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Cenk Uygur's TYT Article V Convention, Wolf PAC

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Reply Cenk Uygur's TYT Article V Convention, Wolf PAC (Original post)
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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 06:59 PM

1. K&R!!! Please add to the fight, Publicly Funded Elections! If we don't slam the door and lock it,

they will find a way in again!

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Response to Dustlawyer (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:04 PM

3. Absolutely, nothing matters more...because EVERYTHING is dependent on who is

represented. Our present system has brought us to this corrupt state of gov't.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:03 PM

2. Only a naive fool, or Xtian Fundy, would want that.

With the vast majority of state legislatures in GOP hands, what delusional madman would support such a thing? Especially a Democrat!! Arrrrgh! The stupid! Even in our party!

The lunatic fringe on the right has been busy, busy, busy on this agenda for years.

Convention to amend the Constitution. (RWW)

The link provides the most recent of these efforts of which I have heard for decades, mostly from a religious right perspective, often overtly theocratic.

Some excerpts from the link:
For the last several months, spurred on by the publication of Mark Levin's "The Liberty Amendments," right-wing activists have been floating the idea of convening a "Convention of States" through which representatives of the individuals states would gather together for a convention to amend the Constitution and reign in the federal government.

Under Article V of the Constitution, "legislatures of two thirds of the several states" have the power to "call a convention for proposing amendments" and the idea to convene such a convention has been warmly embraced by people like David Barton who has promoted it not only on his radio program but also while filling in as host on Glenn Beck's television program.


Nope!!! We do not want an Article V convention. It would likely go very, very wrong.

Next step: Christian Country... In the freaking US Constitution.

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:06 PM

4. Strongly disagree with you, longship. Apparently most of America, including Cenk, including just

about everyone knows how corrupt things are. VT & CA have voted for this & with the recent SCOTUS rulings, how can anyone believe anything of substance will be done keeping the status quo? TYT are not right wing.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:21 PM

5. I stand by my post.

This has been a religious right plank going back to the 80's. And with the vast majority of the state legislatures in GOP hands, why in the Sam Hell would anybody trust them on this? They oppose everything Dems want to do. It is fucking naive that they would compromise on this.

It's utter delusional to ignore the religious right's history on this. Mark my words, they do not have a secular purpose in mind.

Did you even read the article at the link? Not sure if there was even time to do so since I posted. Plus, there are citations in the article. You couldn't have clicked through those.

But I guess you know, eh?

Trust me, this is a worry. These guys are being played. Of COOURRRRSE the GOP wants an Article V Convention. I am shocked Cenk doesn't know that, let alone know why.

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Response to longship (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:39 PM

6. It's not about me now is it? I strongly disagree with you, but understand your misgivings.

I KNOW Cenk's WOLFPAC is NOT fundy or GOP (and neither are the DU'ers who believe Cenk is right & believe everything is corrupt), but I understand your feelings because honestly anyone who is a dem would have the same initial response, until we forget about Rand Paul & religious fundies and think about our own realizations of how screwed up the recent SCOTUS decisions have been. Do you really think the campaign finance issue is not to blame?


http://www.tytnetwork.com/?s=Article+V+Convention

How We Can Fight Back Against the Supreme Court

At The Young Turks, we already knew how bad the situation was because every political story we covered had the same exact answer — find which side has more money and you’ll know who is going to win. So, I founded Wolf PAC, which has only one, unstoppable mission – amend the constitution to get the corrupting influence of money out of politics. We’re not interested in awareness — we’re already quite aware of how screwed we are. We’re not interested in consciousness raising or being a respected institution inside Washington, DC. We’re interested in results!

I didn’t pick the name Wolf PAC by accident. I picked it so we could be super aggressive. I don’t want to negotiate with the power brokers in Washington; I want to tear them down. The lobbyists, the special interests, the donors and the politicians who cater to them are what’s wrong with our country. They robbed us of our representative government. It’s time we stood up and took it back. Let’s over turn their apple cart.

