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Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:32 PM

Sanders Path to Victory Blocked by Media and Party Elites, TRNN, Bill Curry



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http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=767&Itemid=74&jumival=15898

Bill Curry was White House counselor to President Clinton and a two-time Democratic nominee for governor of Connecticut. He is at work on a book on President Obama and the politics of populism.

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One of the most IMPORTANT interviews regarding everything that is at stake in this election. Our core values and all we hold dear is being thrown out for corporatist and oligarch agenda. This is a fight that will continue, this is a fight that will rage on whether Bernie Sanders wins the nomination or not. This interview gives a pretty clear and concise view of what our present state of affairs really is. It cannot be denied. It's spot on.

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Reply Sanders Path to Victory Blocked by Media and Party Elites, TRNN, Bill Curry (Original post)
mother earth Mar 2016 OP
TBF Mar 2016 #1
mother earth Mar 2016 #3
Baobab Mar 2016 #54
Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #2
mother earth Mar 2016 #4
Gregorian Mar 2016 #5
mother earth Mar 2016 #7
Baobab Mar 2016 #56
mother earth Mar 2016 #61
elleng Mar 2016 #6
Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #8
mother earth Mar 2016 #9
Doitnow Mar 2016 #14
Phlem Mar 2016 #10
Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #11
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #12
warrprayer Mar 2016 #13
RufusTFirefly Mar 2016 #15
Oldtimeralso Mar 2016 #16
certainot Mar 2016 #17
Nickel79 Mar 2016 #18
calguy Mar 2016 #19
Tragl1 Mar 2016 #20
Trust Buster Mar 2016 #21
leftofcool Mar 2016 #23
Politicub Mar 2016 #31
Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #34
Scootaloo Mar 2016 #40
LiberalFighter Mar 2016 #45
Baobab Mar 2016 #58
sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #46
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #53
Botany Mar 2016 #22
SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2016 #32
dlwickham Mar 2016 #24
sulphurdunn Mar 2016 #47
corkhead Mar 2016 #51
Rebkeh Mar 2016 #25
beachbumbob Mar 2016 #26
Scootaloo Mar 2016 #41
FlaGranny Mar 2016 #43
OhZone Mar 2016 #27
sharp_stick Mar 2016 #28
johnp3907 Mar 2016 #29
ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #30
Baobab Mar 2016 #55
ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #60
dgauss Mar 2016 #33
Jenny_92808 Mar 2016 #62
snowy owl Mar 2016 #35
hopemountain Mar 2016 #36
Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #39
SunSeeker Mar 2016 #37
noiretextatique Mar 2016 #50
SunSeeker Mar 2016 #52
hopemountain Mar 2016 #38
bvf Mar 2016 #42
Uhmercan Irishman Mar 2016 #44
oldandhappy Mar 2016 #48
noiretextatique Mar 2016 #49
highoverheadspace Mar 2016 #57
BeanMusical Mar 2016 #59

Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:46 PM

1. We know -

that is why we have taken over Twitter and Reddit.

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Response to TBF (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:50 PM

3. Solidarity.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #3)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:18 PM

54. Well put

Sanders is just so much more real than Hillary. I've never seen such a huge contrast between good and bad in nominee choices.

I am just praying we don't end up with Clinton. She is just so dishonest. And the whole system behind her is so corrupt at this point. And of course, with the GOP candidates, its even worse.

But I refuse to be gamed by her.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:48 PM

2. That was good.

Thanks for the thread, mother earth.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #2)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:51 PM

4. My pleasure, Uncle Joe.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:51 PM

5. He almost lost me in the beginning, but he's right about a lot of this.

Interesting talk. Reaffirming.

I think he underestimates Bernie.

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Response to Gregorian (Reply #5)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:56 PM

7. I think everyone underestimates Bernie.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #7)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:21 PM

56. Not as much as people overestimate Hillary

They just don't realize how fake she and it all is.

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Response to Baobab (Reply #56)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 07:34 PM

61. True. nt

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 04:52 PM

6. Excellent.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:00 PM

8. Thank you for this remarkable and refreshing video

that I bookmarked. Bill Curry had so many truly valid points--especially regarding Bernie's supporters. He said "The biggest mistake people make in politics is mistaking the present moment as a permanent condition. Everything looks different tomorrow, everything looks different in a week."

"Shake it off.
Do what you were going to do anyway if he had won (on the 15)."

I think Missouri was within .2% and Illinois (her home state) only 1.8%. No doubt he did win considering he was down by over 25 points a couple of weeks ago.


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Response to Land of Enchantment (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:16 PM

9. Right, do what you were going to do anyway & help get him nominated. This isn't over unless we

believe it is, and with over half the country still having to vote in a primary, lots of upsets are in the cards & NO ONE knows how this will all shake out. Bernie supporters need to realize this fight will not be won easily. The revolution will not end win or lose, but let's hope for the best & give Bernie our all. We must have his back.

