Chris Hayes Clashes with Nevada GOP Assemblywoman Michele Fiore Over Bundy

[ErikJ]

[Manifestor_of_Light]

1. She refused to say that she refused the authority of the Federal Goverment. He pressed her on that.

[PumpkinAle]

2. Typical rightwing bull

crap.

He has been illegally grazing his cattle on federal lands for decades and it is now time to pay the bill. He doesn't own that land (he only owns his ranch), that land belongs to America.

And talking about terrorists Ms. Fiore, isn't Bundy now a domestic terrorist - threatening the lives of federal agents? He and his fellow "patriots" (who have shut down the freeway by using guns to threaten travelers should be housed in a federal prison somewhere for threatening the freedom of real Americans.

[AAO]

3. Typical interrupting right-wing shill.

If you know you will lose the argument, don't let them make it.

[whathehell]

15. "If you know you will lose the argument, don't let them make it" = TeaPary MO.

She came off as a belligerent, but not overly bright or informed bagger.

[3catwoman3]

31. We could also call her...

...a right wing "shrill." Her voice was really annoying.

[fbc]

4. He got owned

Very poor job by Chris Hayes there.

[snappyturtle]

8. I think she held her own. She doesn't like the way the federal gov't came to

NV to collect the bill. That's exactly it. The federal gov't has other means like they tried in United States v. Hage or a lien on his homestead. All the conflict could have been avoided.

[whathehell]

16. Chris agreed with her on the Feds obnoxious "style", but she refused to go beyond that & her

evasions, and attempted deflections of his other questions became obvious...I don't think she "held her own".

[WinstonSmith4740]

21. I don't think so.

This has been going on for over 20 years. He has lost every court case. He owes the government over $1 million. HE is causing this problem. In 1993, he "fired" the BLM, and has refused to pay the same grazing fee that every other rancher in this country pays. He claims because his grandfather settled the land he can deal strictly with the State of Nevada, and bypass the Feds.

I live in the Moapa Valley where this is taking place. I got caught in the traffic jam last week caused by this standoff. Most of the people there were NOT locals...they were "militia" from Idaho, Arizona, Montana, and especially Utah. These brave "soldiers" had planned to put their wives and kids on the front lines so in case shooting started, the American people would see government agents shooting women and children. They were aching, praying, for a fight.

This has nothing to do with the way the government came to collect the bill...he has been given 20 years pay this. It has even less to do with the desert tortoise. He DOES NOT own the land where he is grazing his cattle. This SOB is taking money out of the pockets of every person in this country because that land belongs to US..the BLM manages it for us.

Yes, I think this assembly woman came off as uninformed and belligerent. But this is happening because this man, while waving the American flag around, states that he has not followed ANY federal law in over 20 years. He's a Tea Party loon who, when you get right down to it, hates the concept of the UNITED States of America.

Was there "government over-reach"? Probably. But again, NONE of this would have happened if HE HAD PAID HIS DAMN GRAZING FEES!!

[negoldie]

23. sop

Someone here may know this but my guess is BLM officers carry firearms as standard operating procedure. There are other predators beside humans there in Clark County. Overblown by the rancher not the feds.

[Wellstone ruled]

27. Man you nailed it

Had to go to St Fucksville on Saturday. Notice the same thing you seen. License plates were mostly from Utard,Arizona and South western Montana. Really have to thank the State Patrol for trying to keep the traffic moving. Bad enough with all the construction happening on I-15,then throw in this TeaBillie rally.

Don't know what to tell you man,dealt with this man from time to time in a retail environment,what a self centered egotistical person. As far as our infamous Assembly person,she is just as stupid as the rest of our TeBillies and just cashing in her chits. As long as the public remains ignorant of the facts,we just keep posting the facts and hope the stupids finally wake up and realize we are on to their game of ripping off the populace.

[ellenfl]

28. exactly! not to mention that he is a RICH loon. eom

[whathehell]

13. Only if blatantly evading questions and talking over the host gets you "owned"

Sorry, she came off as aggressive and belligerent but not too bright.

[c588415]

18. Agreed, I enjoy Chris Hayes' show; nevertheless, he got punked.

He has to remember that those on the right are mean selfish delusional individuals who hate the Government except when they find themselves in a crisis and need help. The woman was on her game; she twisted Chris' words, and made him look like semi fool.

[WinstonSmith4740]

19. I agree.

I like Chris, but as an advocate, he basically sucks. Maybe it's just that interviewers on our side of the aisle are fairly polite and don't "talk over" the people they're talking to, but it seems that sometimes he is so determined to make his own point, that he lets fairly egregious statements stand unchallenged. He tried pressing her on a couple of issues, but basically let her rant without addressing his question, and that happens WAY too often in his interviews. I guarantee this interview is being seen on conservative sites as Chris getting his butt handed to him.

[suzanner]

20. Chris did okay exposing her bad logic

While use of force by Feds against an individual is not okay, this Bundy announced he would have his own 'armed militia', so what Fed agent is going to show up unarmed and without backup is the question, which is what Chris was getting at. She sounded like a stubborn, weak-minded airhead.

