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Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:21 AM

Pic Of The Moment: Birther Presidential Eligibility Quiz



Cruz will renounce Canadian citizenship


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Reply Pic Of The Moment: Birther Presidential Eligibility Quiz (Original post)
EarlG Aug 2013 OP
jberryhill Aug 2013 #1
DetlefK Aug 2013 #5
jberryhill Aug 2013 #9
tosh Aug 2013 #10
npk Aug 2013 #21
hootinholler Aug 2013 #24
AAO Aug 2013 #36
Lucretius Aug 2013 #41
jberryhill Aug 2013 #42
onehandle Aug 2013 #46
chuckstevens Aug 2013 #2
sinkingfeeling Aug 2013 #3
Ganja Ninja Aug 2013 #7
rocktivity Aug 2013 #4
valerief Aug 2013 #6
KansDem Aug 2013 #8
freshwest Aug 2013 #15
tanyev Aug 2013 #32
freshwest Aug 2013 #37
Iliyah Aug 2013 #11
madville Aug 2013 #12
progressoid Aug 2013 #17
Iliyah Aug 2013 #20
jberryhill Aug 2013 #23
Coyotl Aug 2013 #13
Jenoch Aug 2013 #14
Iliyah Aug 2013 #16
Jenoch Aug 2013 #18
jberryhill Aug 2013 #22
Jenoch Aug 2013 #25
Jenoch Aug 2013 #19
Jack Rabbit Aug 2013 #26
tofuandbeer Aug 2013 #27
Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2013 #44
0rganism Aug 2013 #28
SunSeeker Aug 2013 #31
Filibuster Harry Aug 2013 #29
SunSeeker Aug 2013 #30
Jim Lane Aug 2013 #33
ErikJ Aug 2013 #34
tclambert Aug 2013 #35
underpants Aug 2013 #38
Vic Vinegar Aug 2013 #39
Iliyah Aug 2013 #40
Deep13 Aug 2013 #43
UCmeNdc Aug 2013 #45
Ganja Ninja Aug 2013 #47

Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:24 AM

1. "American" is not a "citizenship"

 


It would be clearer if Obama's citizenship were indicated as "US", since Canadians are also "Americans".

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:42 AM

5. There is only one real America. Ask "Team America: World Police".

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:08 AM

9. Nonetheless, the graphic is confusing

 

Since the foofaraw is about Canadian citizenship, the word "American" doesn't draw out the contrast as well in this context.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:14 AM

10. You're right.

It should be "Amurricun".

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 01:14 PM

21. How about the "Big A" n.t

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 01:32 PM

24. And one would think EarlG would know that

I came in to make the same point.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:13 PM

36. Nah, we call Canadians duh Canucks.

 

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:59 PM

41. Citizens of the United States of America

 

are Americans, Canadians and Brazilians are citizens of countries that are located in the Americas.

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Response to Lucretius (Reply #41)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:38 PM

42. Well there you are!

 

You know what's not located in the Americas?

Hawaii!

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 07:45 AM

46. Canadians don't call themselves 'Americans.'

Technically, yes American is not a citizenship, but the moniker of 'American' is so attached to being a United States Citizen, that it didn't even cross my mind until you brought it up.

I'm with EarlG on this.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:24 AM

2. The Canadian Government Releases Official Statement on Ted Cruz

 

No, Please, Don't!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:26 AM

3. Don't forget the Communist connection to Ted Cruz's father!

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:53 AM

7. Obviously he's been indoctrinated with Cuban Revolutionary and Stalinist authoritarian doctrine ...

from the time he was a fetus. A Manchurian Candidate if ever there was one.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:34 AM

4. In the interest of fairness and balance

maybe Obama should renounce his Hawaiian citizenship, too.


rocktivity

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Response to rocktivity (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:49 AM

6. Bwahahaha!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:56 AM

8. Ted Cruz: "Let me in then build The Wall!"

Ted Cruz on the issue of immigration:

•No path to citizenship for 1.65 million illegals in Texas. (Oct 2012)
•Give police more power to ask about immigration status. (Jun 2012)
•Boots on the ground, plus a wall. (Apr 2012)
•Triple the size of the Border Patrol. (Mar 2012)
•Strengthen border security and increase enforcement. (Jul 2011)

http://www.ontheissues.org/senate/Ted_Cruz.htm

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Response to KansDem (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:07 PM

15. We'll just have to go back to this:



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Response to freshwest (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 03:43 PM

32. We're gonna need a really tall wall.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #32)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:34 PM

37. Actually, I love Canadian geese. This particular turkey, not so much!

BTW, no slur intended against turkeys either. Can't think of another metaphor.