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Response to Land of Enchantment (Reply #8)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:04 PM

14. When you think of it

we have a matter of just months to see if Bernie will get nominated. What is that compared to YEARS of struggle if we let him down by not working to win and someone else takes the White House? It is SO worth our time to continue to put all possible effort forward now. Look at what Bernie has been doing for YEARS on our behalf. PERSIST, like Bernie does!!! What a model he makes! He DESERVES to win.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:17 PM

10. Yep.

Quite stark and clear for a lot of us.

*sigh*

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:19 PM

11. The important message to glean from this is, "Keep supporting Bernie and work to expand his

voter base in the states which gave not primaries yet".

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:36 PM

12. K&R.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 05:59 PM

13. Kick and Rec

For Bernie.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:04 PM

15. Full of excellent insights!

Including a historical reminder that politics haven't always been this corrupt and key comments on the almost unprecedented amount of clout that Bernie will have in the convention even if he doesn't win the nomination.

The Real News Network is a treasure.

Thanks for posting, mother earth!!



P.S. Congrats on post number 6,000!

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:05 PM

16. K & R n/t

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:21 PM

17. sanders supporters ought to go on the offensive

destroy the rw radio monopoly.

these 90 universities are helping 260 limbaugh stations excuse trump and sell everything republican.

the country would go 20 points left without that talk radio monopoly and rw psyops.

and it couldn't survive if some of those universities were forced to look for apolitical alternatives to broadcast sports. other schools would be shamed into following. that public debate would cause advertisers to flee and rw radio would fall apart.

and it would get media for bernie

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:27 PM

18. Great find, mother earth

 

I really appreciate informative perspectives such as these, so thank you for sharing. I truly believe, no matter how slow it may be, that the "Age of Information" might spell the death of oligarchs. People are more informed. People are connected. It may take awhile to enforce our will, but it will happen eventually.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:29 PM

19. Don't forget the biggest obstacle

Democratic voters who prefer Hillary over Bernie. Get rid of that obstacle and Bernie wins easy.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:30 PM

20. great post

 

Thanks for sharing.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:37 PM

21. I think Sanders' path to the nomination was blocked by the 2.5 million more voters that voted

 

for Hillary than Sanders. But, perhaps that's just me.....LOL

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:11 PM

23. Yep

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #21)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:54 PM

31. Well, there is that.

But those votes don't seem to matter for one reason or another.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:06 AM

34. Of course

But that doesn't fit the narrative so we will ignore that reality.

I'm sure that some Sanders supporter will come along and tell us that the reason for the difference in votes is because the public has been brainwashed by the media.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:07 AM

40. I suppose those 2.5 million voters paid no attention to the Clintontrump networks?

 

Good on them!

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 10:38 AM

45. Some facts are just ignored.

I checked the 2008 primaries.

By this time Obama had the edge by 106,281 votes.

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Response to LiberalFighter (Reply #45)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:27 PM

58. and even that was controversial

Lets face it. Hillary isnt going to inspire people to vote.

I am not going to vote for somebody who wants to block a raise in the minimum wage in Haiti

or globalize jobs to force wages down in the US. I am not going to vote for another neoliberal, ever. And I am not the only one.

She wouldn't win the general, Sanders will.

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:37 AM

46. True enough.

 

Why do you suppose that was?

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Response to Trust Buster (Reply #21)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 04:22 PM

53. Not everyone is getting his message thanks to the Big Money Corp-Media.

 

When people learn about him they appreciate having an honest politician. You don't agree, you go for the toughness.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 06:47 PM

22. "Sanders Path to Victory Blocked by Media and Party Elites .... "

Ah no his road to victory was blocked by all the people voting for HRC. End of story.

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Response to Botany (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:47 PM

32. Climate change and the sixth global mass-extinction event is happening now

 

baby steps

enjoy

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:12 PM

24. what utter bullshit



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Response to dlwickham (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:40 AM

47. Depends on what bull udder

 

you're sucking on.

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Response to dlwickham (Reply #24)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:50 PM

51. what a scintillating critique!

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:14 PM

25. Thanks for posting nt

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:15 PM

26. Forgot the voters who actually prefer Hillary over sanders...

Just a slight oversight....how many more have voted for Hillary over Bernie now? A couple million or so....

