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Wars for the Oligarchs, Has the IMF Annexed Ukraine?

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Michael Hudson Report: Finance is a new kind of war and forced sell offs that the IMF is imposing is a new kind of battle ground

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=13211


HUDSON: Well, the terms on which the IMF make loans, first of all, are based on austerity. The terms require more austerity and a withdrawal of all the public subsidies. Now you have Ukrainian population absolutely devastated. The only result of the IMF's austerity a program that--the conditions that it's laying down for making loans to Ukraine is you have to repay the debts. But you don't have the ability to repay their debts. So there's only one way to do it, and that's the way that we've told Greece and other countries to do: you have to begin selling off whatever you have left of your public domain, or you have to have your meeting oligarchs take on partnerships with American or European investors, so that they can buy out into the monopolies in the Ukraine. So, essentially, the IMF has a two-stage one-two punch. The punch number one is: here's the money; now you have to repay us after cutting back public spending and causing a depression. The two punch is: oh, you can't pay us? I'm sorry that all of our projections are wrong. And the IMF has been wrong on Ukraine year after year, almost as much as it's been wrong on Ireland and on Greece.

So now the real problem is: what is Ukraine going to have to sell off to pay the foreign debts that it gets for having waged the war that's devastated the economy? Well, the main things that the foreign investors want are Ukrainian farmland. Monsanto has been buying into Ukraine. But Ukraine has a law against alienating its farmland and agricultural land to foreigners. And a matter of fact, its law is very much the same as what the Financial Times reports that Australia is wanting to do today, to block Chinese and American purchase of farmlands. The IMF's position is you have to dismantle public regulations against foreign investment and you have to dismantle consumer production and environmental protection regulations. So, in other words, what is in store for Ukraine is a neoliberal policy that's guaranteed to actually make it even worse. And in that sense, finance is war, finance is the new kind of warfare using finance and forced selloffs in the IMF is a new kind of battlefield. So I'm not sure how all of this is going to really help Ukraine, and it promises to lead to yet another crisis down the road very, very quickly.

PERIES: Michael, let's unpack the debt of this crisis. Now, the war has led Ukraine into a deeper crisis. Talk about the devastation that has caused and what they have to manage in addition to what the IMF is trying to impose on it.

HUDSON: Well, when Kiev went to war against Eastern Ukraine, it fought primarily the coal mining region and the export region. Thirty-eight percent of Ukraine's exports are to Russia. And yet this was the--the export capacity has been bombed out of existence. And, in fact, the electric companies that fuel the electricity to the coal mines been bombed out. So Ukraine can't even supply itself with coal.

Now, that's very--what is so striking about all this is that just a few weeks ago, on January 28, Christine Lagarde, the head of the IMF, said the IMF does not make loans to countries that are engaged in war. That would be funding one side or another. And yet Ukraine is involved in a civil war.

And also the IMF articles of agreement say that it cannot make loans to an insolvent country. So how on earth can the IMF be part of a loan bailout for the Ukraine if, number one, it's at war, the war has to stop totally; number two, it's insolvent? The only solution is that Ukraine will somehow scale back its debts to private investors. And that means a lot of contrary hedge funds investors.

So, again, the Financial Times today has an article showing that an American investor has $7 billion of Ukraine debts and wants to speculate in it. How is Ukraine going to treat the speculators? And then, finally, how is the IMF going to treat the fact that Russia's sovereign fund lent 3 billion euros to the Ukraine on harsh terms through the London agreement terms that can't be written down? Is the IMF going to insist that Russia take the same haircut that it's imposing on the hedge funds? All of this is going to be the kind of conflict that's going to take much more effort than even the solutions that we've seen over the last few days have taken on the military battlefront.

PERIES: And so how could Ukraine imagine getting out of this crisis?