[demwing]

36. Yep

And eventually cut and ran.

Bummer

[Enthusiast]

5. Isn't she pleasant.

Sounds like she has been drinking. She seems mean spirited too. And ignorant, ignorant like a typical Republican or teabagger.

[Theyletmeeatcake2]

6. she goes by the credo 'never let the facts get in the way of a good story'.

Did she make any relevant points at all, TYT did a story on all this and ithink they basically said this bundy guy is in the wrong.....

[tooeyeten]

32. Amen to that!

She is one weird boisterous non-sensical GOPer.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

7. "Enjoy the barbeque."

[tom_kelly]

9. Sounded like a high school girl n/t

[doxydad]

10. Chris hayes is no Rachel Maddow...

He is not the guy for the job. If you are going to debate the fringe teapubliKKKans, bring a gun, not a knife, to the gunfight. How about getting Stepahnie Miller a show on MSNBC. At least she calls 'em like she sees 'em. Sorry chris, you gotta bring your 'A' game if you want to make a point.

[whathehell]

14. He's every bit as sharp as Rachel, he's just not as rudely aggressive as your average Bagger.

Stephanie Miller?...I'm sorry, she's a good progressive, but not nearly as sharp intellectually as Rachel or Chris.

[Bette Noir]

25. Stephanie is plenty sharp. The difference is that she's a comedian, not a journalist.

It's not her job to debate morons, but to expose them for our morning giggles.

[whathehell]

30. Hmm..

I disagree, but that's okay.

[mopinko]

11. he dealt out the rope, and she hanged herself,

was how it looked to me. she couldnt give a straight answer, and when he assumed one for her, she accused him of putting words in her mouth.

do think she should be made to step down for her sedition, but ....

[freedom fighter jh]

12. "Lien the property"? Did I hear that right?

She said "Lien the cows. Lien the property" and he said "I agree with you." I think he was agreeing to both parts.

But it's *federal* property. That's why there's a grazing fee. Doesn't make sense to impose the lien on the party to which the debt is owed.

[OilemFirchen]

17. I suspect they were discussing his property.

Nonetheless, lien is not a verb. Not surprising from her, who also thinks that "blaten" (20 seconds in) is a word, but shame on Chris.

[90-percent]

22. Fiore

what a magnificent useful idiot. I doubt she even knows who's interests her point of view is serving?

And she needs some coaching on how to be more effective with THE GISH GALLOP when shes being interviewed on tv.

Can't good old fashioned moderated debates come back in style? This "rudest loudest most aggressive and obnoxious talking head wins game" is pretty unfair. And it also poisons the debate with fantasy propaganda instead of facts. Yelling your points do not make them true or correct.

Bring a 100 round fully automatic next time, Chris. Your Second Amendment rights will support you to the fullest.

-90% Jimmy

[panfluteman]

24. A Useful Idiot? Maybe So, But Maybe Not!

This assembleywoman, it seems to me, is trying to score some political points and make some political capital with her base. And she also probably realizes that her base doesn't appreciate the finer points of logic and erudition, either, so she doesn't waste her time on that. All that her base understands is a trigger happy pseudo-machismo against the federal government, which is, more often than not, fueled by subliminal racism against the man in the white house. Talk about subliminal racism - this lady, it seemed, when questioned by Chris Hayes, valued the lives of Bundy's cattle above those of immigrant humans.

[Bette Noir]

26. I noticed that, too.

Perfectly happy to step on the human rights of immigrants.

God, I hate baggers.

[maddiemom]

29. Wow, Clark County Nevada, if I'm not mistaken. About twenty-five years ago they were actively

recruiting teachers back east. Newly divorced and unemployed as a teacher, I had my name with an agency and Clark County contacted and interviewed me in Pittsburgh. They gave me an application and told me to only submit it if I was truly prepared to move out there. I had only been to Las Vegas once, and felt the desert area shown while coming in by air, was pretty barren and depressing. I appreciate that many people adore the desert, but if you're used to greenery, large bodies of water, with Lake Tahoe (nice as it is) your only choice, the answer was simple. In addition, I'd further uprooting a early teenage child. This may seem off topic to the Bundy situation, but I'm pretty sure the beliefs of those who make their homes in such areas are far different than most who work in the government in general. I'm not sure how good the cattle grazing is out there, but then I know nothing about it. I do know that this man had contracts that he chose not to honor while claiming he doesn't recognize the U.S. government. Then again the state of Nevada does, so he's saying....

[JDPriestly]

33. I would like to hear the BLM's version of events.

[rumdude]

34. Chris was really weak in this interview nt

[rumdude]

35. Chris Hayes, Ronan Farrow

Who the F is running the shop over there at MSNBC? Phil? Whoever he is, he sucks big time at picking on-air talent!

Even our beloved Rachel is mostly just preaching to the choir. And top of that, she's boring to watch.