Our founding fathers were geniuses. They put a certain provision in the constitution because they knew that a day like this would come. We have never had to use it yet. But we have threatened it many times and that threat has been incredibly effective just as many times. The clause is Article V of the constitution and it says that you don’t necessarily need 2/3 of Congress to propose an amendment. You can have 2/3 of the states circumvent a corrupted Washington and propose a convention to get the same amendment. You don’t need Washington at all. 34 states propose a convention for this specific issue. 38 states ratify that amendment. And we have our democracy back.

Now, this is the point in the movie when you say — but that’s impossible. The suffragist movement got women the right to vote when they couldn’t vote in the first place. Now, that was impossible. And they still got it done.

In fact, four out of the last ten amendments were proposed by Congress because of the threat of an imminent convention. We can make these guys bend to our will. They’re not supposed to be the boss of us. We are supposed to live in a democracy where we control our own fate. We are supposed to be the home of liberty. And we can be that again.

Let me tell you what we’ve done so far without anyone noticing. We have introduced a resolution calling for this convention in ten states and have over 100 state legislators sponsoring and supporting these resolutions all across the country. We have an army of 13,000 volunteers. We are legion and we are coming.

Tell me again what isn’t possible.

We were told in Vermont that we had a zero percent chance of getting this resolution passed in the state Senate. That was a week before we got it passed 28-2. How did we turn the impossible into the inevitable? How did we get true bipartisanship on this issue? Well, we have over 90 percent of the American people on our side. Republicans, Democrats, libertarians and independents all agree on only one thing — our national politicians are bought. When the bills are introduced we get a natural avalanche of support. At the state level, an army of citizens turn out to be hard to resist.

In one of the states where we had success, our volunteers got a politician to do something he didn’t want to do. The pressure of angry, concerned citizens clearly switched his position. One of those volunteers wrote me an email afterward and said, “It feels so good to get the power back.”

We have gone for so long without being able to affect the course of our government, we have gone so long feeling powerless that we have forgotten what our birthright is. We are born free men and women in this country. If we rise up together, we can be that again.
me for ALEC and Citizens United?

We must get money out of politics. We must amend.


see above link for the full article

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Response to mother earth (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:50 PM

7. I understand their position

But once one opens up the Constitution to the state legislatures, how does one put the brakes on? And if those state legislatures are majority religious right wackaloons, what then?

Once the deal is in motion, how does one stop it?

As I said, the lunatic fringe has been wanting this for decades, so they can change the US Constitution in their way. And let me tell you, that isn't a country most of us would want to live in.

It's one of those Oopsy! Who woulda thunk that? deals. Well there are those who think it. Some of us have to cover others butts on these things. It does not matter what one gains if, on the hind side, one loses everything.

Why would the GOP agree to it?

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Response to longship (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 07:57 PM

8. longship, I know people like you and I would fight like hell to make damned sure the only amendment

would be to safeguard this democracy and get money out of politics (Citizen United, ALEC), that is no more democracy, than you are fundy. Corruption has screwed us all out of representation, and SCOTUS needs a damned wake up call because they sure the sam hill aren't representing a democracy either.

Do you recall the Gore election? Come on! We can go on and on can't we? How happy are you about protecting Holly Hobby?

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Response to mother earth (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:06 PM

9. But an Article V convention opens the floodgates.

And if you don't understand that fact, we'll just have to respectively (always!) disagree. And the floodgates in this case are controlled by the state legislatures, which (in case anybody hasn't noticed) are predominately in GOP hands.

I would never bet against the house with those odds. The question is, why would anybody?

And, as I said, the lunatics have been wanting this for decades. It's that Christian Country thingie again.

So by all means. Let's go. We've got them right where they want us.

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Response to longship (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:13 PM

10. I respect and understand your opinion, but it is the ONLY hope of tackling campaign finance &

getting money out of politics. Congress is not doing their job.

