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Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:15 AM

Video: AZ - Computer Shows Affiliation has been changed to NONE

https://vid.me/KKWP

Original Link: https://www.facebook.com/alisa.wolfe.39/videos/1031253743634071/ "OUTRIGHT VOTER FRAUD!! Okay Everyone! I posted earlier about my being denied my legal right to vote this morning. I went to the Pima County Recorders office and video taped the whole thing. Here's what they are doing. They are copying voter registration cards changing the date and the party preference. They can't change the original because that goes out to the party. At first she tried to say I sent in a second voter registration card (of course I didn't not) then she changes her story to its a computer glitch then states it's an error."


Edit: Now with youtube video.



Edit 2: This isn't my story, but rather that of a determined voter in AZ.
https://www.facebook.com/alisa.wolfe.39/videos/1031253743634071/

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Reply Video: AZ - Computer Shows Affiliation has been changed to NONE (Original post)
Babel_17 Mar 2016 OP
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #1
Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #14
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #18
RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #52
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #58
elljay Mar 2016 #59
nenagh Mar 2016 #2
annabanana Mar 2016 #3
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #4
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #5
Post removed Mar 2016 #15
giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #28
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #34
giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #36
LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #37
giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #38
GoneFishin Mar 2016 #48
fun n serious Mar 2016 #66
PatrickforO Mar 2016 #61
SkyDaddy7 Mar 2016 #74
Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #79
zalinda Mar 2016 #6
DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #7
questionseverything Mar 2016 #27
passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #44
KPN Mar 2016 #8
dixiegrrrrl Mar 2016 #9
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #10
oldandhappy Mar 2016 #12
oldandhappy Mar 2016 #13
valerief Mar 2016 #29
Blue State Bandit Mar 2016 #45
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #51
valerief Mar 2016 #54
Duppers Mar 2016 #32
Ilsa Mar 2016 #40
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #42
Stevepol Mar 2016 #49
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #55
840high Mar 2016 #56
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #75
KPN Mar 2016 #81
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #83
KPN Mar 2016 #85
oldandhappy Mar 2016 #11
peace13 Mar 2016 #16
SandersDem Mar 2016 #17
Emac Mar 2016 #19
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #21
Emac Mar 2016 #25
me b zola Mar 2016 #63
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #20
hopemountain Mar 2016 #23
Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #24
-none Mar 2016 #39
dana_b Mar 2016 #53
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #73
jillan Mar 2016 #71
PatrynXX Mar 2016 #22
ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #26
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #30
ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #31
-none Mar 2016 #41
ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #64
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #33
billhicks76 Mar 2016 #35
yardwork Mar 2016 #47
billhicks76 Mar 2016 #62
ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #65
billhicks76 Mar 2016 #67
ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #82
billhicks76 Mar 2016 #84
ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #86
billhicks76 Mar 2016 #87
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #43
Warpy Mar 2016 #46
WHEN CRABS ROAR Mar 2016 #50
tblue37 Mar 2016 #60
840high Mar 2016 #57
ViseGrip Mar 2016 #68
PoliticalMalcontent Mar 2016 #69
jillan Mar 2016 #70
mrmpa Mar 2016 #72
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #76
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #78
mrmpa Mar 2016 #80
blm Mar 2016 #77

Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:21 AM

1. Liked it on youtube

If you have a youtube account, hover your mouse over the bottom, near the right, of the video, while it is playing or paused, until you see "Watch on www.youtube.com". Click on that, and then you can like it (You may be asked to log in. That only takes a second, and you don't leave the page).

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:32 AM

14. All this time I never knew who Mollari was

 

I just looked him up. That's pretty funny!

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:41 AM

18. Lol, thanks!

I swiped it, with tacit permission, from a user at the official JMS B5 forum.

http://www.jmsnews.com/

http://jmsnews.com/forums/

JMS is apparently a Sanders supporter, btw.
https://twitter.com/straczynski/status/709844815555375104?lang=en
https://twitter.com/straczynski/status/674833837185040385
https://twitter.com/straczynski/status/692832212186566656

The Ready For Mollari is hopefully funny on the face of it, but also it inspires reflection. "Understanding is a three edged sword" kind of reflection. "Ready for Mollari" mocks the vapidness of slogans. Which Mollari are you being asked to vote for? Mollari the partying wise-fool, Mollari who'd been touched by darkness, or a Mollari who was now wiser and trying to put things right. Then we take that reflection and apply it to other slogans.