HUDSON: It imagines it'll get out of the crisis by the West giving it $50 billion and saying, here's all the money you need, spend it as you want. That's the extent of its imagination. This is fantasy. It's living in a dream world, except that a few weeks ago, George Soros came out in The New York Review of Books and said, give Ukraine $50 billion and look at it as a down payment on military or with Russia. Well, immediately Kiev said, yes, we will only spend them on defensive arms. We will defend Ukraine all the way up to Siberia as we wipe out the Russians.

Today, yet another Financial Times article said, yes, give Ukraine the 50 billion that George Soros asked for. We've got to enable it to have enough money that it can fight America's war against Russia. And the Europeans are saying, wait a minute, not only at the end of this, but there'll be no more Ukrainians to fight, but the war is going to spread into Poland and into elsewhere, because if the money that's given to Ukraine is really for what the Obama administration and Hillary and Soros are all pressing for to go to war with Russia, then Russia's going to say, okay, if we're being attacked by foreign troops, we're going to have to not only bomb the troops, but the airports are coming in, the railway stations are coming in. We're going to extended towards Europe. And apparently there are reports that Putin told Europe, look, you have two choices before you. The one choice: Europe, Germany, and Russia can be a very prosperous area. With Russia's raw materials and European technology, we can be the most prosperous area in the world. Or you can go to war with us and you can be wiped out. Take your choice.


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All roads lead to the same villains.

Edited to add: I am no Putin lover or apologist, he certainly has shown us who and what he is, but beyond that, I am no lover of these financial wars aimed at bringing nations to their knees.

Having said that, I am really tired of the RT slams on this board too. Is there no room for opposing opinions, are we to only post and view what is presented by our own mainstream media? If that is the case, we are in more serious trouble than I believed possible. If a democratic board cannot allow for opinions which mostly come from our own US presenters simply because they are on RT...then we are beyond lost and no different than the GOP who get their lockstep talking points. Aren't we the party that self-examines & sees the bigger picture.

This is my humble opinion, but I honestly think if we call everything conspiracy if it does not fit with what TV tells us to think, we've lost our capacity for rational and free thinking, and we may as well all join the military, because it is our main focus, not life, not people, just war and more war.

In the above snipped interview...it states
there'll be no more Ukrainians to fight, but the war is going to spread into Poland and into elsewhere


When is enough, enough? Ok, stepping off the soapbox, but I do feel it needs to be said. We are democrats, we once believed and were told by FDR that dissent is our duty.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:00 PM

1. Shock Doctrine.

Now the Ukrainian people will have their pound of flesh extracted for the benefit of bankers and global oligarchs.

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Response to pa28 (Reply #1)

Fri Feb 27, 2015, 10:54 PM

2. And don't forget "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man", it's all the same, blood for profits to

exploit national resources, no surprise Monsanto was mentioned.

The oligarchs and banksters don't give a damn about human lives.

They thrive when austerity decimates a country, always on the backs of the working class and poor, adding interest upon interest to the "bailouts", privatization...we know the whole ball of wax by now. Don't we?

This is a humanitarian crisis and that crisis is going global. Who is safe? Who is next?

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:24 AM

3. OMG. Conspiracy Theory/ reversal of reality by the Kremlin's latest shill, "Michael Hudson"

 

The Kremlin has been caught hiring PR firms to get "useful fools"

"Meet The PR Firm That Helped Vladimir Putin Troll The Entire Country"

...Using filings from the Justice Department, the non-profit ProPublica detailed last November how Ketchum helped place op-eds by "seemingly independent professionals" that praised Russia in outlets like CNBC and the Huffington Post, among others, without proper disclosure.

It is not unusual for a PR firm to work with a government.
There's more:

http://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-nyt-op-ed-ketchum-pr-2013-9#ixzz2ejAKeAlK

I suspect "The Real News Network" (shades of FOX's "Fair and Balanced" is in the new pipeline. Check out this RWNJ report they did a while ago. Putin is worth at least $100 Billion in stolen roubles so it can pay for a lot of BS like this

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Response to uhnope (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:10 AM

6. I'll ck out those links later, BUT

I think what needs to be done is to start a list of all things and people who are part of this propaganda war to warp our minds and manipulate our thinking on Vladimir Putin and win him an adoring following.

