THe tea party shows their "intelligence"

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[Major Nikon]

1. I've always thought tea party rallies were excellent cases studies for the Dunning–Kruger effect

[MrMickeysMom]

3. Absolutely RIGHT ON, Major Nikon!

I thought I recognize it, so Wikipedia'd it…

The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which unskilled individuals suffer from illusory superiority, mistakenly rating their ability much higher than is accurate. This bias is attributed to a metacognitive inability of the unskilled to recognize their ineptitude.[1] Actual competence may weaken self-confidence, as competent individuals may falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding.

And, while we're at it, we need to see how cognitive dissonance figures in with why people, when presented with NEW information, outside the droning of the Glenn Becker's and Fox "News" stuff, it SO CONFLICTS them…

Social psychologists refer to cognitive dissonance as the presence of incongruent relations among cognitions that frequently results in excessive mental stress and discomfort.[1] Ultimately, individuals who hold two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas and/or values frequently experience cognitive dissonance. This stress and discomfort may also arise within an individual who holds a belief and performs a contradictory action or reaction.[2] For example, an individual is likely to experience dissonance if he or she is addicted to smoking cigarettes and continues to smoke despite believing it is unhealthy.[3]

[Major Nikon]

5. I'm not sure cognitive dissonance accurately describes such individuals

Cognitive dissonance only occurs when the person is aware of the conflict. In the example of cigarettes, most people know it's bad for them but continue to do it anyway. In the case of dipshit wingnuts, I'm not convinced they are even aware of any conflicts to their own self interests. Useful idiots seems to be more descriptive.

This guy makes a pretty good case for mandatory marijuana, as opposed to just legalization.

[Maraya1969]

8. This is what confuses me about pot. When I smoked it at 13 I had a terrible

reaction. And it was not paranoia. It was a feeling of being out of my body and it terrified me. And I remember it happening the day after I got high also. It was the first time I ever had that feeling.

So fast forward 3 years and I had my first panic attack and guess what was one of the symptoms? A feeling that I was not in my body and it terrified me. I have had this feeling too many times in my life. I was diagnosed with panic disorder and when I told one of my doctors, (who was a famous guy who I credit with saving my life) about this he said that the people who have the genetic disposition toward panic attacks or panic disorder very often have a bad reaction to pot.

So maybe it is good for some people I wish it was good for me because I hear it can solve a lot of medical problems.

But I fear that for a certain segment of the population it can turn on a gene that will cause a lot of heartache in the years to come.

[Voice for Peace]

10. I like his point of view.

it is fascinating stuff.

In addition to regulating our internal and cellular homeostasis,
cannabinoids influence a person's relationship with the external environment.
Socially, the administration of cannabinoids clearly alters human behavior,
often promoting sharing, humor, and creativity.

By mediating neurogenesis, neuronal plasticity, and learning, cannabinoids
may directly influence a person's open-mindedness and ability to move beyond
limiting patterns of thought and behavior from past situations. Reformatting
these old patterns is an essential part of health in our quickly changing environment. http://norml.org/library/item/introduction-to-the-endocannabinoid-system

I also believe there is physiology involved in the ability of a
person to access, and understand, his/her own conscience.
It's a basic survival function, and innate to the human design.

Not used, it atrophies, and passes along the weaker design
to offspring, until you end up with people like Cheney and
Rove, and Cheney Junior. A little tiny bit of a conscience,
but not much.

[Enthusiast]

33. I know some really back wards redneck

righties that smoke dope all the time. Maybe they would be worse without the dope? I do not know.

[MrMickeysMom]

12. Meahhhhhh… maybe….

I mean, I get "backward looking people" -v-"forward looking people" (BLPs and FLPs)… but, this doesn't explain SOME (numbers? metrics? I got none…) of the people who post on DU who "used to think that way"… How did THEY adapt the ability to take in new information.

Maybe cognitive dissonance isn't the correct term for most of the idiots we saw in the OP's video. HOWEVER, I've got to believe that many (numbers? metrics? I got also got none…) of these idiots have had relatives who sat down with them, or at least presented them with information that they could have processed. Deep down, waayyyy down… there has to be some kind of conflict with knowing that the person interviewing you appears to be smarter than you are, therefore, may be providing you "food for thought", but it's TOO MUCH with which to deal!