Edit: Hit post before I was ready, too many tabs open.

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:52 PM

52. You do remember what happened to Mollari

 

when he became the leader, don't you?

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Response to RoccoR5955 (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:33 PM

58. I was going to post some videos, but I'm trying to ration myself :)

lol

Found a new (to me) one today. Ed Wasser/Mr. Morden at a convention.



This is Londo when he was likeable.



Wow, that show was strong on the foreshadowing.





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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:39 PM

59. Was one of my favorite shows

Tragically forced to make a lot of changes due to network and funding issues. Still, it was one to make you think....

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:45 AM

2. K&R

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:50 AM

3. This is ELECTION fraud.. not VOTER fraud.. since

YOU did nothing wrong. It seems like an outright attempt at disenfranchisement.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:55 AM

4. Woops, it's not my story. I'll edit my OP to use quotation marks, and make a note of that

I just looked at my OP "with fresh eyes" and saw how it could be taken as being my experience. Thank you for getting me to see that.

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Response to annabanana (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:06 AM

5. Yup, that's the correct definition

I left out "voter fraud" from the thread title, but I didn't want to inaccurately quote her in the body of my post. What you stated has also been pointed out at the link in my OP. She may feel like a "defrauded voter", but "voter fraud" is as you stated it to be.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:47 PM

28. Got your new talking point did you?

 

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:26 PM

34. Because cheating is so damn Hillaryarious

 

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:29 PM

36. Oh I don't doubt dirty shit happened.

 

I just find the it's all HRC, she's the Antichrist posts fucking ridiculous.

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Response to giftedgirl77 (Reply #36)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:41 PM

37. It doesn't take an "Antichrist" to embrace fraud to win

 

She may be even instructing Devious Debbie and the others to not tell her anything so her hands are "clean".
That is not a "ridiculous" theory. Interesting that the one in the video and others she has spoken to that changed their registration from "Independent" to "Democrat" are the ones that had the computer glitch. Its not a far stretch to surmise that the vast majority of those switching from I to D to vote are probably Sanders supporters.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:54 PM

38. Lol, guess you missed the whole lifelong dems having problems huh?

 

I wonder how many of those independents didn't follow proper procedures? Now you all are going with Sanders supporters were targeted.

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 06:54 PM

48. Funny how all of the election snafus in every state favor Clinton. Must be coincidental? nt

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #34)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:42 PM

66. STOP RIGHT THERE!!!!

 

Hillary had nothing to do with this and you know it. It's reckless to throw that accusation out like that

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Response to Post removed (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:50 PM

61. As much as I like Bernie, and I am a fervent supporter,

this smacks of Republicans. I'm not thinking Clinton or the DNC had anything to do with this. I mean, remember Goldwater? Hell, he said that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. He was ready to nuke the whole world. AZ is filled with those folks, and certainly this 'extremism' is powerful in their state legislature and in the local governments as well.

I don't think Clinton has been honest, or is honest, or gives a shit about me, my family or our kitchen table issues, but in this case I don't think it was her.

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #61)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:25 AM

74. Like you I have been a Bernie supporter since day one...

But we have reached a point in this primary where if Bernie were to catch a cold there is a sizable chunk of people who blame Hillary for it!

Of course this has GOP fingerprints all over it! Just like in 2008 there were 400 polling places...2012 there were 200...2016 there are only 60! RED STATES are doing everything possible to make voting as difficult as possible...Especially for Democrats!

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Response to annabanana (Reply #3)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:23 PM

79. This is driving me CRAZY! It's the difference between murder and suicide.

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:06 AM

6. My question

How will she be sure her vote was counted?

Z

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Response to zalinda (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:47 PM

27. the provisional ballots do not have names on them do they?

because i would think there is no way to find that lady's ballot to count it

me thinks she got conned

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:52 PM

44. They didn't pull up her ballot. They pulled up her voter registration.

Her ballot will not indicate her party preference.

There is no way for her to know for sure the provisional ballots (including hers) will be counted. She just has the clerk's guarantee; but with no way to prove it, what good is her guarantee?