Maybe we should have a good at invading them again. Then we'll all be one big happy family!



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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:24 AM

11. The Presidential eligibility of gopers

running is being totally CRAZY. Talk about the further downfall of the USA but at least NSA will firmly be intact and that includes potential presidential candidate Rand Paul as well.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:39 AM

12. Don't see how this relates to Birthers

The whole birther argument centers around Obama hypothetically being born in Kenya to an 18 year old mother. At that point in time under the law if she was 19 and he was born in a foreign country he's considered a US citizen from birth, since she was 18 at that time their theory was he wasn't a citizen from birth and ineligible for POTUS.

At the time of Cruz's birth he was automatically a US citizen, no debate about that.

Just saying the two scenarios are apples and oranges in birther world.

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Response to madville (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:50 PM

17. I haven't heard that convolution.

18 yr olds giving birth was different than a 19 yr old?

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Response to progressoid (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 01:01 PM

20. Pres O's mom could have been 21 yrs. old

and that would not change the birther's hatred.

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Response to progressoid (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 01:31 PM

23. 8 USC 1401

 

There has always been an age/residency requirement to cut off the problem of successive generations of US citizens being born abroad with no real connection to the US.

Figure.

A is a US citizen. A goes to France, has child B there - child B is US citizen. Child B grows up in France, becomes adult, has child C. Child C does the same and so on. Without some sort of residency condition on the parent, you get successive generations of people down the line from A who are US citizens.

The current version is:

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years:


Where it says "at least two", it used to be "at least five".

In other words, the current "difference it makes" is whether the parent is 15 or 16.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:52 AM

13. Canadian Ted Cruz Shocked — Shocked! — To Learn He Is Canadian

 

Ivy-league graduate and Harvard Law Review editor Ted Cruz is a startling example of how a Grade A Dumbass can become a U.S. Senator. From Texas, but it still counts.

Apparently, despite attending Princeton for undergrad and Harvard for law school, this guy had no idea that being born in Canada makes one a Canadian citizen, even though he himself was that guy who was born in Canada and was therefore a Canadian citizen. ........




http://wonkette.com/526155/canadian-ted-cruz-shocked-shocked-to-learn-he-is-canadian

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:58 AM

14. Here's an interesting fact,

 

President Obama held citizenship in Kenya until he was 23 years old.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:21 PM

16. British Nationality Act 1949 (part 11, Section 5)

If birther's even read it they for sure will adjust it to their own interpretations. Cruz was born outside of the USA to an USA citizen mother. Pres O's mother gave birth to him in Hawaii which is a state in the USA. If you read the above "British law" Pres O at birth was considered a Kenyan citizen because his father was a citizen of Kenya, nothing more. Since Kenya won their independent that law become moot.

1948 and commenced January 1, 1949 . . . .

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:50 PM

18. Kenyan law made President Obama a Kenyan citizen

 

until age 21 with a 2 year grace period, unless the citizen renounces their Kenyen citizenship before then.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #18)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 01:26 PM

22. Be that as it may, the US runs on US law

 


People get really confused about the simple idea that each nation gets to define - on its own - who are and who are not citizens.

It does not matter what the law of some other country says. What matters, for US citizenship, is what US law says.

If I was running Iran, I would amuse myself by passing a law that makes all candidates for US president to be Iranian citizens, just to piss off the birfers.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #22)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 01:39 PM

25. You are correct.

 

In fact, in the U.S., there is no such thing as dual-citizenship. Either someone is a U.S. citizen or they are not, it does not matter what some other country chooses as citizens.

The whole birther thing, whether it's a reference to President Obama or Senator Cruz, is just stupid.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:51 PM

19. Kenyan law made President Obama a Kenyan citizen

 

until age 21 with a 2 year grace period, unless the citizen renounces their Kenyen citizenship before then.

