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Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:39 PM

Video of Michael Brown paying for the cigars.

Last edited Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:54 AM - Edit history (1)



No idea as to the authenticity or how it was obtained.

More here: http://crooksandliars.com/2014/08/ferguson-cops-busted-new-video-seems-show

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Reply Video of Michael Brown paying for the cigars. (Original post)
Richard D Aug 2014 OP
elehhhhna Aug 2014 #1
DhhD Aug 2014 #2
freshwest Aug 2014 #8
ReRe Aug 2014 #20
DhhD Aug 2014 #10
Baitball Blogger Aug 2014 #11
TheNutcracker Aug 2014 #3
LoisB Aug 2014 #4
DhhD Aug 2014 #12
freshwest Aug 2014 #5
ellennelle Aug 2014 #6
ellennelle Aug 2014 #7
freshwest Aug 2014 #9
Richard D Aug 2014 #17
freshwest Aug 2014 #19
cleduc Aug 2014 #13
markpkessinger Aug 2014 #22
cleduc Aug 2014 #23
libdem4life Aug 2014 #14
truth2power Aug 2014 #15
Moostache Aug 2014 #16
Richard D Aug 2014 #18
FredButters Aug 2014 #21

Response to Richard D (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:50 PM

1. oh. my. god.

 

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Response to Richard D (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:55 PM

2. There was another OP today that was from the store owner who said there was no call

to police.

Apparently that is because Brown paid for his purchase.

Americans need to hear from the FBI on why this video was split into piece and who released each partial piece after the FBI told the police not to release the video.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:21 PM

8. That's right, this must go viral with the truth.

I don't think the FBI split, edited or released either, but likely saw what was wrong with the one that the PD released. This one is more credible than the other one way.

But the police chief keeps a Confederate flag at home and the KKK is planning to hold a rally this week near Ferguson. Looks like this was the first of the disinformation campaign to justify going full crazy on blacks.

The source is the chief, who should be charged with obstruction of justice and incitement to riot. I rthink the way this has been handled is theatre from the right, to start a race war.

It's straight along the line of the American Nazi Party and the Birchers. They've always wanted a civil war to overthrow the evil government giving their money to people they hate and to restore the Confederacy.

I had to live around these wackjobs so I know what they've said for over half a century. Just sayin'

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Response to freshwest (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 04:00 AM

20. That part at the end...

... of the tape (at the door) could have even been acting on Michael's part too. It will be easy to verify what really happened between the two (the store owner and Michael.) Depose everyone who was in the store when it happened.

I used to work with a fellow who was big and tall and we kidded each other and made a joke out of our difference in sizes all the time.

Also, we don't know if there were other cameras in the store, other tapes.

Besides, even if Michael did do it, the judge probably won't let it in, just as he may not let certain incriminating info from Wilson's past in.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:37 PM

10. Video was not split by the FBI but a partial piece was released by the Ferguson Police. Why?

American need to hear an answer from the FBI about this. This is a very big red flag. This video is NOT the piece that the FPD relesed.

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Response to DhhD (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:46 PM

11. It looks like the Ferguson police clipped the video to stage what they wanted people to see.

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Response to Richard D (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:58 PM

3. They've been grasping at straws all day...grabbed gun, punched cop, etc.

 

And Erin Burnett is trying so hard tonight to FIND A STORY that fits the cop tonight.

She makes me sick and I want her off the air for this...doing this in our country at this time!

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Response to Richard D (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:59 PM

4. For someone supposedly stealing, he sure took his time leaving the store. Clerk

appeared to have something in his hand, could it have been money and there was a question as to whether Brown paid enough? I don't see any other reason for the clerk to come from behind the counter. Hard to tell exactly what happened.

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Response to LoisB (Reply #4)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:53 PM

12. Looks like small cigars fell to the floor and several were helping to pick them up. The clerk could

have knocked something loose off the counter when he was giving Brown his change. Looks like people were walking around the mess. Sometimes coins falls through open fingers while paying for something too.

I want the FBI to tell us why this video was separated from the other piece(s). Maybe there are more parts of the video left out too. Maybe the clerk was helping Brown get out the door with the mess. Was this purchase found at the scene of the killing? A receipt may exist. Look at all the witnesses in the store. Apparently no one was running out. And according to the store owner, no one called the police.

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Response to Richard D (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:09 PM

5. I see money from both him and the witness. Why didn't the other one show this detail? Looks real.

Now that needs to be shown on all the networks that called him a thief!

