Forensic Pathologist Cyril Wecht SHUTS DOWN All Nonsense in Michael Brown Case

So that might help to explain angle of bullets.

"an absurd scenario"...absolutely.

nuff said

Thank you for saying it clearly and succinctly. No mealy mouth punditry, just the FACTS. The only part that he was wrong about is that Mike Brown was 150 feet away, not the 35 feet that Wilson lied about. Which makes the story even more absurd.

Thank god someone is crying foul on this awful coverup.

Obviously Wilson had chased him. The Forensics guy is saying that the gun was 30-35 feet from Brown when it was fired.

Once a gun is more than about 7 feet away it cannot be determined how far away the gun was. It is correct that Wilson's SUV was nearly 150 feet away from where Brown's prone body lay.

Wilson fired two shots from within the police SUV. One hit the door panel and the other struck Brown, according to Brown's friend that was with him. The guess is that this is the shot that struck the base of Brown's thumb. Wilson fired 12 shots, which I believe means he emptied his gun into Brown. I have heard nothing to indicate where the shell casings were recovered. Was no record kept on this vital evidence?

This guy is saying Brown was 6'5 and Wilson was 6'0?

200 lbs, so lighter than Mike Brown. I'm reading the Dorian Johnson testimony in pieces and it is the most believable explanation. Because it makes no sense that Brown would just attack Wilson for no reason, but it does explain the aggressive move to back up the car and almost hit them, then hit them with the car door, and then grab Brown by the next.

And the most obvious thing is, whenever Johnson get to the part where Wilson is doing something the ADA stops him and asks him a question about robbing the store or walking in the middle of the street. It's so obvious that they won't let him tell a clear, coherent story. It is so so obvious.

Simple, logical and the real scenario. Wilson was pisst, shot Mike dead....hands up, don't shoot . That's what happened.

all riled up in anger and staying on an anger high until he had to explode?

put on the uniform. My dad was a cop for 30 years and he HATED jerks like Wilson. The snippet of his interview I saw creeped me out.

First, he appeared to have given in to the notion that Michael Brown went for his gun. There is no evidence that was the case.

Second, he said that Brown was 35 feet away. Recent measurements made that distance closer to 140 feet.

He can only comment, based on the wounds and bullet depth and what not, on the distance between gun and target. Presumably, Wilson pursued Brown for quite some distance.

that is how I see it too - Wilson was dissed and pursued Mike Brown to his death.

I think he realized that he had best kill Brown or Brown would be able to testify against him.

He still might not get convicted even with this evidence from the bullet trajectories.

It always depends on who is on the jury.

And just like that...the DA's case to the GJ, is shown to be a horse and pony show.

By the way, where was this testimony during the GJ? Just another reason to be mad as hell.

the anchor wanted to hear. He was awesome.

The testimony before the grand jury (including that of Darren Wilson) has, in the public's mind, become the definitive narrative of the events in the Michael Brown shooting.

Game over.

....between what happened in the Grand Jury room and what happens when forensic evidence gets a "cross examination". The outcome is that there is enough conflict that the case needs to go to Trial.

One question: I've read that Wilson was 6'4", not 6' as this man says. Same height as Michael Brown. So his scenario of trajectory doesn't quite fit. Not sure what to make of it.

Baden stated that there were no signs of struggle on Brown's body or evidence that his knuckles had hit anything. Also, his autopsy showed that a wound in Brown's arm was consistent with one of the witness' statement who said Brown at first ran away and was shot from behind.

...before the Grand Jury. If so, his testimony should be included in the transcripts that were released.

Perhaps CNN had already decided that Wilson SHOULD get away with it!

PEACE!

has been on for years, and has never seen a dollar she wouldn't walk on someone else for.

him, that when the dickweed cop backed up his car they had to jump out of the way to keep from being run over. He ended up with them right next to his door so that when he tried to open the door it hit them and bounced back shut. This pissed off Wilson who then grabbed Brown and pulled him into the window. After the struggle, officer Dickweed must have been real pissed that Brown had the nerve to hit him and resist the rough, unprofessional treatment. I think that is when he decided to shoot Brown and claim self defense. This guy is right, Brown was no threat, and Dickweed's claim that Brown was charging him, while reaching into his basketball shorts for a pretend gun while being shot at is ludicrous! The shorts would fall down if he had a gun in them, he couldn't run fast with one hand by his pants, and no one is that stupid to run at someone who has already shot him! This was clearly a setup fraud at every single turn.