How long are you willing to wait for reform? Forever?

If you listen to the other video I posted, Cenk's speech, perhaps you will acknowledge how badly things have gotten & what has brought any sensible democrat to this point, because at least at the state and county level we truly still have a voice. Are you willing to wait for that to disappear? I'm not.

Who's betting against the house? I think WOLFPAC is trying to save the house from total destruction.

Do you doubt the corporate coup d'état is winning? Some might say it's already won. They've already got us where they want us.

Isn't time to react?

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Response to mother earth (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:20 PM

11. Not with an Article V Convention.

Take over the House and hold the Senate.

That's how this gets done.

I would never agree to an Article V convention with the state legislatures in their current condition. Plus, with the Religious Right explicitly wanting that very thing. NEVER! EVER !

My regards.

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Response to longship (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:26 PM

12. HOW do you think everything has gotten to this current condition?

It's campaign finance, and until we reform that, there is NO democracy.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:36 PM

13. Normal amendment process through Congress.

Not possible right now due to gridlock. We need majority in the House and super majority in the Senate to even have a realistic chance. But that would still have to go to the states for ratification, but there'd be some time for that, even years.

But much less risky than a convention which would allow the GOP majority in the states to go hog wild. That's why we've never had one, not since the first one. Not even the Bill of Rights was done with a convention; it was all in Congress, and ratified by the states.

Here:
http://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution/article-v.html

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Response to longship (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:55 PM

15. Nothing is more risky than allowing

the gridlock and the corruption of our broken gov't to continue without calling an end to it.

If you believe in the process of democracy or the founding fathers understanding the need for that safeguard, than trust in that process.

Campaign finance reform has been the issue of our lifetime, and it will continue to wreak havoc, until we actually do something about it.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:08 PM

16. Then the convention process would be that much risky.

Once you open a constitutional convention, any and all amendments could be adopted. In a feeding frenzy by the overwhelmingly GOP state legislatures which would appoint the delegations, they could rip the Constitution to shreds. And the federal congress would have no more say in it, nor SCOTUS (since we'd have a new Constitution for them to enforce).

An Article V Convention is a horrible idea, which is why we've never done it.

You want to amend the Constitution? Do it the way it's been done 27 times (in over 11,500 attempts -- it isn't supposed to be easy). Bring it up in Congress.

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Response to longship (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:20 PM

18. No thanks, if and when it comes to my state, I know how I'll vote & it will be with CA & VT.

Corruption grows until you fix what's broken, democracy isn't about buying influence & politicians or courts ruling in favor of the same oligarchy or plutocracy.

If we went by your feelings, there'd be no USA, we'd still be part of Great Britain.

Peace, longship, you and I will not agree on this, but either way, we will see what happens whether it goes thru or not.
If it doesn't, your way will be all that's left...


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Response to mother earth (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:34 PM

20. You don't understand. You don't get a vote.

It is the state legislatures who make up the convention delegates. Once the Congresses starts the damn Constitutional Convention steam roller going, it cannot be stopped or reined in. The delegations at the conventions make all the decisions and approve all the changes.

Poof! And it's done. You already voted when you selected your state legislator and/or senator. Once Congress approves that thing and it starts rolling, there's no telling what changes will get made. And once they're made, US Congress has no say. It's just fucking done.

That's why it's never been done that way before (except the first time). It's fucking dangerous. And that's precisely why the Religious Right are creaming their pants to do it.

Want to change the US Constitution? Fine. Put a bill in Congress. Get it passed in both houses by super majorities and send it to the states for ratification. 27 times that has succeeded, out of over 11,500 attempts.

It's slow, but safe. It keeps the pin in the damned grenade that blows the whole thing up.

Sorry: multiple edits.

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Response to longship (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:00 PM

23. The process is clarified below, interestingly Harry Reid agrees & so do other dems,

this is simply not a religious right issue or a GOP issue, though it is the one thing everyone will agree on.