So far, from your criticism, the list is as follows:

Russia Today (RT) and of course that would include Thom Hartmann

The Real News Network (TRNN) and of course that would include Chris Hedges, Michael Hudson, that’s a big list, I’m sure there’s more, since they are an offshoot of Fox News which should also be added, because many an intelligent person is being fooled by the eloquently speaking anchors.

We've got to stop listening to Richard Wolff too, I can think of at least six universities who should be notified immediately of his nature so as not to allow him to warp young minds in his classes, as well, along with adding his books to the bonfire. Pacifica Radio & the New York Times must be alerted, or they too should be added to our list to avoid.

We should ban certain books & perhaps resort to burning them & purging them from the internet & Amazon for starters, the big two of course, Shock Doctrine & Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

Help me out if I’ve missed something.
Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve always thought many of my fellow Du’ers are intelligent enough to sift through a vast amount of information, discarding the “useful fools” along the way. I guess Putie hasn’t learned that yet, being how he is no believer in democracy & how our own MSM is quite objective and fearless when it comes to reporting all of the truth & nothing but the truth.
I’m going to need to compile a list of the “safe” sites, the channels we should be watching & all those economists who are NOT paid schills for Putin. Who are they by the way, uhnope?

I hope we have all seen the errors of our ways this morning. I know I have. I have learned much about “useful fools”.

TY, uhnope, I have recalled a historical era and the term, "McCarthyism" and see it is alive and well and pertains not only to our collective experience at DU, but our country, our global world. I commend you for doing that in your time here. Well done.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:30 PM

8. You are too kind

I could take a hide per day with this one and spend my life in time out. I'm nearly bursting with self restraint.

Kill' em with kindness? Nice technique.

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Response to libodem (Reply #8)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:01 PM

9. Everyday we spend here, we are telling people exactly who we are. Why not take that opportunity to

teach and/or learn? We take for granted that every time we come to DU to post, it is solely for the interaction we have with each other, but it is truly far more than that.

Believe me, I hate politics these days and I don't suffer fools, my inspiration comes from people who truly have a vision and it is what makes me see so much more is possible and for that I don't sweat the small stuff.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #6)

Sun Mar 1, 2015, 11:38 PM

12. when using sarcasm, you have to be more careful

 

Since everything in a sarcastic post means its opposite, can you explain how this is sarcastic:

I guess Putie hasn’t learned that yet, being how he is no believer in democracy


Did you forget the sarcasm when you said " I guess Putie hasn’t learned that yet, being how he is no believer in democracy" ?
Or do you think that Putin is a believer in democracy?

I just don't understand the pass that Putin is getting from some who consider themselves progressive. He's the most dangerous fascist force in Eastern Europe, assassinating all opponents in his path, waging war, occupying sovereign countries for "New Russia" and conducting a slow pogrom on gays, progressives, dissidents, and anyone who doesn't play ball with his kleptocracy.

Can you explain?


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Response to uhnope (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 02:25 PM

13. Where was I sarcastic? I thought I made myself crystal clear on all fronts. My progressive nature

is extremely transparent. I give passes to no one, your interpretation needs work. Every post I make is about the kleptocracy sweeping globally.

You missed the main point of my earlier reply. Here it is: McCarthyism....stop looking for witch hunts.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 03:47 PM

14. Here's the definition of sarcasm

 

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sarcasm

: the use of words that mean the opposite of what you really want to say especially in order to insult someone, to show irritation, or to be funny


Here is a passage from your post:
I guess Putie hasn’t learned that yet, being how he is no believer in democracy & how our own MSM is quite objective and fearless when it comes to reporting all of the truth & nothing but the truth.

