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Tue Oct 14, 2014, 11:24 AM

 

Stephen Cohens newest discussion on the Ukraine crisis.

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Reply Stephen Cohens newest discussion on the Ukraine crisis. (Original post)
go west young man Oct 2014 OP
ballyhoo Oct 2014 #1
uhnope Oct 2014 #2
go west young man Oct 2014 #3
go west young man Oct 2014 #4
Name removed Oct 2014 #9
swilton Oct 2014 #13
truth2power Oct 2014 #6
go west young man Oct 2014 #5
uhnope Oct 2014 #10
go west young man Oct 2014 #12
Name removed Oct 2014 #7
go west young man Oct 2014 #8
Name removed Oct 2014 #11
The Magistrate Oct 2014 #20
KoKo Oct 2014 #14
truth2power Oct 2014 #15
The Magistrate Oct 2014 #17
truth2power Oct 2014 #18
The Magistrate Oct 2014 #19
truth2power Oct 2014 #21
The Magistrate Oct 2014 #22
KoKo Oct 2014 #16

Response to go west young man (Original post)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 11:48 AM

1. Yep. All over but the shoutin'. The web being woven

 

is made of Western Neocon aggression--not much else.

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 11:59 AM

2. Cohen's vacation home in Moscow where he parties with dictators

 

must be needing a free upgrade

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Response to uhnope (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 12:31 PM

3. Maybe John Mearsheimer should join him there too?

 

http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/141769/john-j-mearsheimer/why-the-ukraine-crisis-is-the-wests-fault


Seems that you'd like to have all the US scholars on Russia silenced. Maybe award winning Guardian war correspondent John Pilger should also join him at the party pad?

Guardian UK war correspondent John Pilger tells the truth about Ukraine and Western propaganda http://www.discussionist.com/101459708

Because god forbid if they expose this:

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/09/16/usuk-media-coverup-of-nazis-in-ukraine-continues-unraveling-and-mh-17-falls-apart/
Duplicate thread- http://www.discussionist.com/101458043


or this:The incredulous lies of the US media on Ukraine
http://www.discussionist.com/101463288

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Response to go west young man (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 12:36 PM

4. I see my other thread got shut down already.....

 

Last edited Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:07 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017220511

didn't take long. Like I said DU ain't what it used to be. The truth is blocked and locked instead of exposed. Now this one will be locked too because I am criticizing the process. Have at it folks. Freedom is alive and well at DU and in the USA.


Here's who the real enemy is and they are all over this site.

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks

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Response to go west young man (Reply #3)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:54 PM

13. University of Chicago Professor Mearsheimer's

 

remarks which are worth their own thread are well worth heeding as are Stephen Cohen's.

Thank you for these references.

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Response to uhnope (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 12:42 PM

6. ad hominem. n/t

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 12:37 PM

5. Links to my entire 8 months work on the Ukraine crisis.

 

You will not find this first person video evidence in the Mainstream media that has been feeding you lies, deceit ad making you a victim of their propaganda.

Operation mindcrime

Links to my entire work covering the Ukraine crisis. These are threads I have compiled for video reference in chronological order going all the way back to the snipers in the Hotel Ukraine. Please bookmark and save.

The Ukrainian Crisis in Totality- February thru September – Extensive video evidence related to all major atrocities, false flags and coverups

Ukraines grassy knoll (Graphic) evidence police weren’t the only snipers. 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024616147

The Odessa Massacre – May 11th referendum 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4944357

Odessa victims/walkthrough
 http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024970928

The Mariupol Massacre- video evidence clearly shows US supported troops killed innocent civilians
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024935090

Bombing of civilians in Slavyansk 
http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/05/28/east-ukraine-shelling-of-civilians/

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/05/30/video-ukrainian-armyright-sector-bomb-childrens-school-and-hospital/

Odessa one month later
 http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/06/01/the-odessa-massacre-detailed-video-analysis-one-month-later/

Lughansk bombing 
http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/06/02/graphic-videos-terrorists-or-luganhsk-women-with-legs-blown/

Krasny Liman
 http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/06/04/ukrainian-army-kills-25-people-in-krasny-liman-hospital/

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/06/06/ukraine-crisis-and-putins-interview/

Mariupol one month later
 http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/06/08/the-mariupol-massacre-a-look-back-one-month-later-video-compilation/