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Response to mother earth (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:12 PM

24. In a Constitutional Convention you don't get to choose.

The delegates choose. And they are chosen by the various state legislatures, who start the whole process. This is how our first US Constitution was drafted.

Once the changes are adopted, it's done. Any and all changes become part of the new Constitution.

And with the vast majority of state legislatures in GOP hands, we'd be utterly fucked.

No wonder they'll work with Wolf PAC on this. It's something they've been aching for.

You see, in a Con Con, you cannot limit the agenda. The whole thing is open to change. Does any sane person want that?

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Response to longship (Reply #24)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:50 AM

34. If you listen to Lessig below he explains the difference btwn con. conv. & Article V, being an

emergency meeting...no runaways....

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Response to longship (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:16 AM

36. The slim GOP advantage that state legislatures hold is nowhere near

the three-fourths needed for ratification. This step btw, is the last one in the process, therefore Dem state legislatures would just reject it, if indeed anything objectionable managed to get that far.

Once written and approved by the convention, the amendment would be passed to the states, where three-fourths of the states must ratify the amendment before it becomes law.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolf_PAC

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Response to longship (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 08:49 PM

14. And I would point out to you that they failed.

And the reason is it had an open ended goal not a specific one.

The point that is being made is that it is the ONLY thing we can agree on with the right and why not seize that opportunity to get what would be good for us all but the country.
The prize is to get the money out of politics...keep your eyes on the prize.

Edited to note.
A constitutional convention would need 2/3 to pass anything...so how wold something radical fare in the convention? (should it ever be brought up)...but something we could all agree on would fair well I think.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:15 PM

17. But the convention would be state delegations, not congress.

Do I have to inform you of how bad Dems are in the state legislatures?

And again, once the convention is convened, nothing is off the table. And with these lunatic state legislatures, bye-bye Constitution as we know it. And Congress has no oversight at that point.

Oopsie!!! Too late.

That's why the religious right has been clamoring for a ConConv for decades and why no sane Democrat should support it.

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Response to longship (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:13 PM

26. So you mean to tell me that 2/3 of them are right wing republicans?

Well not in my state...and I bet not in 2/3 of the US ether.
And your state Representatives are more likely to listen to you than the federal ones who are in the DC bubble...
And I cannot imagine a CC that is wide open to any kind of change someone can think up...and if it is it don't make any difference anyway because we are lost.

We can continue to do what we have been doing and we will get the same results, and just look how far that has gotten us...we are more under control by the oligarchical powers now than ever before, and it will not change for the better.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:32 PM

27. Well, Michigan is damned Red.

We have a lunatic house and senate here who censored a state senator for saying the word "vagina" on the floor. That brought a live performance of The Vagina Monologues to the steps of our state capital in protest within that same week. High art, but a very sad state of affairs.

Yup! We are ostensibly a blue state, but there's no use in me calling my state Rep, state senator, or US Rep for anything other than entertainment. The religious right has a stranglehold on the MI GOP, especially in west MI which is heavily Calvinist in the cities, and Pentecostal in rural areas. No hope here.

The numbers in the state legislatures are not good for us at all. That's across the USA. Check them out some day.

But, yup. Dems here will probably retain our a Senate seat this year (Levin's seat). But we also have that asshole Snyder. Not sure if we can defeat him. We'll try.

Everything else here is pretty much loony toons. Well, we still have Detroit, what's left of it.

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Response to longship (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 10:45 AM

39. Oh my is it ever. Very strange.

Nationally, we're blue but locally we're red it seems. Leave us not forget we've got our very own Koch family with the DeVos types. And Monaghan and Illitch (the murderers of Tiger Stadium).

I didn't know you were a Michigander, longship. I've been enjoying your conversation with mother earth, most compelling arguments on both sides.

And yes you have Detroit, and there's a whole lot of goodness left in it, don't worry; and also Ann Arbor, Lansing, lots of the voters in Oakland County vote blue.

