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WhoIsNumberNone

(7,875 posts)
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 08:22 PM Apr 2014

Glenn Beck Says Being Conservative Is Not A Choice



http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/beck-being-conservative-not-choice

Right Wing Watch reports on the extreme rhetoric and activities of key right-wing figures and organizations by showing their views in their own words. In this video, Glenn Beck says that nobody chooses to be conservative, just as nobody chooses to be gay.
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Glenn Beck Says Being Conservative Is Not A Choice (Original Post) WhoIsNumberNone Apr 2014 OP
Political reorientation therapy-- Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #1
I'm not sure he's con-servative liberalmike27 Apr 2014 #22
Like Mental Illness onecaliberal Apr 2014 #2
I was gonna say.... AlbertCat Apr 2014 #20
"LIKE" mental illness? Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #24
choice enid602 Apr 2014 #3
Well you can't fix stupid either...so there is that.... VanillaRhapsody Apr 2014 #4
Yes, if you want to make a living Mr.Bill Apr 2014 #5
it's sad but it's not a choice it's hard wired in their brain juxtaposed Apr 2014 #6
so he thinks his audience was just born stupid. nt Deep13 Apr 2014 #7
Is the grass there so he can cough up hairballs? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #8
I believe so... Grassy Knoll Apr 2014 #11
Who can forget this... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2014 #13
Then there's this: AlbertCat Apr 2014 #23
He may be right randr Apr 2014 #9
Ironically, he IS right. TrollBuster9090 Apr 2014 #10
Maybe so Glenn, but I still don't think demwing Apr 2014 #12
Neither does being a psychopath. QuestForSense Apr 2014 #14
No but being stupid and anti-progress and anti-science is. Initech Apr 2014 #15
Nope, sorry. Jamaal510 Apr 2014 #16
Political identification is as much of a choice as AlbertCat Apr 2014 #21
Actually, I think that's a very apt comparison. Jackpine Radical Apr 2014 #25
It takes years of systematic hate and abuse to make a Conservative Exposethefrauds Apr 2014 #17
.." Those of us who believe in God.." doxydad Apr 2014 #18
Wait... What?? thecrow Apr 2014 #19
Even a stopped (analogue) clock is right twice a day Small Accumulates Apr 2014 #26
Sociopaths and psychopaths also do not have a choice ... nt MindMover Apr 2014 #27
Is Conservatism a Recessive Trait? PeoViejo Apr 2014 #28
lmao. iamthebandfanman Apr 2014 #29
Binary thinking isn't a choice. Thor_MN Apr 2014 #30
All I gotta say is..... AverageJoe90 Apr 2014 #31

liberalmike27

(2,479 posts)
22. I'm not sure he's con-servative
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 10:11 AM
Apr 2014

But if being conservative is not a choice, I think being fanatical certainly is, being historically uninformed, as Glen Beck seems to be, is a choice. Worse, he probably actually KNOWS the truth, and promotes a historically incorrect version of things, as to push is fanatical points.

Mr.Bill

(24,262 posts)
5. Yes, if you want to make a living
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 08:50 PM
Apr 2014

lying and saying stupid shit on TV and radio, you have no choice but to be conservative. Liberals could never get enough ratings by doing that.

TrollBuster9090

(5,954 posts)
10. Ironically, he IS right.
Fri Apr 4, 2014, 09:49 PM
Apr 2014

A) Conservatism is an organic brain set, where you have a brain that doesn't handle ambiguity very well.

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v10/n10/abs/nn1979.html

And,

B) Not to worry. We already have an 'affirmative action' program in place to compensate for their disadvantage. It's called REDISTRICTING, and it gives the average conservative about 1.5 times the voting power that the average liberal has.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
16. Nope, sorry.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 02:49 AM
Apr 2014

Political identification is as much of a choice as you choosing to wear that ugly hat to work.

 

Exposethefrauds

(531 posts)
17. It takes years of systematic hate and abuse to make a Conservative
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 05:31 AM
Apr 2014

Children are not born full of hate it takes someone intentionaly abusive and full of hate to make a Conservative , it is generational and will take a few more generations to change things but there will always be people like this in society, we can’t lock them up nor can we kick them out of the country.

Europe had a big head start on America seeing that they were able to kick out there most regressive and assholeish citizens , unfortunately they ended up here and have been fucking up this country even before we became the United States.

Want more proof America has the most fucked up and regressive assholes….

Australia got all the criminals and today Australia is decades ahead of the USA …..
National Health Care, no guns, living wage, etc……

So someone explain how if we are a Christian Nation founded by Biblical Principals we have Governmental Policies that punish the least among us?

For the record I am an atheist and consider religion a blight upon society and religion has no place what so ever in Government on any level. Religion belongs on private property only.

doxydad

(1,363 posts)
18. .." Those of us who believe in God.."
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:01 AM
Apr 2014

Really? So, unless i believe in the 'god' of this moron I can't be a progressive voice? See, this is the problem. I have learned that if the words... 'Faith'...'Fox'...'Freedom'...or...'Family'.. in the title, it's not good. it's like a beacon that says...ohhhh, shit, don't go there! And Beck and his followers are examples of the wrong in this Country.

thecrow

(5,519 posts)
19. Wait... What??
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 09:06 AM
Apr 2014

I thought that the conservative Principle was that gays DO choose to be gay.
Has Beck broken with (his own?) conservative dogma here?
Or is he a progressive conservative in the area of gayness?
Or could it be that he's actually gay?
When is he coming out?
I want answers!

