes.

I think there's way more to this than meets the eye. I truly think she still feels very threatened by Bernie taking away her prize. This is just the opposite of what she is saying. Verbally she says she is way ahead of Bernie. Nonverbally, she is fit to be tied by him.

Now why would that be? My personal two cents worth is that she wants Bernie to back out before the FBI makes any moves. She thinks that his exit from the race will put her in a stronger position to withstand the FBI.


Cher

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Response to NJCher (Reply #131)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:56 PM

134. Humm..very interesting take.

There is so much going on that we have no idea about, you could very well be right
Wouldn't that be a hoot.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:27 PM

61. She makes it soooo easy to dislike her

 

That is a let the eat cake if I have ever heard it.

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Response to cyberpj (Reply #66)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:41 PM

75. Thanks for this. Hilarious!

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:54 PM

80. The issue is how do u inform the uninformed. If we can find a way to educate them......

....then W.O.W !!!!!!!

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Response to Pauldg47 (Reply #80)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:46 PM

120. As long as people think that what the corporate

whores are telling them is the truth, we're sunk. Watched a few minutes of CNN and MSNBC earlier and it was nothing but when is Bernie getting out? One talking head on CNN quoted some bullshit NYT story about Bernie quitting and had the nerve to ask Jane Sanders to comment. She said firmly that it wasn't true, so what does the media whore do? She repeats the story and asks Jane the same question again. Jane showed remarkable restraint. I'd have been very likely to call the so called "reporter" on her bullshit using language that would have been deemed unacceptable for tv.

Young people have caught on. They are media savvy and don't get their news from tv. Those who do are fed nothing but bullshit propaganda.

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Response to LibDemAlways (Reply #120)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 10:30 PM

133. one of the most egregious wrongs, imho, was this past sunday's ny times

op-ed by Nicholas B. Kristoff

(spelling?)

he seems arrogant and haughty, the few times I've ever seen him speak

he wrote this sickeningly cynical column to the effect that HRC really isn't that bad, really
isn't much of a liar, etc. it was just horrible whitewashing of her many serious ethical
transgressions and character flaws. this coming from someone who purports to
care about women's rights!

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Response to LibDemAlways (Reply #120)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:32 PM

161. Every time they do this (and they know what they're doing), it weakens Bernie's chances....


....There is a real revolution in the making. Keep it up, and one day soon, they (the establishment) will meet its serious end. History has told this story.

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Response to Pauldg47 (Reply #161)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:22 PM

162. Agree. Fortunately, the corporate whores are

losing their grip and will eventually become completely irrelevant. It hasn't happened yet only because there's an older generation who still feed at the corporate news trough. As their numbers dwindle, the much more astute and aware younger voters will finally make some much needed political changes. My daughter and her millennial friends have finely tuned bullshit detectors and will vote only for candidates who have their back.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:54 PM

81. Its that track record.

That would be why I do not want to vote for you.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:00 PM

86. ...

(smh) So flippin disappointing.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:01 PM

88. Hillary Clinton is never going to break up the too big to fail banks...

She'll reverse herself on the TPP and continue with Bush's policy on nation building in the middle east.. That's who she is...

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Response to cyberpj (Reply #117)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:53 PM

157. "Hillary has become too big to fail"

Love that cyberpj

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #88)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:11 AM

145. Nor will she even attempt to overthrow Citizens United!!

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 05:07 PM

94. She thinks she's playing the game from a position of strength

but she has misjudged how others perceive her.

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Response to WHEN CRABS ROAR (Reply #94)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 07:43 PM

119. She thinks her pandering has

 

worked on all groups.

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Response to WHEN CRABS ROAR (Reply #94)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:19 AM

151. She is almost channeling Donald Trump.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:24 PM

138. I thought her worse response was ....................

getting government out of education and basically privatize it for the hedge funds..................................way to go Clinton----------------------------always thinks that public education should be severed of the federal agency and given to some for profit Charter School run by hedge Funds...........................................


HEDGE Funds ............................she likes Hedge Funds, hell her son in law belongs to one.........................look at what they do, and her husband helped make them more then what they were in 1940...................................more powerful and placing bets on both sides of the ponzi scheme.....................

http://prospect.org/article/what-good-are-hedge-funds

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 11:54 PM

139. Funny. I don't recall Hillary trying to make petulant demands of Obama in 2008.

So she has a right and duty to consider Sanders suggestions on their (poor and vague) merits, not his attempt at electoral blackmail.

And she can't even be nicer, because she has to prove that she's not a captive of the same asses who were using Republican memes non-stop for the last few months. Because real centrists dislike all radicals, not just the conservative ones, and they want to see strength in a President.

So blame yourselves for this response. It's YOUR fault. All those "SHE'S JUST A CRAVEN WEATHERVANE" lies that you Sandernistas threw at her, are coming back to bite you in the ass.

And the best part is that facing Trump, we actual Democrats don't actually need the sanctimonious hate-vomiting Greens and Jackpine radical left. So if there is actually a serious movement by those precious darlings to not supporting Hillary against Trump, after she wins anyway, she'll owe them absolutely nothing. Not even a hearing.

So the only way they'll get one is if they drop the lying, screaming, 'tude, and learn a few manners for once. Stop projecting their arrogance onto others.

Good night, children.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #139)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 12:22 AM

141. Contrary to what TYT were saying, here is what Hillary wanted in 2008:

"You know, I understand that that a lot of people are asking, "What does Hillary want? What does she want?"