But right now the Great Lakes State wouldn't make a good contribution to a Constitutional Convention, I suspect. Very troubling, because Cenk has some good points and I most certainly want the money taken out of government.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:28 PM

19. I support a Constitutional amendment saying that corporations are not people and they do not have

the right to spend money to buy our politicians.

The above is the statement of the WOLFPAC petition:

http://www.wolf-pac.com/petition

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:37 PM

21. more: Vermont Becomes The First State To Pass Wolf PAC Resolution



Published on May 2, 2014


"Today Vermont became the first state to call for a convention to amend the U.S. Constitution to reverse the U.S. Supreme Court's Citizens United decision, which precipitated a flood of cash into politics."

Read more here: http://vtdigger.org/2014/05/02/vermon...

Cenk Uygur (http://www.twitter.com/cenkuygur) host of The Young Turks delivers this amazing news.

SUPPORT the 28th Amendment to #GetMoneyOut http://www.wolf-pac.com/petition?=tyt....

CLICK here to support Wolf PAC: http://www.wolf-pac.com/wolf_pac_memb...

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 09:42 PM

22. This is how it works.



Published on Jun 3, 2014


"The Senate began debate Tuesday on a Democrat-proposed constitutional amendment that would allow the government to regulate campaign money again, a response to recent Supreme Court rulings that removed limits on certain election contributions.

Democrats argue that the Supreme Court's decisions in two cases allowed billionaires -most notably conservatives Charles and David Koch - to influence politics at rates disproportionate to the rest of the populace...

Divided along partisan lines, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., spearheaded their parties' opposing views as the Senate Judiciary Committee debated the proposed amendment.

"The flood of dark money into our nation's political system poses the greatest threat to our democracy that I have witnessed during my tenure in public service," Reid said. "The decisions by the Supreme Court have left the American people with a status quo in which one side's billionaires are pitted against the other side's billionaires."* The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur breaks it down.

[Harry Reid agrees, Sen Raskin (D) of Md agrees, it's not just GOP'ers or fundies, not by a long shot.]

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 10:59 PM

25. To avoid confusion, here's Article V.

The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate.

(Highlights mine.)

Note the Panora's box that a constitutional convention opens.

1. The state legislatures can call a convention with 2/3 of the states approving. Okay. No biggie there except that most state legislatures are GOP and are more right wing than the US Congress. Some are certifiably ready for straight jackets, though.

2. They can propose amendments in this convention. The article does not put a limit on this and one would presume that it's a convention because one wants more than one change. It's open to any or all proposals, one might appropriately presume. Big warning flag here. No doubt, given the make up of state legislatures there will be a GOP chairperson and substantial majority.

3. The proposed amendment becomes adopted when 3/4 of the states approve it. In the convention context, that can putatively happen within the convention ("or by conventions in three fourths thereof". Game over right there. We're done.

My posts up thread are a warning of doing this via convention. It is very possible that a constitutional convention could be used for nefarious purpose, like repealing the 14th Amendment, changing the 1st Amendment to exclude non-Christian and Jewish religions, or any amount of mischief. I use these as examples of worst cases, but also to highlight the danger of the convention structure whose purpose is solely to change the US Constitution, in an open ended style. As Cenk might say, "Have at it, Hoss!" But the down side might be very bad. This might be one of those Oooopsie! situations.

And since the Republicans have a rather large majority of state legislatures in the US, what mad person would suggest an Article V convention?

I don't trust the GOP any further than I could throw them, this especially with anything as open ended, unconstrained, and immediate as an Article V convention.

Might as well as pull the pin on a hand grenade.

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Response to longship (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:38 PM

28. Well if what you fear is real then we are lost.

Because it means at least 3/4 of the states are controlled by right wing radicals...if that is the case then just roll over and give it up.