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Response to Richard D (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:16 PM

6. check the angle

the 2 videos are from 2 different cameras at 2 different angles.

what was released to the press only showed what happened after he paid for the cigars.

note that, just after he left and prior to leaving, he and johnson appear to exchange something, and brown drops something and stoops to the floor. at that point, the clerk comes from behind the counter, perhaps suspicious, and follows them toward the door.

the previously released video shows brown at the door grabbing the clerk, perhaps angry that he was being accused, even though it does look as if he and johnson were either trying to pull a small time shoplift, or there was some confusion about what was paid for and what was not. hard to tell.

in any case, this really cannot qualify as a robbery.

it doesn't even qualify as relevant to his getting shot.

and it sure as hell does not qualify as a capital offense.

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Response to ellennelle (Reply #6)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:20 PM

7. meant to add

the larger questions, tho, are:

1. why this part of the video was not released with the strong arm part.
2. why the earlier video was released to satisfy media foia requests, but similar requests for the police report were not similarly satisfied.

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Response to Richard D (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:24 PM

9. Richard D, where did you find this? Is it on MSM? They need to clear the air. No theft, I see money.

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Response to Richard D (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 02:03 AM

19. Thanks! I wonder if this is going to make it to TRMS, CNN, etc.

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Response to Richard D (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:55 PM

13. At risk of being called nasty names ..

 

From the police reports
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/images/08/15/ferguson-police-report.pdf
There appears to be a 911 call in the police logs. Might have come from one of the patrons in the store - not one of the employees.

On page 6 of the above police report, employees of the store assist the officer, telling him where the people who allegedly took cigars from the store went. They also provide a description of the suspect - similar to Brown. The officer puts that out on the radio - according to the report and the logs.

I see no allowance for reasoning that Brown could have paid for something without paying for everything he took.

Now one might contend that all the police reports and logs have been cooked. What the video seems to show is employees in the store having some sort of problem with a person who looks very much like Brown. It's not the sort of behavior one expects to see when a customer pays his full bill and leaves the store only with the goods they paid for. Now unless the cops paid actors or other cops to pretend they work at the store and cooked up that video ...

Something doesn't jive when one suggests this is all made up and Brown paid for everything he carried out of the store. How do you otherwise explain the altercation on the video?

I have no desire for Wilson to get away with murdering a kid. But if he's truly guilty, let's convict him with real solid, airtight facts and not get sucked into what seems to me is silliness.

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Response to cleduc (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:02 PM

22. If there was a 911 call . . .

. . . then there is a recording of it. I'll believe it when I hear it.

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Response to markpkessinger (Reply #22)

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 05:09 PM

23. Don't lose any sleep waiting for it

 

It's inaccessible under MO Law
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/C600-699/6100000150.HTM
"911" telephone reports inaccessible, exceptions.
610.150. Except as provided by this section, any information acquired by a law enforcement agency or a first responder agency by way of a complaint or report of a crime made by telephone contact using the emergency number, "911", shall be inaccessible to the general public. However, information consisting of the date, time, specific location and immediate facts and circumstances surrounding the initial report of the crime or incident shall be considered to be an incident report and subject to section 610.100. Any closed records pursuant to this section shall be available upon request by law enforcement agencies or the division of workers' compensation or pursuant to a valid court order authorizing disclosure upon motion and good cause shown.

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Response to Richard D (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:55 PM

14. Fascinating...looks like he is opening an ice cream freezer and they look like ice cream cones

 

the V-shaped type with chocolate stripes. One can hope Show the Feds.

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Response to Richard D (Original post)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:23 PM

15. This is nothing against you, Richard D, and I apologize in advance, but...





An unarmed black teen was murdered by a police officer.


That is the ONLY issue.

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Response to truth2power (Reply #15)

Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:01 PM

16. THAT IS THE TRUTH...^^^

A police officer murdered an 18-year old unarmed kid.
He fired between 8 and 12 shots within a matter of seconds and hit Mike Brown 6 times, including twice in the head and once in the crown of the skull (which can ONLY happen if the body were bowed or already falling to the ground).

Mike Brown was executed in broad daylight. Everything else - EVERYTHING - is irrelevant until charges are brought and a trial is held. No justice, No peace is very real right now and will remain so for a very long time.

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Response to truth2power (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 01:44 AM

18. True, and

Someone's head needs to roll for the lies.

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Response to Richard D (Original post)

Tue Aug 19, 2014, 03:57 PM

21. Except Dorian Johnson said they did steal cigars

Not that it has anything to do with shooting an unarmed person who was approached by police for jay walking, but for the sake of this argument:

the friend who was with Michael Brown when he was shot and killed by a police officer near St. Louis over the weekend is reportedly confirming that he and Brown had taken part in the theft of cigars from a convenience store that day.


http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/15/attorney-dorian-johnson-michael-brown-robbery/14118769/

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