Continued bombing of civilians of Slavyansk 
http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/06/09/the-bombing-of-slavyansk-still-being-conducted/

Killing of civilians by US financed nazis
http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/06/19/independence-movement-in-southeastern-ukraine-accuses-obamas-agents-of-slaughter/

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/07/01/us-backed-murder-and-ethnic-cleansing-now-fully-underway-in-east-ukraine-warning-graphic-content/

Where is the US anti-war left on Ukraine?
 http://www.discussionist.com/101430084

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/07/10/ukraine-obama-nazis-and-atrocities-verifiable-proof/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/10/1312991/-Ukraine-nazis-Obama-and-hypocrisy#

The US backed Ukrainian nazis killing in HD.
http://www.discussionist.com/101437739

Malaysia Airlines MH-17

Shocking revelations about MH-17 shoot down 
http://www.discussionist.com/101441877

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/08/02/osce-monitor-tells-cbc-canada-that-mh-17-cockpit-has-holes-made-by-heavy-machine-gun-fire/
Duplicate thread- http://www.discussionist.com/101439512

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/08/11/extensive-evidence-coming-to-light-that-contradicts-the-official-us-narrative-in-the-downing-of-malaysia-airlines-mh-17/

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/08/15/overlooked-the-mysterious-imprisoned-us-spy-who-gave-the-daily-mail-witness-testimony-about-mh-17/
Duplicate thread- http://www.discussionist.com/101445081

The US media wall of coverup and deception of the Ukraine crisis is breaking down.
 http://www.discussionist.com/101430211

Ukrainian TV channel financed by US openly calls for genocide of the people of east Ukraine. 
http://www.discussionist.com/101439830

Telegraph UK- Ukraine crisis: the neo-nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists -Graphic Warning
http://www.discussionist.com/101445398

The Ukrainian army marches in Kiev
 http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017210421

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/08/16/graphic-warning-video-proof-that-the-us-media-is-lying-the-naf-are-winning-in-ukraine/
Duplicate thread- http://www.discussionist.com/101444841

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/08/23/off-course-trajectory-of-debris-field-proves-that-mh-17-deviated-14-miles-to-the-left/
Duplicate thread- http://www.discussionist.com/101449213

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/08/28/verifiable-proof-that-the-us-and-uk-media-have-lied-about-ukraine-on-numerous-occasions/
Duplicate thread- http://www.discussionist.com/101451370


http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/09/06/cnn-finally-recognizes-the-kiev-coup-army-is-killing-innocent-civilians-in-east-ukraine/

Guardian UK war correspondent John Pilger tells the truth about Ukraine and Western propaganda http://www.discussionist.com/101459708

http://my.firedoglake.com/operationmindcrime/2014/09/16/usuk-media-coverup-of-nazis-in-ukraine-continues-unraveling-and-mh-17-falls-apart/
Duplicate thread- http://www.discussionist.com/101458043

MH-17 still exactly where it fell - two months after crash - with no investigation of wreckage http://www.discussionist.com/101458821

http://my.firedoglake.com/blog/2014/09/29/ukraine-the-rise-of-a-us-supported-fascist-state/
Duplicate thread- http://www.discussionist.com/101461889

The incredulous lies of the US media on Ukraine
http://www.discussionist.com/101463288

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Response to go west young man (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:50 PM

10. 20 links to blogs about the danger of chupacabra...

 

would be just as credible

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Response to uhnope (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 02:16 PM

12. Gotta love your style.

 

Non stop single line posts. Never any linked evidence to anything and constant denigration rather than reasoned debate. You are the 'Smithers' to the Magistrates 'Mr. Burns'.

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Response to Name removed (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 01:38 PM

8. Your very welcome.

 

I am glad to see people from the region, like yourself, posting here. The victims of the Odessa massacre and their families deserve a proper investigation into the events that took place in May and the monsters in Kiev who orchestrated it need to be punished for those murders.

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Response to go west young man (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 16, 2014, 12:41 AM

20. For The Record

The two 'name removed' posts, Nos. 7 and 11, were short songs of praise for the O.P., written in a style that was a very clumsy attempt to simulate errors by a person who was not a native English speaker. The moniker employed was very similar to another flash-in-the-pan account which posted notes in similar style praising the O.P. elsewhere. The only posts either of them made were praise for the O.P., and I personally find it extremely touching that he took the trouble to reply and give thanks....