The question I have though is that this guy says that Dickweed was six feet tall. Others have written that he was 6'4", which is it?

Could stack shit that high.

afraid of getting the SHIT kicked out of him! Lol

said in his fantasy testimony that he was 6' 4." If Michael Brown had his arm raised, the trajectory would have been upward, even if they are the same height. The Murdering Bastard would not be shooting from eye-level, but a lower position. He was going to kill Michael Brown, no matter what.

One really stupid lie that the Murdering Bastard told was that Michael Brown hit him full force with his right hand on the right side of the Murder's ugly face. Hard to do with Murdering Bastard sitting in his SUV with the LEFT side of his head toward Michael Brown. Any person with a functioning brain cell knows that the Murdering Bastard was lying.

May the Lying Murdering Bastard exist in living Hell for the remainder of his useless life.

life behind bars with all of the black people he locked up. Too bad there is no justice for blacks. The GJ results should be wiped out as this was clearly not impartial because the SA refused to do his job, AGAIN!!!

of fucking training are these yahoos getting? Your gun should never be unholstered or within reach of anyone looking to take their gun and shoot them with it. My dad, a former MP on a military base for thirty years, would never approach someone in a vehicle and try to wrestle them while in his own vehicle, it's a trap. You are surrounded on three sides. Wilson missed training that day. He's dumber than a box of fucking hammers. Wilson is a liar along with the prosecutors and their underlings.
I too have read his height was 6'4" even at 6' he stands ten feet tall and prosecutor proof.

as I recall from watching the video an hour or so ago, there is no height disparity of the kind he uses as I understand it. My recollection is that they were both the same height, just differed in weight.

Given that he's talking/arguing about trajectories based on it, it seems to me it could be a big problem, but I'll let the big boys sort it out as to the degree of a problem it is to his wounds-based argment.

But if there was no height disparity, that makes it worse. The shots in the arm would have been upward if Wilson was sitting or rising or getting out of the car and therefore lower than Brown when those shots occurred.

that's why I decided to leave it up to "the big boys", so they could haggle over the application (which shots, when and where, etc) and changes, if any, that might result from the correction.

which means that Brown's arms were up! If they were the same height it only makes it even more so.

and I hope so.

I based all that on recollection of the mistake in height comparisons and the the way I thought he was making an argument dependent/contingent upon the accuracy of it.

And while we're not fact-averse rightwingers, it goes without saying that they'll likely sow and insist on doubt if not outright disbelief of the argument he was making based on a "well, he didn't even get their respective heights right, why should be believe the rest..." It doesn't do "our" side any good to have our mouthpieces making such glaring errors in fact citation....period.

That more than anything else is "the problem" I addressed -- the inaccuracy of his height claims. I don't see a problem with the upward trajectory in the arm shots, assuming they occurred during the struggle over the gun http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&smid=tw-nytimes&_r=0 and given their height equality, if Wilson fired from greater than (assuming "sighting/aiming" would require it) shoulder height, I'd expect a slight downward trajectory from anything that hit him in the upper torso. I am not aware of the angle of incidence/the trajectory was from what he shared, all I know is that given he thought there was a five inch height difference, that he must think it more likely it indicates he was shot while falling forward.

This is why I decided to leave it to the big boys. I have no interest in speculating or debating the merit of whatever diffs there might be between mine and that of others.

I don't recall seeing any commentary from him about the changes his fictional disparity in height of five inches would make to the scenario.

that was you with your what "that would make it worse" comment?

ANd as I recall, he placed just as much emphasis on the height disparity on the torso wounds as well, where it would certainly have an impact on the trajectory that would make a downward one far from impossible.

all but 2 witnesses said. If the shots were fired upward, his arms were up. end of story.
(We know that Wilson was standing, not crouching.) Much more evidence has come out in the past few days. Brown was more than 150 ft away.

we may have all heard plenty of "stories", but I'm afraid whatever "end" one chooses will have to involve uncertainties. That's been the case and will remain the case.