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:39 AM

8. There's a White House Petition re; AZ Voter/Election Fraud ...

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:07 AM

9. Just signed it and posted on Facebook. n/t

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:08 AM

10. I was already registered there, I logged in and signed it

I just refreshed the page and now there's 37,500 signatures.

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:18 AM

12. Thank you

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:25 AM

13. Signed and put on FB. Thanks for the post.

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:53 PM

29. Says I have to wait for an email verification. That'll probably appear after the deadline. nt

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Response to valerief (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:10 PM

45. It's is in your inbox. The site auto-replies the link.

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Response to Blue State Bandit (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:43 PM

51. Yes, it can take a minute or two

They're pretty fast, relatively speaking.

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Response to Blue State Bandit (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:58 PM

54. It showed up a half hour later. (I had been checking for it every minute for 10+ minutes.) nt

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:00 PM

32. Signed.

TY.


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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:01 PM

40. over 60,000 now! nt

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:32 PM

42. Now it's only 38,331 to go (check out the front page to see a new petition)

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/do-revote-arizona-primary-due-voter-suppression

WE PETITION THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION TO:

Do a revote of the Arizona primary due to voter suppression.

We the people ask for a revote of the Arizona primary due to voter suppression. Many registered voters who registered Democrat/Republican before the cut off or who have been registered Democrat/Republican for many years are being turned down due to the mislabeling of their registered party for the primary. We ask that this immediately be corrected and fixed and allow the residents of Arizona to participate in a revote for honest Arizona primary voting results.
Published Date: Mar 22, 2016
Issues: Civil Rights and Liberties, Human Rights


Signatures needed by April 21, 2016 to reach goal of 100,000
87,957
Total signatures on this petition
12,043

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:02 PM

49. I'm a proud signer of the petition already.

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:19 PM

55. "Petition Closed This petition can no longer be signed."

And now it's running again. Huh.

Good thing I reloaded the page before posting here. I didn't do a screen capture but what I put in quotes was a copy and paste.

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:28 PM

56. Did earlier/

 

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:00 PM

75. Only 4,586

Wow, it did around a hundred signatures in the time it took me to navigate here, and open a reply. I just checked again and it looks like it was getting around 50 signatures a minute!

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #75)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:06 PM

81. 2500 remaining and counting ( in what, 28-30 hours!)

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Response to KPN (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:14 PM

83. Ding, ding, ding, 104,580!

Suhweet!

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #83)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 08:59 PM

85. EPIC!!!!

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:18 AM

11. Wonder if clinton cares as much about

election fraud in AZ as she did about the water in Flint -- hmmmm.

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:33 AM

16. She can and should follow up withe the BOE in a week..

 

...to verify that her vote did count!

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:34 AM

17. ELECTION FRAUD

not voter fraud. Arizona is an embarrassment to every man and woman who died for our right to vote. Ducey and Reagan should be impeached.

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:45 AM

19. This also happened to me.

I waited in line for two hours to be told I was registered as other. I have never changed my registration. The poll workers said I can fill out a provisional ballot but it will not be counted. I called the Maricopa county recorder and they said that I changed my party affiliation on April 15th 2008. That makes no sense as for one, I would not change my affiliation but particularly at that time I was still riding on the high of Obama being elected. I was a very proud Dem especially at that time.

While I was in line there was a poll worker walking around the line telling everyone if they were not registered Rep or Dem that they should just leave because their vote will not be counted. There were a many people turned away. I over heard one lady saying her entire family shows as not registered at all. She stated that her and her husband have been going to the same place to vote for 20 years. She also said a poll worked told her that they were turning away many people with party affiliation changed or registration gone at the tune of 3 to every 10 people.

Frustrated, I get home and in my mail box is an, "Official 2016 Democratic Party Survey", with DNC membership # and registration #. We checked the status for my wife and son before they headed out to stand in a long line and my wife's affiliation was switched to "Other", and my son showed as not registered at all, yet he has been registered since 2014.

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Response to Emac (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:01 PM

21. Thank you very much for posting here

Were you googling this issue, and found this thread? Either way, welcome to DU! Please keep us updated with anything you hear.