The test would be for control group and test group of those idiots being interviewed to have their endo-canabinoid pathways "restored"… and see who leaves the fucking tea party!

[Major Nikon]

13. I'm not sure pot is an effective remedy for the Dunning–Kruger effect

While ignorance can be corrected, stupid is forever. If one's stupidity robs them of the metacognitive skills to recognize how stupid they are, modern science offers little hope.

[MrMickeysMom]

15. Yeah, but inability to become a FLP by low end-canabinoids was presented by your video-

…where that doctor made an argument for hemp or pot or whatever method of stimulating a dearth of end-ocanabinoids (metabolic argument he mentioned) would be necessary to bring it back in balance so that we could save the earth.

I think both you and I agree that it's more than just that. The question in my mind remains… What is it? Is it's the ever-lasting dumbing down of America (and other nation states before that) which makes people act like these idiots do?

[Major Nikon]

18. I think the election of morans encourages other morans to think their opinions are relevant

Imagine how inspiring someone like Palin or W is to aspiring morans. I mean if one is stupid, you have to be thinking, hey I may not be smart enough to put a round peg in a round hole, but at least I can be president. Then you have the 24 hour cable news effect where at any given moment someone is putting a microphone in a moran's face and asking them what they think. Back in the day when there were only 3 or 4 channels, networks had to be more selective of who they put on. So maybe Buckley was an asshole who was wrong most of the time, but at least he was literate enough to publicly debate someone like Chomsky(not that Chomsky is always right either, but just sayin'). These days Chomsky is lucky to get air time to debate morans like Alex Jones. The entire public discourse has gone straight down the toilet.

[MrMickeysMom]

21. On the other hand...

… maybe we have to de-evolve and experience so much devastation by the lack of intelligent debate, and be brought to the brink of civilization in this 3-D universe… to utterly wipe out a good part of this planet… so that we can re-boot cognation!

Well, as long as we're having this happy chat, why not consider the possibility that we are all meant to fail as humanoids until our consciousness is transformed by whatever means necessary! I sure hope it won't be by following the tea party into the woods.

Peace,

[b757pilot]

30. you took the words right ...

You took the words right off my keyboard.

[Enthusiast]

31. Pretty much, yes.

They actually believe that Fox is fair and balanced.

[santroy79]

2. OMG!!!

Im speechless. I had a conservative friend who said people have no clue and there should be a test you have to take before you can vote. This video would make a strong case for him. These are people that have been lied to & mislead and vote against their own interest.
Sad country we live in.

[KansDem]

4. Glenn Beck's Nine Principles™ courtesy of TYT

[Enthusiast]

32. +1 a significant amount.......nt

[BB1]

6. Great Scott!!!

Do these people suffer from brain damage?

'I haven't read the bill, but I herad about it on Fox News.'
That's the closest they come to actual info?

[on point]

7. No cognitive dissonance if you don't think deep enough to know ideas

Are mutually exclusive. Many conservative people have ideas that cannot coexist in a coherent philosophical framework. One reason discussion with them is painful and non productive. Once a particular concept is disproven or shown to be in conflict they switch to another topic without ever owing up to being wrong about the first. They maintain multiple ideas in conflict because to them belief is more important than understanding. It is a kind of mental sickness

[Maraya1969]

9. This conservative bullshit has cost me one dear friend. She got involved in Fox news

and loved Glen Beck..........and anyway we just stopped talking because I could not stand the things she would send me in emails and even if I went through point by point explaining how what she was sending me could not be true she kept sending me the same stuff.

We are at odds with each other. The last thing she sent me actually said that whoever was writing it did not care if it was true or not. They wanted to say it and believe it.

She is a lost soul

[sorefeet]

17. Same here, I have a friend

who is pretty illiterate actually. Barely reads and can't comprehend anyway. I have helped him with paper work for years. He got a girl friend who is a Glen Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh radical. So since he can't read for shit, she just keeps blowing the smoke up his ass. He says FOX is the only honest news and refuses to listen to anything else. Two years ago he didn't know or care anything about politics. But now he is stupider than ever, because he thinks he is learning. I don't see him much anymore.