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Response to beachbumbob (Reply #26)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 05:21 AM

41. The media and party elites have absolutely no impact on voter habits?

 

Funny. 'Cause when I look at FOX news I see a media outlet that works very hard ot create and foster a certain selection of beliefs and biases in its viewership. And then the viewership expresses those same beleifs and biases, without fail. They can never really articulate WHY they feel the way they do. it's just 'that's how it is" or "I know it." or some other such. What's really weird? You take a moment to throw ideas at a typical FOX viewer. standard progressive, liberal ideas. And they will support those ideas, almost always... right up until you tell them that those ideas came from Ted Kennedy. or Harry Reid. Or president Obama. Then they hate them SO MUCH, they're terrible ideas!

But i'm sure this sort of thing is only and exclusively applicable to Republican voters. Certainly. The fact that Hillary supporters uniformly HATE Bernie sanders (but like his ideas when you don't mention they're his!) and LOVE Hillary Clinton (and are never quite forthcoming about why...) has nothing, nothing at all to do with the media. Even though the media has been treating Clinton like a beloved incumbent since before she even announced her candidacy, holds her to no expectations or standards, and treats sanders like - at best - a protest candidate and, at worst, your crazy racist uncle who nobody ever talks to at Thanksgiving.

Total coincidence.

So yeah, clinton gets more voters, but I don't think we can ignore the reality of influencing factors on those voters. Especially when there's never actually any coherent argument for why they favor clinton or disfavor Sanders. it's always "just the way it is." People are easy to manipulate if you know where to aim, and one of the easiest ways to manipulate people is to tell them that they're too smart to fall for manipulation. You know. "Image is nothing. Obey your thirst. Sprite." One of the most successful ad slogans in marketing history right there, because it plays off that pride, "I'm too smart to be manipulated by advertising, and sprite gets that! I'll give them my business, even if their product tastes like sugary battery acid!"

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #41)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:36 AM

43. How many voters were there

that said, I like Bernie but I'm voting for Hillary because I think she's the one who can win the general? Those are the ones that get to me.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 07:32 PM

27. Yeah, and the voters apparently. nt

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:11 PM

28. And Math, that damned magic stuff n/t

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 09:44 PM

29. Yeah, that MUST be it.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 10:02 PM

30. Don't Know If I Should Call This Corruption OR SADNESS!

No matter, they've been trying to take a good man down! I'm now seriously wavering as to whether I CAN vote for Hillary if she's the nominee!

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Response to ChiciB1 (Reply #30)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:20 PM

55. Jill Stein

She's smart.

Shes a doctor, shes a healer, not a warmonger.

She's a viable alternative.

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Response to Baobab (Reply #55)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 03:19 PM

60. I Know A Lot About Her, Like Her... BUT I'm Feelin' The Bern! n/t

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Mar 18, 2016, 11:58 PM

33. Excellent video, thanks for posting.

Reasonable and insightful comments all through it. I have a feeling people posting negative comments didn't watch it and are just reacting to the title.

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Response to dgauss (Reply #33)

Sun Mar 20, 2016, 11:23 PM

62. "negative comments"

 

I don't see any "negative comments" (thank you ignore feature )

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:15 AM

35. most perplexing to me is labor

I'm a teacher. Why the teachers union would back Hillary is crazy to me. Why any union backs Hillary is crazy to me.

The people that need to see and read all this aren't watching or reading.

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Response to snowy owl (Reply #35)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:25 AM

36. they are busy surviving and raising their families

or caring for an elderly relative. those of us who can afford the time to do the reading and research can spread what we learn/glean - and help with getting out the vote. this is what the revolution consists of - millions of people doing what they can when they can - but doing it. be the bern.

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Response to snowy owl (Reply #35)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 03:52 AM

39. Yes, I think that IS one difficulty: The dumbing down of the U.S. electorate...

...has WORKED to a large degree. You just have to watch TV to know that. It is mesmerizing, brain altering and extremely propagandistic on behalf of the 1%. Any cohesive narrative--whether drama, comedy or news--is constantly fractured with commercials selling consumption as the only value, and worse, co-opting love, babies, children, motherhood, sex, sports, family, community, love of animals, and many other inherently good things in order to sell consumerism as the only value.

But the worst part is the fracturing of consciousness that occurs when EVERY narrative is broken up. People lose--and I think have lost, catastrophically--the ability to follow a coherent narrative to the end. Marshal McLuhan was right: the medium is the message. TV (as it is) = don't think, don't analyze, don't question, don't meditate, don't try to follow a logical path, don't go deep, but do be self-involved!

Many older voters tend to get their news from TV; most younger voters are turning to the internet because TV news is such a pile of horse manure. We see this divide in the current Democratic primaries.

The original drafters and promoters of the Fairness Doctrine, for the regulation of TV and radio, and including both liberals and people like Dwight Eisenhower (responsible Republicans) were scared to death of the potential power of the new media to destroy democracy and to unleash another Hitler (who was a clever user, and early exploiter, of mass media). That is why they hedged broadcast media around with all sorts of strong regulations to ensure no monopolies, fairness to all political views and public service requirements. One of their main tenets was that the broadcast airwaves belong to the PUBLIC, collectively, and MUST be used FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD. And one of the most destructive coups of the Reagan junta was the axing of the Fairness Doctrine, and that was made even worse by the Clintons' Telecommunications act.