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:36 PM

25. Thank you.

I have been a long time, daily viewer here at DU. I discovered DU many years ago via the Thom Hartmann show.

I have sent this petition to everyone I know explaining the situation.;

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/investigate-voter-fraud-and-voter-suppression-arizona-3222016-democratic-party

Thank you for the warm welcome and I will post any updates.

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Response to Emac (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:15 PM

63. Glad to have you posting...

...horrible circumstances that caused you to post.

Thank you for sharing your story. I hope you continue to post here.

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:53 AM

20. I wonder if her name was on Bernie's contact list prior to the data breach.

 

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:03 PM

23. exactly.

disgusted with the fraud perpetrated by the hillary campaign. disgusted.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:03 PM

24. BINGO! Spitfire! The data breach!

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:59 PM

39. GOOD QUESTION!

And just who was in charge of the DNC severs? Why the same person that supported Republicans over Democrats in Florida. And is now running interference for Hillary.

What is needed is for another FBI investigation into the DNC and their questionably run primaries.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:58 PM

53. I didn't even think about that

hmmm...

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Response to dana_b (Reply #53)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:56 AM

73. I have a file folder of her campaign mailers.....

 

I signed the logbook at a Bernie rally.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #20)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:27 AM

71. That is something to think about.

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:01 PM

22. this also happened in the caucus in Iowa however

because of Bernie supporters being vigilent they were able to get ahead of it. if it was a paper problem. If it was not a paper problem but computer error then that was a problem. This looks like massive failure of anything computer. if the computers when the ACA was put in place was this bad it never would have gotten off the ground. yes it was bad maybe just as bad but do you see the media on this? NO. People really need to push that this is an across the board problem. because in November if it is not fixed. Bush V Gore Part 2 on computer isn't as fixable (although Bush V Kerry 2004 was more like #2 and indeed it was computer and you'd never know it. High turnout usually means the other way around

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:45 PM

26. THANK YOU SO MUCH! I Can Not Tell You HOW MANY

people are talking to me about this. There is some Real HIGH LEVEL OUTRAGE that I'm sure will be building to enormous numbers as time goes by.

We call this country A Democracy?? I've been calling it an Oligarchy for some time now, but beginning to think it's something worse! I'm going to go to youtube and "like" it and will be sharing this information where I can.

I've been suspicious for some time and have on NUMEROUS occasions posted my own thoughts about how WEIRD what I see on the ground happening that simply doesn't reflect the outcome after people actually vote.

Once again I'm going to state my feelings. My posting here has dropped because when issues like this happen so many Bernie supporters have been called various names IF you even have any issues about Primary outcomes. And I expect after this post the COMMENTS will be the same. Still, I'm going to say again what I've become more and more convinced of. It doesn't matter to me WHAT any Hillary supporter wants to reply to me because my feeling is something that's out there and growing.

It simply makes NO SENSE that Bernie has RALLIES that thousands and thousands of people attend, he's consistently raises MILLIONS of dollars over and over and over and yet SOMEHOW this phenomena doesn't convert to votes! Why would people attend these rallies, GIVE MONEY and NOT VOTE?? I've heard ALL the retorts from Hillary supporters which are repeated all the time, but I'm not buying it. Sure some may not have the correct information, but the same pattern is showing up everywhere where people are having voting issues.

I can give you an example of something that happened here in Florida, a state that I actually felt Bernie would lose, but this still happened here.

My daughter and her husband were Independents and DID switch to Democrats to vote in the Primary and did so IN PERSON at our SOS which is mandatory! My son and his wife registered as Democrats quite a few years ago. ALL of us voted ABSENTEE. So, when you vote ABSENTEE you are supposed to get a notice that they received your ballot and I DID get one for my husband and me. You HAVE to give your email address AND you can go online to see if they received your ballot. YOU can't actually verify IF the vote was counted though.

So, I talked with my daughter and asked her if they got a notice about their ballots being received. THEY DID NOT! She checked online to see IF her ballot was received AND it WAS NOT! I didn't even bother to ask my son & his wife because there seems to be NO recourse for them. UNLESS a law suit is filed which will probably take a very long time and lots of money, and by the time it goes through the courts it really won't matter.

