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Bush's conspiracy gaffe on ABC (Original Post) jakeXT Apr 2013 OP
Jerk. Crook. Liar. Worst. pResident. Ever. AndyA Apr 2013 #1
Conspiracy just means a secret, illegal plot CJCRANE Apr 2013 #2
Yep. I think he wears an earpiece so his handlers can tell him what to say. reformist2 Apr 2013 #9
+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #13
Yeah BaronChocula Apr 2013 #18
+1. Except for the Frank Luntz angle, this is an utter non-issue RufusTFirefly Apr 2013 #23
Ok, I understand... TDale313 Apr 2013 #3
It's an agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act. AAO Apr 2013 #24
Who me? TDale313 Apr 2013 #25
LOL! AAO Apr 2013 #32
Using the word "conspiracy" is only proof that he's an idiot. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #4
You can practically see his remaining brain cells fighting what to say jakeXT Apr 2013 #7
Yeah,...in slow motion. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #16
it was a conspiracy among the 19 hijackers Enrique Apr 2013 #5
why don't you go to.... tomp Apr 2013 #28
It was a conspiracy by definition They_Live Apr 2013 #6
The man is an idiot. He can not even complete a single sentence without stumbling. Botany Apr 2013 #8
The supreme court stopped the vote count and gave it to him. n/t AnotherDreamWeaver Apr 2013 #10
still, 50 mill people voted for him.... tomp Apr 2013 #27
Maybe he was going to say 'concerted attack'? AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #11
"It's really hard to protect the homeland" Politicalboi Apr 2013 #12
He will eventually spill all the beans he's got Euphoria Apr 2013 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #15
Why does he insist on saying "Homeland" and not "America"? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #17
You nailed the period it surfaced. summerschild Apr 2013 #26
FYI We don't live in the "Homeland" zebonaut Apr 2013 #19
When was the Frat Boy ever concerned about having the facts? Jack Rabbit Apr 2013 #20
Heh heh -- Huh? Blue Owl Apr 2013 #21
9/11 and the wars were just so funny Botany Apr 2013 #22
That idiotic smirk of his is just so wildly inappropriate. trusty elf Apr 2013 #29
At first he thought it was another con..... I hear it... midnight Apr 2013 #30
I don't think he said anything strange Renew Deal Apr 2013 #31
watch your step Bucky Apr 2013 #33
what exactly did he say? burnodo Apr 2013 #34
I defy anyone to find video of anyone in public life in America who is a PCIntern May 2013 #35

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
1. Jerk. Crook. Liar. Worst. pResident. Ever.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:44 AM
Apr 2013

The man should be in jail. He should have lots of friends in there with him, too. Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, for starters...

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
2. Conspiracy just means a secret, illegal plot
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:46 AM
Apr 2013

so, strictly speaking, Bush was correct even according to the official story.

But Frank Luntz or whoever obviously told him to say "organized plot" instead of "conspiracy".

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
23. +1. Except for the Frank Luntz angle, this is an utter non-issue
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 06:19 PM
Apr 2013

Any attempts to play "gotcha" with Dubya's almost use of "conspiracy" is a total waste of time and energy and shows complete ignorance of the word's meaning.

No one who understands the meaning of the word would dispute that 9/11 was a conspiracy. Where the disagreement lies is in who the "evildoers" behind that particular conspiracy were.



Bush's "gaffe" was tantamount to his saying "Bible" instead of "Scripture" (or, heaven forbid, "country" instead of "Homeland.&quot

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
3. Ok, I understand...
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:47 AM
Apr 2013

Not wanting to necessarily use the word conspiracy because of the connotations, but to play devil's advocate...

If multiple people plan a criminal act, isn't that kinda by definition a conspiracy to commit said act?

 

AAO

(3,300 posts)
24. It's an agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 09:36 PM
Apr 2013

Nothing more. You sound like a conspiracy theorist.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
5. it was a conspiracy among the 19 hijackers
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:50 AM
Apr 2013

making something out of this reminds me of rightwing attacks on Obama that simply don't make any sense.

 

tomp

(9,512 posts)
28. why don't you go to....
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 05:14 AM
Apr 2013

...www.911independentcommission.org/questions.html (for example) and answer the questions posed by the 9/11 families. when you have done that we can see if your anti-conspiracy attitude is worth a damn. let's see how much sense you make.

They_Live

(3,300 posts)
6. It was a conspiracy by definition
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 11:56 AM
Apr 2013

no matter what theory you believe because it was not carried out by one person.

Botany

(72,380 posts)
8. The man is an idiot. He can not even complete a single sentence without stumbling.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 12:03 PM
Apr 2013

How the hell did he ever get to be POTUS?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
11. Maybe he was going to say 'concerted attack'?
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 12:14 PM
Apr 2013

This seems to be in reference to the follow-up explosion in West, Texas, before people knew if it was an industrial accident, or malicious act, like the Boston Marathon bombing.

There's more than one word in the dictionary that starts with 'Co'.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
12. "It's really hard to protect the homeland"
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 12:18 PM
Apr 2013

Yeah, just ask the Pentagon with 40 minutes notice. Billions on DEFENSE, but they failed miserably, and no one wants any explanation.

Response to jakeXT (Original post)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. Why does he insist on saying "Homeland" and not "America"?
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 01:54 PM
Apr 2013

Sorry, but I know German, and that word homeland smacks of Heimat which is OK in German but which in English has uncomfortable, NAZI associations.

Why do they use that term? It was never used when I was growing up.

It seems to have been brought in during the Rove/Cheney/Bush period. I don't like it at all.

summerschild

(725 posts)
26. You nailed the period it surfaced.
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 01:23 AM
Apr 2013

The neocon PNAC crowd brought it in. It sure does smack of their fascist roots.
 

zebonaut

(3,688 posts)
19. FYI We don't live in the "Homeland"
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:30 PM
Apr 2013

That is some sort of racist nazi Texas term; but I don't use it. No one should. Maybe in his mind; bush lives in the "Homeland"; but the rest of us are United States Citizens. Of course in bush's Universe; he is a great hero; and a great President. Some sort of Parallel world.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
20. When was the Frat Boy ever concerned about having the facts?
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:33 PM
Apr 2013

He took us to war against Iraq with having any.

Renew Deal

(82,907 posts)
31. I don't think he said anything strange
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 10:01 AM
Apr 2013

The problem is that "conspiracy" is a radioactive word. He was smart to catch himself.

 

burnodo

(2,017 posts)
34. what exactly did he say?
Tue Apr 30, 2013, 11:16 PM
Apr 2013

I realized this man was an idiot during the 2000 republican convention, so I have zero interest in watching him speak at any length.

PCIntern

(26,840 posts)
35. I defy anyone to find video of anyone in public life in America who is a
Wed May 1, 2013, 06:07 AM
May 2013

worse orator than this guy. I have never seen anyone run for dogcatcher who is this impaired - in every sense - publically.

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