"When you use your left hand, it feels like a stranger."

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 07:22 PM

14. Kerry's Meetings with Russian Counterpart Lavrov from Russia is hopeful...

News reports show they are working together to try to diffuse the International Situation and Kerry is seeking Russia's help in working with Iran and Russia to try to work to resolve ISIS.

These are HOPEFUL Negotiations by Obama guiding Kerry.

It's a good thing if it lasts and the NeoCons don't get involved with their "Money Bags" along with Saudi's.

USA is in Deep Shit if we can't work this out...and Obama does NOT want to leave "ENDLESS WAR" as his LEGACY for his Presidency...and neither does Biden or Kerry want to Destroy the Dem Party over what has been done before them.

They HAVE to work with Putin...and they Have to make Sense out of all of this MESS CREATED to find a better way or the Dem Party will be No Different than the Repub Party and they don't want the American System to COLLAPSE on THEIR WATCH.

There are "Green Shoots" appearing in our Foreign Policy.... Let's feed them and NOT defeat them. Russia and Iran could be partners....everything ELSE HAS FAILED.

But, building a New Coalition after the Bush Disaster ..is a good effort and I hope that Obama, Kerry and the Rest can Hold Strong against the odds they face from the NeoCon Supporters of Netanyahu's Bellicose and WAR MONGERING Toadies and Profiteers who thrive off the USA War Machine where they Profit off the backs of their War Mongering...while "The People" everywhere suffering and damaged, killed, dislocated, destroyed financially, children maimed and relatives killed and whole societies disrupted by this misbegotten/criminal enterprise policy by Government Gone Rogue using our Tax Payer Dollars for "ENDLESS WAR."

It's time to END THIS!....and if Obama can do it (however he can manage to do it) then
we need to watch carefully HOW he manages this..going into the upcoming elections.

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 07:33 PM

15. Thanks for posting this, GW. Stephen Cohen knows what he's talking about, and

he lays out the whole timeline in simple language that anyone can understand.

Thank goodness for people like Cohen and Mearsheimer and, it should be noted, the Saker, http://thesaker.net , who endeavors to provide objective daily reports (sitreps) of what's going on in Kiev and in novorussia. As Mr. Cohen states near the end of the clip, all people can do is to keep speaking out.



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Response to truth2power (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 11:04 PM

17. And 'Vineyard of the Saker' Rears Up Yet Again, Sir

What it is about anti-semites and hate sites that lures the stalwarts of 'team Putin' like moths to a flame?

Here is a sample from the fellow you recommend as providing 'objective daily reports':

"I am fully aware of the role which Jews played in the horrors of the 20th century, I am aware that they declared war on Russia first, and on Germany after that (both times the order came from organized American Jewry and Jewish banks), I loathe both Rabbinical Judaism and Zionism because both are based on self-worship and racism. I don't need lectures on all the bad things Jews have done or are still doing. Believe me, I have read more anti-Jewish books than most people here (if only because I read them all not only English, but also in Russian which has at least 10 times as many anti-Jewish books as there are in English).

I will go as far as saying that Rabbinical Judaism is, in my sincerely held conclusion, Satanic at its core and at least as evil as Wahabi Islam."

http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/05/ukrainian-news-two-phone-call-leaks.html

( scroll down to the blue text )

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:11 PM

18. "The Saker" is getting increasing recognition on the internet

as one of the most objective sources of day to day reporting on the Ukrainian situation as it has unfolded since the beginning of the unrest early this year.

Given that his narrative, as well as that of a plethora of respected experts and academics, varies 180 degrees from what's presented as truth by the Western media, I can understand that the interests of the PTB would best be served if his work was marginalized to the greatest extent possible.

Perhaps inadvertently, you've helped their case by cherry-picking a small part of what he said in that particular post, and out of context at that. And not to be picky, but, it would have been helpful to put the word "snip" between the two paragraphs, as one does not directly follow the other.

The piece, including your text, is over 1700 words. I would encourage DUers who are committed to thinking for themselves to read it in its entirety in order to evaluate its message. One might find it quite different than what you've portrayed.