So, obvious sarcasm about the "MSM," but unclear about Putin. Could you clear that up? Just wondering how you see this. I know that Richard Wolff thing still stings but this something very different, since your OP contains an article that is pushing some basic BS, "Has the IMF Annexed Ukraine?", really insulting BS since Russia has literally invaded and annexed the Ukraine, and Russia's theft of people's wealth makes the IMF look like child's play. And it all looks even worse now that the world once again sees Putin for what he is, re the assassination of Nemstov. Please clear that up thx.

On edit, I see your edit:
Edited to add: I am no Putin lover or apologist, he certainly has shown us who and what he is, but beyond that, I am no lover of these financial wars aimed at bringing nations to their knees.


"but"...? You don't think Putin is conducting a financial war--a kleptocracy--that makes the IMF look like the Red Cross?

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Response to uhnope (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:15 PM

15. No need to define sarcasm, there is no sarcasm in reply #6, I stand by that.

Yes, I was being sarcastic in the OP:

our own MSM is quite objective and fearless


because we are all aware of Fox's reputation. Sorry if I offended you by not using the sarcasm alert,
and I'm delighted you did see my edit. Well done.

Can you clarify for me that you understand the concept of McCarthyism?
I'm curious since it is a well learned historical lesson and is imperative that we sometimes revisit these painful lessons from our nation's past, so as not to repeat them.

I thank you for kicking my OP, and have enjoyed our discourse.

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Response to uhnope (Reply #12)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:39 PM

17. Uhnope, I replied about Nemstov on your OP posted here. As far as my lesson on

the insult you made about Richard Wolff on the video you allude to here, there is no sting. My reaction was hidden by jury decision and I accept that, I too alerted on you on that very thread...because you go after anyone posting RT or views that you feel support Putin, I have stated repeatedly. I accept that my alert was not hidden, and in retrospect I fully understand why.

I feel as you do about Putin. So I am grateful for this opportunity to clear the air here.

My only issue with you is that you repeatedly go after topics on the video/mm board of DU if someone merely posts an RT video.
Just because we time to time post something from RT does not mean we are supporting Putin. A clear example of that is Thom Hartmann's videos, and other posters here have echoed the same sentiments.

We merely object to the freedom to not be harassed if we post something we find of value. Which is why I ask you if you understand the lesson of McCarthyism.

Nobody's paying people who post RT videos here, at least not that I'm aware of, and I doubt Michael Hudson or TRNN is paid to schill for Putin.

So, once again, a big TY.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:05 PM

19. OK thx

 

I deleted my other post since you answered here.

I do go after RT videos, especially when they are posted by obvious supporters of Putin and there are plenty of other sources for the same info that could be posted. (I usually give Hartmann RT vids a pass, even though it's a crying shame he's been forced into that corner. Liz Wahl and Sara Firth did the honorable thing re RT, it's too bad Hartmann hasn't.) IMO there is little to no reason to ever post an RT video, since the same info, without the pro-Kremlin spin/implication, can be found elsewhere; indeed even Hartmann has his radio shows on video and those could be posted instead.

McCarthy was a unprincipled thug. JFK's Cold War liberalism was something else. Anyway, we won't have to go there because Putin's Russia, no matter how bad it's getting, is in nowhere near the power position of Soviet Russia.

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Response to uhnope (Reply #19)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:22 PM

20. TY for this reply. I honestly applaud your candor. This has become painfully obvious to me, and

I know it is so easy to get swept away when you are passionate about a topic. I think anyone at DU feels passionate about issues.

I'm not the enemy, you aren't the enemy. I think we can come to agreement that there is so much to open our eyes to, which is the only reason I come here.

Look, after all this silly drama, you and I can go forward now and actually talk something out. We may not always agree, but I know you now for your honesty instead of for your provocation. Who says peaceful negotiation cannot work?

I get why you are against RT, I disagree that it is necessary, is all. I hope we have paved the way for all of us to "allow for".