If you're just a "citizen" who doesn't have enough $$$$ to follow through all you're left with is the feeling of DESPAIR! So yes, THIS is Florida but NOW I'm seeing this stuff reported over and over again in other states. VOTER SUPPRESSION is ALIVE and on STEROIDS. I don't think it's only for Democrats, but who the hell knows??

WHAT has happened to this country when far too many people don't give a rat's ass about this as long as THEIR candidate wins? Every Single Citizen in this Country" should be outraged, because maybe the NEXT TIME it's going to be YOUR candidate who will "supposedly" lose!!

It now seems it's ALL UP TO THE POWER BROKERS who are playing "we the people" as mere puppets who have control. The time has come for people to rise up against this. It's only going to get worse.

Other countries are LAUGHING at us!!! I know this because many of my FB friends are from many different countries. Perhaps IF Trump gets elected the people with the blinders on will start to PAY ATTENTION! And if you think it can't happen that's even a bigger problem for you AND US!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:26 PM

30. Wow, that's a horrible experience

I think part of the problem is that the political establishment has a lot of control in most of the process. And they just don't care about this.

The college/young voters will be registered after the primaries are over, I guess, but that's another story.

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:32 PM

31. Yeah, I Got Long Winded, But I'm Really Fed Up! n/t

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:12 PM

41. THIS, absolutely Positively THIS!

It simply makes NO SENSE that Bernie has RALLIES that thousands and thousands of people attend, he's consistently raises MILLIONS of dollars over and over and over and yet SOMEHOW this phenomena doesn't convert to votes! Why would people attend these rallies, GIVE MONEY and NOT VOTE?? I've heard ALL the retorts from Hillary supporters which are repeated all the time, but I'm not buying it. Sure some may not have the correct information, but the same pattern is showing up everywhere where people are having voting issues.


The above excerpt needs to be spread everywhere!

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Response to -none (Reply #41)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:28 PM

64. Well, All I Can Say Is I DON'T UNDERSTAND Why...

THIS isn't being passed around more often. I know it's being talking about in my circle. It just doesn't make sense!

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:27 PM

33. Now I'm hoping this has a rebound effect

Disaffected voters are going to reject this lack of concern for the process. I'm gobsmacked at the idea of this attitude by our party somehow translating to a big victory in November. The voters need to keep turning out, and speaking up, until they can't be denied.

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:28 PM

35. Oh Hillary

 

Can't win without someone cheating.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:15 PM

47. Stop pretending that this has anything to do with the Democratic primary.

Arizona is run by Republicans. This is part of the voter suppression we are seeing across the nation, brought to you by the Republicans as they took over state by state.

My own state of North Carolina has the same problem, caused by Tea party takeover of the state in 2010. They passed these laws years ago, planned to take effect in 2016. Nobody knew that Bernie would be running then. Hillary didn't do this yesterday. The Republicans did it five years ago.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #47)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:00 PM

62. No One Pretending But You

 

I didn't say Hillary enacted the cheating. I said someone did. She most definitely benefited from it because mostly older white voters did early mail in and everyone waiting in line that didn't get to vote said they were there for Bernie. Many more than actually were counted as Hillary mail in votes. Yes it was a Republican who cut the number of voting places but it has yet to be seen who actually didn't process Democratic voter registrations. I assume republicans of course. But of course Hillary benefits from republican malfeasance because she is ideologically closer to them than Bernie. Once again something stinks. Just like it did in Iowa.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #62)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 09:43 PM

65. Mike Papantonio Commented About ALL THIS Voter Suppression Tonight

on Ed Schultz's Show. Any the end of the show he said that DWS had her fingers in in all of this. Basically saying that by trying to ensure Hillary becoming the nominee it's become a big problem and WILL BE WORSE for all Democrats in November!

Not exact words, but I'm sure you can find the live feed from RT America.

This is why I've been saying for months that I'm so fed up with THIS DEMOCRATIC Party. His implication was that had they tried to fight back we wouldn't have to be dealing with this. The Repukes have been at work on Voter Suppression for a very long time AND The Democratic Party has been aware of it. Maybe all of it couldn't have been prevented, but FIGHTING BACK against it could VERY WELL have shined a BRIGHTER LIGHT on it!