The article claims that a bullet wound in his arm indicated that he could not have been surrendering, but what Melinek really said was, “You can’t say with reasonable certainty that his hands were up based on the autopsy findings alone. The back to front and upward trajectory of the right forearm wound could occur in multiple orientations and a trajectory reconstruction would need to be done using the witness statements, casings, height of the weapon and other evidence from the scene, which have yet to be released.” http://www.staffordsmokesignal.com/news/2014/10/30/official-michael-brown-autopsy-released-more-questions-for-ferguson-pd/

it's the same with these guys http://www.kmbc.com/news/lawyer-autopsy-shows-michael-brown-repeatedly-shot/27584030

and you're as bad as he is in terms of "facts"

According to a PBS Newshour analysis of witness testimony, more than 50 percent of the witness statements said that Brown held his hands up when Wilson shot him, some 16 of 29 statements. Still, a solid 13 could not confirm that Brown made such a gesture.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2014/1202/Did-Michael-Brown-really-have-his-hands-up-when-shot-video

if you wanna see the effort of the guy who couldn't get their respective heights right as the "last word/end of story", be my guest.

SOmebody should ask Wilson why he was shooting at Browns raised arms -- the smallest target available -- as opposed to putting more into his torso, no?

Which is why they did the kangaroo grand jury.

The fact that the medical examiner failed to take a simple photograph of Mike Brown's body leaves his report in serious doubt. The medical examiner could lie in his report which is very suspicious. No one can tell me, that at the morgue, there was not a single additional battery for the camera.

The medical examiner could easily have photographed the body with his cellphone, or, if he didn't have a cellphone, he could have borrowed a cellphone from one of his assistants or one of the numerous cops that were, no doubt, in the vicinity.

The medical examiner could, for instance, change the report, falsifying the trajectory of the bullets and the wounds in the body to bolster the Wilson's defense.

Wecht speaking out about this transparent cover up is, i hope, just the beginning of unraveling that load the prosecutor dumped on us.

I get a very creepy Star Chamber type image in my head about the Ferguson cops and establishment

He didn't record Wilson's statement because he had no tape recorder. He didn't transcribe it in written form because he says too much was going on at the time. His actions or lack thereof seemed designed to prevent Wilson from getting pinned down to a version of what happened in order to allow him to change his story as the investigation unfolded. I simply cannot believe that in an officer involved shooting, a rare and highly important matter for the small town, that Wilson's statement could not have been recorded. They could have called a court reporting service to have a court stenographer come and record the statement.

to a special federal civil rights commission or something
comparable. No more local or even state handling of this
police madness.

Dr. Cyril Wecht is a voice of sanity in a country awash in delusion.

I am almost 67 years old, and I am a woman, five foot six. If any police officers need instruction in what to do in this situation, let them call on me. I will show them my right hand and right foot, which I would have used to drive the car to safety.

Just what the Grand Jury were doing for so long behind closed doors. Passing time, eating pizza, and pretending to be busy? I don't know how with this kind of evidence there could be any other ruling than homicide.

who allowed Wilson to testify for hours with no grilling
whatsoever; and according to all knowledgeable legal
sources, acted as if he were the defense attorney for
Wilson and not the people's Prosecutor.

Naturally the maggots are dredging for a snappy comeback 1234....

Does it seem to you (as it does to me), that America trains and demands
far more from the people who become teachers, than it does from the people who become
America's lethally-armed police officers?


A regular schoolteacher in America in most cases (with a few bizarre, glaring exceptions) can lose their job
due to things like low test scores or just an accusation of abuse.

A cop can bullet-riddle a rude, but unarmed kid in the street and generate
no serious performance/accountability questions other than a "nothing to see here" judgement by a
flippant grand jury?




Every day, school teachers in America pay as bigger penalty for far lesser incidents and criteria,
than do police in actual, fatal incidents.


What's wring with this picture, America?

Racist hate trumps facts. So, so take that Mr. Forensic Expert. Don't tell us what we don't want to hear. Right?