Peace, not war, uhnope.



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Response to mother earth (Reply #20)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:33 PM

21. ohy

 

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Response to uhnope (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 05:51 PM

22. I'm hoping we can get back on topic on this OP, and maybe different economic theories can

really be something that is actually looked at, if we can get past the glaring fact that this OP involves the Ukraine.

I also hope you might be able to view the new Richard Wolf video I posted. He speaks about Marxism on that video. I know your knee jerk reaction is to feel it is a "Russia" or Putin thing, but I'm hoping you might be able to see past that this time and hear the man out on this one. I enjoy hearing him because he is a professor and speaks in easy to understand terms.



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Response to mother earth (Reply #22)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:09 PM

23. I respect the fact that brainy people like to explore economic theories

 

and I definitely overreacted to Richard Wolff. It's just because he has been posted on DU by the actual supporters of Putin's fascism here, so I thought he was yet another Trojan Horse.

I have to apologize that I'm no longer too good for academic explorations into theoretical alternatives or philosophical possibilities. I think it's great that people like to discuss these things but I don't. I like Coltrane but I'm more of a Sex Pistols/Pussy Riot kind of person.

The OP is unfortunate because it's a thinly veiled attack on the West vis a vis Ukraine, and a thinly-veiled distraction from the devastation being enacted on Ukraine by Putin's Russia.

I know about the downsides of the IMF/World Bank machinations. But the main thing is that I travelled thru Europe soon after the Berlin Wall came down, and I saw the results of the post WW2 US/West/capitalism's influence, with all its faults, on Western Europe, versus the effect of so-called Communism/Stalinism/Kleptocracy on Central and Eastern Europe. Not just in economic terms but in basic freedoms, flourishing of art. I mean, just West Germany vs East Germany. France vs Czech Republic. There a little comparison to be made--one side of the wall had the closest to what the world has achieved in providing basic requirements of material and freedom, the other side was a disaster. (And I no longer think it was even a disaster of an economic theory, I think that theory was a ruse to enact a totalitarian kleptocracy--one that existed before Communism with the Tsars and continues now in the form of Putin's Russia.)

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Response to uhnope (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 06:23 PM

24. I think economists have a far greater grasp on what is playing out in the Ukraine, Greece, and

here. Every single exploitation is connected to the oligarchs by the same method. I think this main issue gets sidetracked and purposely so the carnage can continue.

I don't think economic theories are for brainy people, a good understanding of this is essential to the everyday person, from any walk of life, if we want real change. Change is going to come from people with the ability to present new ideas and to think outside of the box. The world is changing, the old ideas need a good brushing off for the lessons they give us, not for the way forward.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:14 PM

25. No I don't think so. All the economists laid end to end would never reach a conclusion

 

I listen to Krugman and maybe Stiglitz but that's it. No, sorry, the OP article is a flaming heap of dung. Look at Hudson's quote:
"Well, when Kiev went to war against Eastern Ukraine"
WTF? It did not "go to war" with itself. First Russia invaded, occupied and "annexed" Crimea and then Russia started the proxy war in eastern Ukraine. And that Hudson is probably getting paid to spout this stuff, because he's suddenly very popular in certain quarters.

The IMF is not the main guilty party in Ukraine--the fascist occupying force of Putin's Russia is the guilty party. As I said before, Putin's kleptocracy makes the IMF look like Doctors Without Borders.
No, sorry, calling BS on Hudson, TRNN and the whole rolodex

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Response to uhnope (Reply #25)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:23 PM

28. Here we go again, rinse, repeat. I totally disagree, I don't think you are actually listening to

any of the OP, but that's you prerogative.