And just to keep the out cry from Hillary supporters who think this is a BERNIE issue, it's not. So much started BEFORE they knew she would even have a strong challenger or who it might be. Bernie's name has nothing to do with it.

It's about HOW The Democratic Party has changed so much and how the DLC/Third Way wing, which now seems to be IN CONTROL of the Party.

So for all who want MORE OF THE STATUS QUO, go right ahead and do your Happy Dance! I don't feel like dancing anymore!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #65)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:00 AM

67. I Hope DWS Ends Up In Jail

 

Somehow. Someway. Somewhere.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #67)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:17 PM

82. Had To Spend Most Of My Day Having Some Medical Tests, But

do want absolutely AGREE with you. I don't watch any MSM Media anymore myself, but on the call in shows that I view, more and more people talk about her. I'm hearing more and more people say that she's done so much damage to The Democratic Party, but also many are connecting the dots between her and Hillary.

More than a few say they may have to hold their noses and vote for Hillary but there is a general feeling that Hillary should have done more to quash this blatant bias against Bernie.

Given that I'm a Bernie supporter it simply fuels my anger toward them AND THIS Democratic Party! The UNFAIRNESS and as I said BIAS is FINALLY reaching the people of this country. What has actually surprised me is how many black people are now speaking out and calling Hillary a racist. Having just watched Thom Hartmann's show today I was surprised by what I was hearing. He and others did try to tamp down the negative comments which I feel isn't unfair. Still given the MEME that Hillary is the person who represents THE BLACK PEOPLE, I'm thinking this is changing. I'm sure anyone can live stream Thom's Show today and "hear" the comments I'm talking about.

Anyway, DWS has done more damage to Democrats overall, but especially to Bernie Sanders... IMO!

If THIS Party takes no action against her, then they too are complicit!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #82)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 06:48 PM

84. She Ruined The Party

 

People are flocking in droves out of our party to either become independent or join third party. Pathetic little minds cannot grasp that this isn't 1992 or 1998 or 2004 or 2008 or even 2012. This is 2016 but these same people haven't updated their wardrobes either lol.

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Response to billhicks76 (Reply #84)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:10 PM

86. Oh How True That Is... I Have Already Made That Decision

quite a few times here. I've been a Democrat for about 35-40 years and never was anything else. Depending on who is our nominee will determine whether I leave or not. What I've seen happen since Bill Clinton was first elected has been a steady turn to the right. It wasn't very noticeable at first, took a while and I remember getting up very, very early when I heard Bill was going to have a Rally at UF in Gainesville, FL. I took a friend along and we drove 5 hrs. to see him because I had been working to get him elected way back then.

There was a roped off area way down in front that was reserved for people who were involved in helping him but you had to have a special pass to get down there. I was pretty upset because I had driven so far to see him and I made it known to many around me. The MSM was there CNN and all the biggies back then were there because he had generated excitement. I managed to get someone to take pity on me and was given a pass but my I needed TWO because of my friend. I'm not sure if it was Connie Chung who worked at CNN or some other person that was well known who came to our rescue and turned to some other members and got me one. But I got TWO and we got down to the 2nd row right in front of where he was going to speak. Senator Bill Nelson spoke there that day and after the rally we saw his bus and I was so happy, then we drove back home.

I've ALWAYS remembered that day and remember him looking right at us as he spoke and I thought WOW that was great! I defended him during all the womanizing and so much more, but it wasn't until he was elected to his 2nd term that I began to really SEE the change. Still, back then there was Newt Gingrich so I stuck with him and Hillary too. I vividly remember Hillary wearing a pink outfit at a BIG DEAL press conference defending herself and what she had done when she worked at the law firm before she became First Lady. I defended BOTH of them back then too.

I'm posting about this because I've been among those who have been attacked and told I was one of the many who have infiltrated here to put her down. Obviously this is so far off the mark, but because I've learned so much about the Clintons over the years and especially the TWO FOR ONE COMMENT Bill made after he was elected I simply don't have any faith in them.

So many here say she can't be held accountable for what happened and the legislation that got passed when THEY were in the WH, but seeing Bill doing all he's done so far in her campaign that seems illegal to me, I DO think they support each other's views and have always done so.