Small Accumulates

(149 posts)
26. Even a stopped (analogue) clock is right twice a day
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 11:21 AM
Apr 2014
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/inquiring-minds-john-hibbing-physiology-ideology

One of the biggest differences clearly involves the emotion of disgust. Hibbing isn't the only one to have found a relationship between conservatism and stronger disgust sensitivity—this result is also a mainstay of the very influential research of moral psychologist Jonathan Haidt, who studies how deep-seated moral emotions divide the left and the right (see here). In one study, Hibbing and his colleagues showed that a higher level of disgust sensitivity is predictive not only of political conservatism but also disapproval of gay marriage. It is important to underscore that your disgust sensitivity is involuntary; it is not something under your control. It is a primal, gut emotion.

That word, "primal," helps us begin to understand what Hibbing and his colleagues now think ideology actually is. They think that humans have core preferences for how societies ought to be structured: Some of us are more hierarchical, as opposed to egalitarian; some of us prefer harsher punishments for rule breakers, whereas some of us would be more inclined to forgive; some of us find outsiders or out-groups intriguing and enticing, whereas others find them threatening. Hibbing and his team have even found that preferences on such matters appear to have a genetic basis.

Thus, the idea seems to be that our physiology, who we are in our bodies, may lead us to experience the world in such a way that basic preferences about how to run society emerge naturally from more basic dispositions and habits of perception. So, if you have a negativity bias, and you focus more on the aversive and disgusting, then the world seems more threatening to you. And thus, policies like supporting a stronger military, or being tougher on immigration, might feel very natural.
 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
28. Is Conservatism a Recessive Trait?
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 01:34 PM
Apr 2014
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inbreeding

Inbreeding is reproduction from the mating of pairs who are closely related genetically.[1] Inbreeding results in homozygosity, which can increase the chances of offspring being affected by recessive or deleterious traits.[2] This generally leads to a decreased fitness of a population,[3][4] which is called inbreeding depression. An individual who results from inbreeding is referred to as inbred. The avoidance of expression of deleterious recessive alleles caused by inbreeding is thought to be the main selective force maintaining the outcrossing aspect of sexual reproduction.[5][6] (See also Inbreeding depression.)


...All in the Family.


The explanation for inbreeding depression lies in the evolutionary history of the population. Over time, natural selection weeds deleterious alleles out of a population—when the dominant deleterious alleles are expressed, they lower the carrier’s fitness, and fewer copies wind up in the next generation. But recessive deleterious alleles are “hidden” from natural selection by their dominant non-deleterious counterparts. An individual carrying a single recessive deleterious allele will be healthy and can easily pass the deleterious allele into the next generation.
When the population is large, this is generally not a problem—the population may carry many recessive deleterious alleles, but they are rarely expressed. However, when the population becomes small, close relatives end up mating with one another, and those relatives likely carry the same recessive deleterious alleles. When the relatives mate, the offspring may inherit two copies of the same recessive deleterious allele and suffer the consequences of expressing the deleterious allele

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/relevance/IIIA1Inbreeding.shtml


University of Virginia professor of psychology, Jonathan Haidt summarizes the current state of psychological research on the conservative mind:

conservatism is a partially heritable personality trait that predisposes some people to be cognitively inflexible, fond of hierarchy, and inordinately afraid of uncertainty, change, and death. People vote Republican because Republicans offer "moral clarity"—a simple vision of good and evil that activates deep seated fears in much of the electorate. Democrats, in contrast, appeal to reason with their long-winded explorations of policy options for a complex world.

In this view, the moral system favored by conservatives appeals greatly to people who are fearful of change and prone to authoritarian thinking styles.

So how deep do these personality traits go? A team of scientists from UCLA and NYU published the results of an experiment in Nature Neuroscience showing that self-identified conservative and liberal students displayed different cognitive behavior patterns in computer simulations. Thus, liberal students proved far more sensitive to cues for switching response patterns, whereas conservative students tended to filter out the cues as distracting information. They conclude that the cognitive styles of self-reported conservatives were more "structured and persistent," whereas those of liberals showed "greater tolerance for conflict and ambiguity," suggesting they were "more open to new experiences." Similarly, a 2003 review of psychological research on self-identified conservatives across a number of countries concludes that individuals tend to adopt conservative ideologies "to reduce fear, anxiety, and uncertainty; to avoid change, disruption, and ambiguity; and to explain, order, and justify inequality among groups and individuals." In short, people who gravitate toward conservative ideologies tend to be psychologically motivated by the need to manage uncertainty and fear.

But why does conservatism tend to run in families? Are some families more fearful than others? If so, is this innate or learned? And which came first--conservatism or the social cognitive need for conservatism?

A fascinating study published in the American Political Science Review in 2005 suggests that, to some extent, conservative and liberal orientations are heritable. The study reported the results of twin studies showing that monozygotic twins (those who share 100 percent of their genetic material) were far more likely to have the same attitudes on a range of political issues than dizygotic twins (those who share 50 percent of their genetic material), controlling for having been raised together or separately and a whole host of other factors.


http://erinjenne.blogspot.com/2010/08/explaining-conservative-mind-are-you.html

iamthebandfanman

(8,127 posts)
29. lmao.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 03:07 PM
Apr 2014

what funny.. funny... FUNNY... notion.

I can never tell with Glenn if hes being sincere and idiotic or just doing something for audience response because it has cash rewards for him (hes betting). if youre a practicing Christian and you think youre THAT oppressed in this country.. you should really take advantage of obamacare and find a local psychiatric clinic. nobody should have to live with that much paranoia.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
30. Binary thinking isn't a choice.
Sat Apr 5, 2014, 08:22 PM
Apr 2014

Inability to deal with shades of gray (No, not those shades) isn't something that is taught.

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