I guess we are back to a review on the principles of McCarthyism. He too saw commies everywhere, from blacklisting actors & on and on. With a return to cold war tactics, the old stink rises again, while the oligarchy banks on it. Fascism rises with austerity, so if you are truly against fascism, I am very confused as to why you are so resistant and so insistent. But then maybe something more is at play.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #28)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:40 PM

32. What part of ""Well, when Kiev went to war against Eastern Ukraine" is not BS to you?

 

You are the one not addressing the issues I raise and instead keep repeating "McCarthyism." Wake up, it's the 21st century, stop imagining McCarthys hiding under your bed

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Response to uhnope (Reply #32)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:48 PM

33. You have made your "points", but you are very transparent and it isn't me afraid of a boogieman

under the bed.

So, this was an exercise in futility, but it was revealing at the same time. So, once more, TY

In the big game of disinfo, transparency is winning. Don't take that as an attack for Putin again. It's a win for revealing why there are so many attacks on discussion boards, the disruptors always reveal themselves for who and what they are.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #33)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:52 PM

34. Why can't you answer the question. + If you're so concerned, reply to post #18

 

and that Ezra Pound was an rabid anti-Semite, and the "Zeitgeist" films are wacky CT, but these you praise?????

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Response to uhnope (Reply #34)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:59 PM

35. DeSwiss is completely capable of answering your reply. Stop with disruption of

threads and the witch hunt. You've pretty much outed yourself, and not in a good way.

Take it or leave it...really. Our interaction is over.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #35)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:03 PM

36. lol. Calling BS is not "disruption." Neither is calling out anti-Semites like Pound

 

If you didn't know that about Pound or Zeitgeist then I don't blame you for accidentally praising it

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Response to uhnope (Reply #23)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:16 PM

26. There is no "thinly veiled attack" to help Putin, the attack on Ukraine is about empire & this

OP is about how it is being driven by the IMF. It's played over and over again, as mentioned, across the globe.

You changed your thinking on Wolff & understand McCarthyism, so I'm hopeful you will begin to see through the banksters making debt slaves of nations, and for profit wars that serve oligarchy. There is more to what's going on than what the masses see as simple military actions, war is morphing and is more and more about money and exploitation than anything else.

Economics has everything to do with kleptocracy, so I am confused if you see it on one level, but not another.

You might want to learn more about Naomi Klein's, Shock Doctrine, from wiki:
The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism is a 2007 book by the Canadian author Naomi Klein, and is the basis of a 2009 documentary by the same name directed by Michael Winterbottom.[1] The book argues that libertarian free market policies (as advocated by the economist Milton Friedman) have risen to prominence in some developed countries because of a deliberate strategy by some political leaders. These leaders exploit crises to push through controversial exploitative policies while citizens are too emotionally and physically distracted by disasters or upheavals to mount an effective resistance. The book implies that some man-made crises, such as the Iraq war, may have been created with the intention of pushing through these unpopular policies in their wake.

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Response to uhnope (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:29 PM

29. You really need to take time to read. NO, not Naomi Wolff, Naomi Klein. You posted an OP

and you really don't know the difference or remember her name?

Seriously...you seem to have a real lack of knowledge of some democratic issues and the people who have made them common topics at DU. Odd.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:33 PM

30. ok ok I read it wrong

 

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Response to uhnope (Reply #30)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 09:35 PM

31. You sure do. nt

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Response to uhnope (Reply #3)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:37 AM

7. I'm going to add a link that explains one of the biggest lessons from the last cold war,

since we seem to be re-entering one with some familiar twists and turns, alike but different, just for the sake of younger lurkers or those who may need a memory jolt of all of the glories of Sen. Joseph McCarthy & his witch hunt.

http://www.coldwar.org/articles/50s/senatorjosephmccarthy.asp

No doubt there is plenty of info freely available, but its nice to pop them in where need be at times like these.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:39 AM

4. Wars of any sort create jobs ...that's how low we have gone.

 

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 12:59 AM

5. War is the Capitalist's Primary Business Model

 

- All other scams are a variation of this one. It was perfected by the moneychangers hundreds of years ago, and who are still running the same exact con.