Well, I want what I have always fought for in this whole campaign. I want to end the war in Iraq.

I want to turn this economy around. I want health care for every American. I want every child to live up to his or her God-given potential. And I want the nearly 18 million Americans who voted for me to be respected, to be heard, and no longer to be invisible.

You see, I have an old-fashioned notion, one that's been the basis of my candidacy and my life's work, that public service is about helping people solve their problems and live their own dreams. This nation has given me every opportunity, and that's what I want for every single American.

That's why I want universal health care. It is wrong...

... that Americans pay 50 percent more for health care than the people of any other wealthy nation, with costs doubling this decade, and nearly 50 million people without any health insurance at all.

It is wrong for parents to have to choose between care for themselves or their children, to be stuck in dead-end jobs just to keep their insurance, or to give up working altogether so their kids will qualify for Medicaid.

I've been working on this issue not just for the past 16 months, but for 16 years. And it is a fight...

It is a fight I will continue until every single American has health insurance, no exceptions and no excuses.

I want an economy that works for all families. That's why I've been fighting to create millions of new jobs in clean energy and rebuilding our infrastructure, jobs to come to all of our states, and urban and rural areas, and suburban communities and small towns.

And that's why I sounded the alarm on the home mortgage crisis well over a year ago...

... because these are the issues that will determine whether we will once again grow together as a nation or continue to grow apart.

And I want to restore America's leadership in the world. I want us to be led once again by the power of our values, to have a foreign policy that is both strong and smart, to join with our allies and confront our shared challenges, from poverty and genocide to global terrorism and global warming.

These are the issues that brought me into this race. They are the lifeblood of my campaign. And they have been and will continue to be the causes of my life. And your spirit...

... your spirit has inspired me every day in this race. While I traveled our country, talking about how I wanted to help you, time and again you reached out to help me, to grab my hand or grip my arm, to look into my eyes and tell me, "Don't quit. Keep fighting. Stay in this race."

Now, there were days...

... when I had the strength -- there were the days when I had the strength enough to fight for all of us. And on the days that I didn't, I leaned on you, the soldier on his third tour of duty in Iraq who told his wife, an Iraqi veteran herself, to take his spending money and donate it to our campaign instead...

... the 11-year-old boy in Kentucky, who sold his bike and video games to raise money for our campaign, the woman who came to a rally hours early, waited and waited to give me a rosary, and all those who whispered to me, simply to say, "I am praying for you."

So many people said this race was over five months ago in Iowa, but we had faith in each other. And you brought me back in New Hampshire, and on Super Tuesday, and in Ohio, and in Pennsylvania, and Texas, and Indiana, West Virginia, Kentucky, Puerto Rico, and South Dakota.

I will carry your stories and your dreams with me every day for the rest of my life."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/03/hillary.clinton.speech/

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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #139)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 01:24 PM

158. LOL - he made her Secratary of State!

 

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Response to grahamhgreen (Reply #158)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 11:26 PM

166. Not because she demanded it

But because he thought she was the best person for the job. And judging by her considerable successes, I think he was spot on.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 03:49 AM

143. Nov.8 will have the lowest voter turnout in recent presidential election.

How can she expect Bernie supporters to show up for her speaking like that?

Thanks for posting this clip.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #143)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:28 PM

163. Exactly. "None of the above" will be a very

popular option this year. Nov. 8 happens to be my birthday, and I intend to spend it having fun and ignoring the election returns. No matter who wins, we the people lose.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 04:59 AM

147. There is no way in hell I would EVER vote for Hillary Clinton !

If Bernie Sanders does not get the nomination I will do everything I can
to make sure Hillary does not get elected president. I may even have to
vote for a Republican. Hillary Clinton and Ted Cruz are the worst out there.
No way would I do anything to put either one in the White House.

Feel the Bern !

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 05:18 AM

150. Turn off the sound, and watch the clip again, as if you did not know the speakers

or what was said.

It was then that I noticed how she was enumerating her points by using her fingers.

She needs rest, as she is not coming through well now in these interviews.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:28 AM

153. She's going to do what she did in Syria and Libya and Iraq... start idotic war against liberals...

because Hillary's that plucky Right Wing fighter willing to do anything to protect the 1% against a popular uprising by the oppressed middle class and below. She will divide and purge and fuck us all over because she simply cannot understand why principals, ethics, morals matter.

More worried about Trump's kid in college than our kids in college, Hillary is the worst candidate for progress in generations.

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Response to whereisjustice (Reply #153)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:38 PM

164. The rich kids in free college thing is the most

ludicrous, downright stupid talking point she's come up with. Bernie missed a few golden opportunities when he let her get away with that canard during the debates. When the hell did a Trump ever go to a public school? Any public school? She sent her own kid to fucking Stanford. Fresno State was never on the short list. And so what if some wealthy guy's kid wanted to go to a public university? Hs tax dollars that support the school are as good as anybody else's. When I heard her lame argument against tuition free public education, I couldn't believe no one called her on it. Ridiculous and total bullshit.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 07:53 AM

154. And now she says that she wants party unity.

 

Which is it? Damn the Bernie supporters, or team up with Hilliary?
One or the other, not both.

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Response to grahamhgreen (Original post)

Wed Apr 27, 2016, 06:45 PM

165. oh...

to hell with her. Seriously.

Alert on me, I don't care. I would vote for a head of lettuce before I'd vote for her.
I know that the head of lettuce would rot but at least it wouldn't hurt us. Her - she's already rotten and has hurt so many.

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