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Response to Iliyah (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:19 PM

26. May I throw some confusion into the issue?

That's one of my favorite pastimes.

When the President was born (4 August 1961) there was no such thing as a citizen of Kenya. Although Kenya was in the process of becoming independent from 1959, the Republic of Kenya did not become officially independent of the British Empire until 12 December 1963. Obviously, I am not familiar with the British Nationality Act, so that's what my questions concern.

Wouldn't a child born to an American mother and a Kenyan father in 1961 be both an American citizen and a British subject? The question then becomes one of whether Kenyans, such as Obama's father, retained any rights as British subjects after independence, in which case the child who would grow up to be president may have held triple citizenship.

Obama's parents separated when he was a month old and his father never played a significant role in his life. The boy Obama no doubt considered himself an American with only a vague notion any legal status he had anywhere else.

We have to be somewhat disappointed that Orly Taitz didn't bring any of this up in her silly circus of lawsuits aimed at making Obama retroactively ineligible to be president. A little more absurdity to the issue wouldn't have made her actions any less of a waste of a federal judge's time than they were, but late night comedians would have had even more fun than they did with these possibilities.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:27 PM

27. :D The lady in the right corner's comment made me laugh!!! :D

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Response to tofuandbeer (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:11 AM

44. Me too, because there would be absolutely ZERO question in her mind.

 

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:44 PM

28. thought i heard he had TRIPLE Citizenship

because his father was Cuban, he had Cuban citizenship by their constitution or something like that.

Did he already renounce that one?

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #28)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:58 PM

31. LOL! This story just keeps getting better.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:56 PM

29. Donald Trump, and the birthers -- need to be consistent here-- Ted Cruz cannot

run for president . Make sure you see his grades too!!!

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:56 PM

30. K & R

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 03:56 PM

33. Error in your OP, EarlG

 

The man's name isn't "Ted" Cruz. It's "Rafael" Cruz. Says so right on the birth certificate.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 05:46 PM

34. Canada is white, and Kenya is a black country.

 

So Cruz is eligible in their minds.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:09 PM

35. So . . . baseball players in the National League are ineligible.

Only American Leaguers allowed.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 06:49 PM

38. Cruz's father, now the darling of the right, fought FOR the Castro revolution n/t

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 08:47 PM

39. well lets just remember

The Clintons started the "Obama is Kenyan" thing through their own campaign and the Larouche Movement. In FACT, Obama is a dual citizen of England because his father was born in Kenya; however, who really cares because in the last election Mitt Romney's father was born in Mexico. and his crazy cult believes that Mormons are not Americans but members of a New Zion; for the most part.

Anywho I think there should be a clause that says your wife can't work for Goldman Sachs if you want to be president because that is so much worse than being a citizen of another country.

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Response to Vic Vinegar (Reply #39)

Tue Aug 20, 2013, 10:04 PM

40. And that would be fact - Vic Vinegar

about the beginning of birthers.

Sane to say that a few founders who wrote and signed the USA Constitution, believed in extra-terrestrials - LOL

And Mormons - Planet Kalob

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:00 AM

43. Well, Art. II says one must be a "native born" American...

...this should not be confused with the 14th Am.'s definition of citizenship ("All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, are citizens of the United States ....". By coincidence, anyone born in America is both "native born" and a citizen.

Barack Obama was born in the State of Hawaii. He's both native born for Art. II purposes and a citizen for 14th Am. purposes. End of discussion.

Cruz was born in Canada. Under Federal law, his American citizen mother makes him a citizen. So, in effect, he was instantly naturalized by operation of law by being born to an American citizen. So, is he a "native born American?" I don't really know. The simple truth is that there is no working definition of the term. It seems clear that someone who is born of foreign parents in a foreign country is not a "native born American." What about one American parent in a foreign country? I just don't know.

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 02:51 AM

45. Ted Cruz still has not shown the proper paperwork to say he is a citizen of the US.

Where is his state department document?

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Response to EarlG (Original post)

Wed Aug 21, 2013, 08:54 AM

47. Actually Ted may be a citizen of Canada and Cuba

And since he's only renouncing his Canadian citizenship and he hasn't produced a birth certificate or any other document proving he's an American citizen then that only leaves one choice. He's a Cuban refugee.

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