If armed force is a monopoly, it can not only be used to protect vested interests—it can also be made to turn a profit. Since Adams wrote the Law, manipulation of international conflict has become a fine art. This demands a thesis in itself, but Pound’s references to the practice deserve a brief mention.

Canto 38, in particular, cites the manipulations of Metevsky (Sir Basil Zaharoffb ), Akers (Vickers), and Herr Krupp. All three were munitions manufacturers who were able to sell huge quantities of armaments to both sides in a conflict by encouraging them to surpass each other in destructive potential—a game which combined the most exciting features of a Dutch Auction and Russian Roulette. But wars not only boost sales, they can also prevent goods from becoming so abundant that they fall in price:

When there is danger of abundance of any, or almost all, commodities, then the usurocracy unleashes a war in order to diminish purchasing power.

What better way to neutralise abundance than to concentrate production in goods which are ceremonially destroyed, as in a primitive potlatch? Of coarse, now that total war has become an anachronism, the ceremony must take place within a limited area. Such practices are difficult to document, since all evidence is classified in the interests of “national security”.

Even the Pentagon Papers tell us more about the relatively public world of government than the private world of finance. But G. William Domhoff, in his important and meticulously documented book, Who Rules America?, offers powerful evidence that industry is the dominant partner in America’s military-industrial complex. And, according to George Thayer in The War Business,

The government officials who sell arms today have power that Zaharoff never dreamed of, they are protected to a degree that no private entrepreneur of old ever enjoyed, and they operate with less restraints upon them than even those few imposed on the master arms merchant himself two score years ago.

'The Economics of Human Energy' in Brooks Adams, Ezra Pound, and Robert Theobald - by John Whiting, London University


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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:18 PM

10. DeSwiss, I wish I could K & R every response you ever give on any of my OP's. You are always a

giving and kind influence whose integrity I have come to count on. TY for your response.

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 28, 2015, 10:28 PM

11. I often wonder if people truly get what you bring to the table...here's some info on Jacque Fresco.

Jacque Fresco

Jacque Fresco, is an American futurist and self-described social engineer. Fresco is self-taught and has worked in a variety of positions related to industrial design. Fresco writes and lectures his views on sustainable cities, energy efficiency, natural-resource management, cybernetic technology, automation, and the role of science in society. Fresco directs The Venus Project. Fresco advocates global implementation of a socioeconomic system which he refers to as a "resource-based economy."
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Born: Mar 13, 1916 (age 98) · Brooklyn, New York
Partner: Roxanne Meadows
Spouse: Patricia Fresco
Founded: The Venus Project


What is The Venus Project?

The Venus Project proposes an alternative vision of what the future can be if we apply what we already know in order to achieve a sustainable new world civilization. It calls for a straightforward redesign of our culture in which the age-old inadequacies of war, poverty, hunger, debt and unnecessary human suffering are viewed not only as avoidable, but as totally unacceptable. Anything less will result in a continuation of the same catalogue of problems inherent in today's world. Today many people believe what is needed is a higher sense of ethical standards and the enactment of international laws to assure a sustainable global society.


For more info:
https://www.thevenusproject.com/en/

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Response to DeSwiss (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 2, 2015, 04:50 PM

18. Ezra Pound on Economics? What next, Protocols of the Elders of Zion ????

 

unbelievable. And Zeitgeist in the same post?
Zeitgeist: The Movie is a 2007 documentary-style film by Peter Joseph presenting a number of conspiracy theory-based ideas. The film disputes the historicity of Jesus Christ (the Christ myth theory) and claims that the 9/11 attacks in 2001 were pre-arranged by New World Order forces, and claims that bankers manipulate world events.


So rapid anti-Semite Ezra Pound and then Zeitgeist conspiracy theory that "bankers manipulate world events."

Sounds like people trying to find euphemisms for "Jews run the world" BS, DeSwiss

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Mon Mar 2, 2015, 10:10 PM

37. .

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