As to the matter of anti-Semitism, why isn't there a great hue and cry over the neo-Nazis that infest the US supported coup government in Kiev? You know, the ones who have as their hero, Stepan Bandera, the notorious Nazi collaborator during WWII.

I can only speculate that where US National interests are concerned, a little anti-Semitism can be overlooked.





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Response to truth2power (Reply #18)

Wed Oct 15, 2014, 07:55 PM

19. He Is Being Recognized, Sir, And Widely, As A Reaving Anti-Semite And Conspiracist Crank

I read the whole piece, and it is a laugh and a half. Its gist is this: 'Don't get me mixed up with any of these extremist Nazi types, I'm just a feet on the ground, salt of the earth kind of guy who knows all the evil Jews get up to in this world.' That he thinks this separates him from Nazis, from anti-semites, is pitiful, or would be if the ideas were not so foul.

You may not be familiar with the ideas packed into that package ( indeed, your comments suggest as much, as does your free-wheeling use of Nazi as a general term of abuse ), but there is quite a good deal there. The idea Jews attacked Russia and then Germany, is in its first part no more or less than the sturdy anti-semitic trope that the Russian revolution was a Jewish plot, and that Bolsheviks were Jews or agents of Jews, and in its second that the travails of Germany after the Great War were the machinations of Jews: in short, pretty much the central theme of every speech Hitler ever gave. The claim direction for this came from American Jews and Jewish banks is, in its first part, again a leading Nazi theme, that Aaron Cohen in the board-room directed Moses Cohen to rouse the rabble of workers against Nation and Church for their mutual profit, and, in its second part, the reason Hitler gave for his inability to reach an understanding with England and the United States against the Bolsheviks ( Jews ). I will leave aside the blank and brooding hate of the theological clap-trap, for the present at least. A man who holds this view of twentieth century history cannot be considered a useful guide to current events, cannot be considered a reliable observer, and to proclaim him a standard of 'objective presentation' is simply absurd, like a man stepping out into the street with his shoes on his head and his hat on his feet.

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Response to The Magistrate (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 18, 2014, 04:47 PM

21. I think this best sums up our disagreement...



“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”

---Voltaire


Oh, and I'm not talking about the Jews. It's a political thing.

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Response to truth2power (Reply #21)

Sat Oct 18, 2014, 05:26 PM

22. I Am Going To Leave That Lie, Sir, Since You Stepped On That Rake All On Your Own....

When I criticize the man for being a raving anti-semite and conspiracist loon, whose own words on the matter are worth repeating again:

"I am fully aware of the role which Jews played in the horrors of the 20th century, I am aware that they declared war on Russia first, and on Germany after that (both times the order came from organized American Jewry and Jewish banks), I loathe both Rabbinical Judaism and Zionism because both are based on self-worship and racism. I don't need lectures on all the bad things Jews have done or are still doing. Believe me, I have read more anti-Jewish books than most people here (if only because I read them all not only English, but also in Russian which has at least 10 times as many anti-Jewish books as there are in English).

I will go as far as saying that Rabbinical Judaism is, in my sincerely held conclusion, Satanic at its core and at least as evil as Wahabi Islam."

You trot out in reply Voltaire saying “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”


That you should respond with the old 'learn who you cannot criticize to learn who rules you' trope speaks for itself, disclaimers to the contrary. We both know that, if someone had made comments displaying equal bigotry against African-Americans, and was called out as a racist bigot for doing so, and it was pointed out racist bigots cannot be taken as reliable guides to events or competent objective assessors of fact, you would not have trotted out the 'learn who you cannot criticize to learn who rules you' wheeze, because you know perfectly well only the most abject of racist bigots pretend to believe black people rule the United States to the detriment of whites, and know perfectly well criticism rising from racist bigotry against African-Americans is 'not allowed' because racism and bigotry is not acceptable, at least not outside circles where racist bigots gather to feel among fellows, and further, you know perfectly well racist bigotry does indicate a serious defect in judgement and mental capacity, and an utter lack of moral worth as a human being.

Yet somehow 'learn who you can't criticize to learn who rules you' comes to your mind when someone is called out for being a raving anti-semite, and it is pointed out that being a raving anti-semite indicates a person lacks sound judgement and understanding, as well as moral worth....

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Response to go west young man (Original post)

Tue Oct 14, 2014, 08:38 PM

16. K&R...Great View!

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