I don't buy it for a minut...my state would never vote to ratify your right wing fear ammendment...and I can name at least more than 1/4 of them that would not etier...
Your fear is unfounded in facts.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 12:21 AM

29. My worry is not about the fear amendments.

It's about the unbounded mess that could ensue under a GOP lead convention, whose sole purpose is a machine to amend the constitution. They could do a lot of damage with little things with large consequences down stream.

Yup, the GOP has the House, but we currently have the Senate. Hopefully we will keep that.

So why a convention? It gains no advantage over just putting a bill through the House and Senate, and is safe because there's no implied invitation to keep amending. Also, it affords some time to drum up support for ratification by the states.

In the convention, you'd better damned well have the 3/4 for ratification at the get go or your screwed. (Well, actually you could still probably send it to the states once it passes 2/3. IANAL, so I am not sure and Article V is not too specific.)

My overwhelming reason for opposing the convention is that a particular portion of the radical religious right have been trumpeting for a constitutional convention for decades. That alone scares me. Big time. When Democrats bring up the topic I worry.

Have a good night, everybody.

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Response to longship (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 08:53 AM

35. And that fear grantees that nothing will change.

Which is why they create boogie men to keep scared and hiding under the covers.

The truth is 75% of the people or our legislatures are not fundamentalist Christians and not ever likely to be.
But I guess it works that way...if your opponent wants something then you must not want it...it is child psychology used on us.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #35)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 10:49 AM

40. zeemike I don't disagree with anything you're saying

but you might see things differently if you lived in a state like Mich. where the Repubs are completely having their way.

Not meaning to start an argument with you, I think you're one of the good ones.

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Response to navarth (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 11:43 AM

41. No I understand...I once lived in Alabama.

But as much as they would like us to believe it, the right wing is not the majority...they probably make up only about 35% of the people.
But because they are bullies they have a louder voice.

And thanks for the kind words.

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Response to mother earth (Original post)

Fri Jul 4, 2014, 06:51 AM

30. This from Public Citizen:

July 1, 2014

Activists Nationwide to Urge Senators to Back Constitutional Amendment to Curb Money in Politics

Marches, Street Theater, Giant Thank You Cards and More: Over 100 Events Planned This Week

WASHINGTON, D.C. — Activists nationwide are planning more than 100 rallies, marches, street theater, thank you card deliveries, protests and other events to urge their U.S. senators to back a constitutional amendment to curb the flow of money into politics.

The amendment pending in the U.S. Senate (S.J. 19) by U.S. Sen. Tom Udall (D-N.M.) would establish that Congress and the states have the power to regulate and limit election spending. A Senate Judiciary subcommittee has held a hearing and markup, and the full committee will mark up and vote on the amendment in July, likely July 10. Forty-five senators currently support the constitutional amendment.

Groups of grassroots activists will hold a variety of actions, including bringing a giant thank you card to U.S. Sen. Barbara Mikulski’s (D-Md.) office; performing street theater featuring Mr. Moneybags and the Koch brothers trying to buy Uncle Sam at U.S. Sen. Mary Landrieu’s (D-La.) office; and a woman bringing her grandchildren, ages 4-6 years old, to U.S. Sen. Al Franken’s (D-Minn.) office to present a thank you note. In Montpelier, Vt., activists in patriotic attire will march in the July 3 parade, joined by U.S. Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), and then hold a rally at a nearby pavilion.

Events are being held in 38 states and are taking place in cities ranging from Los Angeles, Calif., to Baton Rouge, La., from Cleveland, Ohio, to Memphis, Tenn.

“Patriotic Americans across the country are demanding a constitutional amendment to restore our democracy,” said Public Citizen President Robert Weissman. “In advance of Independence Day, Americans are demanding our elections be independent of big money and corporate domination.”

The amendment is in response to the U.S. Supreme Court rulings in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission (FEC) and McCutcheon v. FEC. In Citizens United, the court gave corporations the green light to spend unlimited sums to influence elections. As a result, spending by outside groups – those not affiliated with campaigns – skyrocketed. In McCutcheon, the court struck down the aggregate campaign spending limits, allowing the super-wealthy to contribute millions of dollars directly to candidates, political parties and joint fundraising committees.