[awoke_in_2003]

11. Their ability at doublethink...

would shock Orwell.


On edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

[Populist_Prole]

25. That's a perfect summation

I see that all the time with certain people and it drives me up a wall: Switching to another topic after being proved wrong. Often this will happen multiple times as they pull one topic after another out of their bag of talking points. I've found they'll either do this either to distract/deflect or in hopes of finding one I'll agree on. The latter will occur with people who have over time moved right ( as I moved left ) and are desperate to find some of any residual conservatism in me.

Example, a true one: Him in italics. Me in standard.

Friggin Obama, did you hear he wants to ban regular ( incandescent ) light bulbs and make us use CFLs?...and they're made in China!

No, that's some shit Rush Limbaugh said. In any case, I want to know, aren't the incandescents made in China too?

Well....uh...I don't know but....

Well don't you think maybe you might find out before making a claim like that? Not only that, I thought you were some big supporter of free trade and whatnot; Now you're getting all patriotic over light bulbs?

Yeah well....you'll see what happens when he takes away your social security before you get old enough to use it

( annoyed/surprised tone ) What the fuck are you talking about? It was the GD REPUBLICANS that wanted it on the table with all their budget deficit hysteria bullshit! Don't you even pay attention?

( angry gruff tone ) He's gonna take away your guns...you just watch! you just watch!



Groaning sigh......................

[Saviolo]

14. My word...

do they do anything other than speak in platitudes? And bad platitudes at that?

Baditudes.

[valerief]

16. Wow, dumb as stumps. nt

[Spitfire of ATJ]

19. Sheeze,...elect a black guy and white people really DO go crazy.

[Jack Rabbit]

20. That was entertaining

I liked the guy in the blue wizard cap talking about how the politicians must be smoking funny stuff.

[MrMickeysMom]

22. Yeah, that was a hoot!

That … and the elephants should be woven into the next Beck tee-shirt…

[cynzke]

24. That was the best!!!

[LeftofObama]

23. Three words...

Not. Good. For. The. Country.

[catbyte]

26. I couldn't get through it. Teh Stoopid is way too strong.

It actually makes me nauseous. Ugh. Glad I got that evil gubmint takeover health care. WHERE'S MY BLUE DEATH PILL?

[Thinkingabout]

27. We know we are in trouble when the heroes are Glenn Beck and FAUX Noose.

The guy said they listen to FOX because they have conservative things on and that is what he likes to hear. When ask what section in the bill is the information they heard and they do not know but heard it on FOX news, now there is an intelligent answer. I would think if this bunch was prolife they would insist on healthcare for all.

I envision in a few years from now and the ACA has proven itself valuable the GOP will turn it around and say this is Romney care stolen by the black kid Obama.

[erpowers]

28. That Was Sad

It was sad that so many of those people were so uninformed. It was also sad that so many of them were willing to believe such far fetched ideas.

I would have liked the interviewer to ask the people to explain tort reform. What would tort reform look like and how would it actually stop healthcare rates from rising?

The couple at the end of the video summed up just about everyone in the video. These people seem to be willfully uninformed. Those are not people who had a joke played on them; they eagerly became a part of the joke.

[RBInMaine]

29. Truly STUPID IDIOTS.

[heaven05]

34. disgusting, manipulated tea party flocks

of sheeple. How very far the intelligence of americans has fallen. Or has always been this low, just no reason to exhibit it? Laughable if these dangerously deluded individuals weren't so sad. Good work RW of the amerikkkan body politik.

[Taitertots]

35. The crazy part is that they probably don't think they look stupid when their ignorance is exposed

These people are protesting against ACA and they can't cite any actual parts of the bill.

I don't know if these people are stupid or just so indoctrinated that they are psychologically conditioned to say/think things that are completely insane.

[NastyRiffraff]

36. I weep for my country

The fact that there could be this many idiots in the country, let alone gathered at a stupid rally, is truly frightening. They seem to take a sick sort of pride in being ignorant.