Over these many years I became more and more upset by what I saw happening and it turned me off. So much so that I now see a person who I absolutely don't trust and feel in my gut that THEY will do whatever needs to be done to get elected. Say anything that's expedient depending on who they speak to. BUT even more distressing is the POWER that they now have, and that stepping on anyone's toes to get that POWER. I also know that even though they've been able to become so powerful that they've made many enemies and the "in the know" people are aware of what they can do. Even though it seems she's so beloved there's a shallowness in that support.

So here I am today after all these years and have seen what the beginning of the DLC/Third Way Democrats have given us. AND I DON'T LIKE IT and I will have an extremely hard time voting for her IF in the end I have to. But, I'm wavering on that and I FIND myself boxed in. I've had it! She doesn't fool me in any way, but I'm even more upset because what's on the other side may be so AWFUL that I have REAL FEAR.

I'll end by saying Frank & Claire Underwood, and I have seen all of the latest series. The ending of the last episode is really, really scary.
OK, went on for too long... but it is a true story and WHY I feel the way I do.

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #86)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 11:50 PM

87. Clintons Pushed Center To The Right

 

And that forced conservative who feel an inherent need to distinguish themselves for religious reasons and differentiate themselves for cultural reasons to move further right to get away from people like the Clintons who they believe they hate...and further right is into whackadoodle land so its basically Clintons fault we have Trumps and Cruz's. And really...why do people want a family to have a third term?

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 04:48 PM

43. "THERE IS A PROTEST AT THE COUNTY RECORDERS OFFICE AT 9:00am"

Tamborine Borrelli THERE IS A PROTEST AT THE COUNTY RECORDERS OFFICE AT 9:00am. PASS IT ON!!! #ArizonaElectionFraud #ArizonaReVote

From https://www.facebook.com/alisa.wolfe.39/videos/1031253743634071/

Cindy Rae Price If you couldnt vote in Arizona call ACLU:http://www.acluaz.org/issues/voting-rights


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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 05:13 PM

46. Lawsuit time

Computers don't just "flip" on their own. Someone needs to get to the bottom of this NOW.

They were counting on people who didn't know enough to stomp off to the registrar's office to demand to know what happened.

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Response to Warpy (Reply #46)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 07:31 PM

50. I agree

There has to be real names of actual people that caused this.
Like who made the decision to reduce the number of polling stations, it's all tied together somehow.

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Response to WHEN CRABS ROAR (Reply #50)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:46 PM

60. In Arizona, the name you want for the reduced number of polling places is

Helen Purcell (county recorder).

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Response to Warpy (Reply #46)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 08:31 PM

57. Yes.

 

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:21 AM

68. Please edit the post to 'election fraud', the voters did nothing wrong to commit fraud.

 

The correct term here is election fraud. It's important. There are actually so few cases of documented 'voter fraud' in the U.S. today.

This is election fraud. Vote flipping, switching, disenfranchisement shenanigans, etc.

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 01:54 AM

69. If it's true that this fell disproportionately on voters who changed party affi. from indy to dem

It would seem to point toward those that had the most to gain. Independent leaning dems clearly support Sanders much more than Clinton, and the DNC seems to be working on Clinton's behalf right now with DWS in power. Possible corruption should be investigated and not ignored, regardless of party. This kind of pisses me off and reaffirms my belief that Clinton is doing harm to the Democratic party.

There's no hard evidence, but there is motive.

Protect the democratic party first and foremost and if that means getting rid of all the bad actors at the cost of a presidency, than so be it. That's my opinion at the current time.

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 03:24 AM

70. Wow! Thanks for posting.

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 04:45 AM

72. From Crooks and Liars.............

From Helen Purcell the County official in charge of this:

“Just to start, obviously you’ve heard of all the frustration. Who is to blame for this, these long lines?” Purcell was asked.

Well, the voters for getting in line, maybe us for not having enough voting places,” she replied.

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Response to mrmpa (Reply #72)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:11 PM

78. Started a thread with the video of that, gave you credit for the heads-up of course :)

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #78)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:44 PM

80. That is so nice..........

and sweet. I appreciate that.

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Response to Babel_17 (Original post)

Thu Mar 24, 2016, 12:03 PM

77. DU member Zorra suggested on another thread a CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT against the state.

I agree.

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