These events are being organized by Money Out-Voters In, a coalition of groups that includes organizations ranging from Public Citizen to the Sierra Club, from the Communications Workers of America to USAction. Learn more about the collaborative and view the map of events.
http://www.citizen.org/pressroom/pressroomredirect.cfm?ID=4238

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Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:25 AM

31. Lawrence Lessig, Rachel Maddow discuss America's broken campaign system & constitutional convention



Published on Jun 11, 2014

Rachel Maddow: A way out of the darkness of Americas broken campaign system: MIRROR
(Stay with it, in the beginning it sounds like a segment on alcoholism...)

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Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:45 AM

32. K&R

Great discussion! CA just did the same thing...

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Fri Jul 4, 2014, 07:47 AM

33. Difference between constitutional convention & article V convention explained (runaway myth)

Concerns about a “runaway” eventuality with regard to a Constitutional Convention are overblown and are entirely addressable. The debate about Article V’s implementation, given (as one law professor discussion panelist on Article V put it) that King George’s legislative body would probably have a higher approval rating than today’s Congress: 11%, is low on the list of concerns. A Constitutional Convention is best seen as a national emergency meeting to deal with some real, very large issues of concern. Any wacked-out ideas will quickly become filtered out and rejected as the process moves forward.

What is so promising about an Article V convention is that new ideas are needed in the United States and the world, those ideas would attend the meeting along with the delegates - and those which have real merit will be obvious to the men and women who vote whether or not to implement them. Muddling along with the hope that “everything will rebalance and we’ll be back to normal” is no longer a viable option for America. Because the 535 men and women in the Congress and Senate have, for the most part, been bought and paid for.

Because a convention to amend the Constitution is so rare, there are legitimate questions about complex issues in its implementation. A set of rules must first be created to successfully conduct a good convention that results in the effects that Article V was written for hundreds of years ago. The major focus must remain on wide consensus ideas that are obvious in their beneficial aspects. This set of rules can be developed and worked out in a “pre-convention rules convention” that takes the best proposals, and engineers the most obviously satisfactory rules framework - to arrive at the most beneficial effects.


http://onenessofhumanity.wordpress.com/2014/02/11/article-v-constitutional-convention-democracy/



at about 1:14 he explains the difference which should do away with any concerns about a runaway convention

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Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:28 AM

37. The Koch Bros. are at work while we do nothing, things can get worst & they will if we don't act.

300 Koch-Led Businessmen Pledge $500 Million to Turn the Senate Over to Republicans

The beauty of our country's present system of government? Anyone is perfectly free to buy a member of Congress.

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-and-right/300-koch-led-businessmen-pledge-500-million-turn-senate-over-republicans?paging=off¤t_page=1


July 2, 2014
The Koch boys, Charles and David, live in their own little world. It's a special world, enshrouded in a rarefied atmosphere created by the fumes emanating from their family's enormous stockpiles of wealth.

Thus, the two brothers have always felt very special, and they also expect those of us in the down-to-Earth world to treat them special, even heroic. The boys were born rich and right-wing, and they parlayed Daddy Fred Koch's millions into a huge industrial conglomerate that has made each of them uberbillionaires. This has further bloated their sense of self-importance, while also giving them the financial muscle to try transforming our democratic world of egalitarian ideals into their fantasy world of laissez-fairy, social Darwinism, ruled by supermen like...well, like them, of course

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Fri Jul 4, 2014, 09:29 AM

38. K &R Please watch the videos. nt

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Fri Jul 4, 2014, 12:56 PM

42. K&R. Bookmarked till after work later.

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Fri Jul 4, 2014, 01:11 PM

43. Kick And Recommend

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Sat Jul 5, 2014, 02:22 PM

44. Kicking...nt

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