However, I think that Americans are struggling to overcome this fracturing of their attention spans. Many know they are being brainwashed and lied to. But they are having trouble getting hold of a narrative of their own success at restoring democracy and their dignity as citizens of a once great democracy.

That's where Bernie Sanders has come in. He is fighting within this system of fractured consciousness to RESTORE our belief in ourselves as citizens and our ability to follow a rather complex and truthful analysis of our situation. It is just about the most difficult and most revolutionary thing anybody could be doing.

The system has and will continue to try to to kill the Sanders movement because it is about a coherent narrative from the past to the present, that is, CONTINUITY with the past: with the New Deal, with strong labor unions, with a strong middle class, with upward mobility of the poor, with strong environmental and food safety regulation, with strong regulation of corporations and heavy taxation of the rich for the common good.

Reagan, Bush I & II and the Clintons broke that continuity, and the Corporate Media reinforces that break in every way possible, including the most fundamental way: our ability to even know about it and think about it. We're supposed to forget who we were and what we had--an increasingly equitable society. We're supposed to think that that is impossible. We're supposed to believe, for instance, that strong labor unions kill productivity and prosperity, when the opposite is true. And we're NOT supposed to suspect the utter corruption of current labor union leaders in endorsing Hillary Clinton, without consulting their members.

The TV networks used to broadcast the entirety of our national political conventions, even unto platform fights in committees, as A PUBLIC SERVICE. When they started reducing that coverage and fragmenting it and selectively choosing what to show according to their own lights, I knew we were in trouble, though I didn't know how big the trouble was.

We can see the fracturing of consciousness that Corporate broadcasting has wrought with this question of Clinton supporters: 'Why do you support Hillary Clinton?'

They cannot answer it. They have no answer. They support her because the TV tells them to. They won't listen to a LONG list damning facts about Clinton's filthy donor list or her advisers (Kissinger and Kagan, for godssakes!). They don't care about the Clinton Crime bill or the Clinton Telecommunications act, or the Clinton mass incarceration of the black and the brown, or Glass-Steagall, or Clinton "Free Trade for the Rich," or Hillary's complicity in the fascist coup in Honduras, or her carrying out part of the Neocons' "Project for a New American Century" in Iraq, Libya and Syria. The women supporters can't even take in that Hillary has waffled on abortion rights! They just DON'T CARE. They CAN'T TAKE IT IN. They can't think BACK. They can't follow the narrative. The TV tells them that Hillary was "inevitable" and Hillary is now "the winner," and that's all they want to know.

Bill Curry is right to warn us, though at first I felt his analysis like a stab in the heart. He basically says that all we can hope for now is Sanders hitting the convention with around 40% of the delegates and having some influence on the platform and on events and speeches.

I don't share his pessimism about the immediate future. I think that we and Sanders CAN still win the nomination. We should not underestimate Sanders or ourselves. And Clinton's 300 delegate lead is not that great. (With all of her advantages, including all kinds of rigging in her favor, she should have done much better.) But I DO think it's wise to realize that this "impossible" campaign--which has done so amazingly well, against huge odds--has an uphill battle in the coming months. Our party has been hijacked by the Corporate Rulers and too many voters can't think past the latest news clip followed by commercials.

We need to double-down on educating voters, adding to the already huge "small donor" list, canvassing, phoning and all manner of campaigning. We can still win this--it is not out of reach--and we're building a movement for the future, to end Corporate Rule, and to restore our peoples' ability to think deeply and to think long term.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:25 AM

37. No, Bernie's path to the nomination is blocked by Democratic voters who prefer Hillary. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #37)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:03 PM

50. Not really. Bernie's big problem

Is people are afraid of change...even positive change. Hillary offers none of that. Bernie does, and so does Trump.

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Response to noiretextatique (Reply #50)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:00 PM

52. Hillary assures steady progress. Bernie has a lot of big problems.

People being "afraid of positive change" is not one of them.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 02:25 AM

38. informative share - thanks mother earth nt

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 07:29 AM

42. K&R!

 

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 09:37 AM

44. Silly Me

 

I thought it was votes.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 11:52 AM

48. AMEN

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 12:01 PM

49. Jimmy Carter said USA is an oligarchy

And he's no flaming leftist.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:23 PM

57. The propaganda has gotten out of control in the USA these days.

 

We live in Bizarro land thanks to the media.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Mar 19, 2016, 08:40 PM

59. Kick and R

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