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Watergate was to steal wiretap file of Nixon committing Treason

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Reply Watergate was to steal wiretap file of Nixon committing Treason (Original post)
ErikJ Mar 2013 OP
jjewell Mar 2013 #1
pam4water Mar 2013 #2
1monster Mar 2013 #3
formercia Mar 2013 #9
pacalo Mar 2013 #24
Bucky Mar 2013 #29
formercia Mar 2013 #35
dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #27
1monster Mar 2013 #34
W T F Mar 2013 #4
graham4anything Mar 2013 #5
craigmatic Mar 2013 #16
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #6
turbo_satan Mar 2013 #10
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #21
Boomerproud Mar 2013 #7
WillyT Mar 2013 #8
malthaussen Mar 2013 #11
ErikJ Mar 2013 #12
malthaussen Mar 2013 #13
Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2013 #22
Bucky Mar 2013 #31
ReRe Mar 2013 #14
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #15
dreamnightwind Mar 2013 #28
Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2013 #32
craigmatic Mar 2013 #17
DhhD Mar 2013 #18
mother earth Mar 2013 #19
rhett o rick Mar 2013 #20
Stuart G Mar 2013 #23
Roland99 Mar 2013 #25
jerseyjack Mar 2013 #26
Bucky Mar 2013 #30
jjewell Mar 2013 #33

Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 02:22 PM

1. I knew about...

... the Reagan Iranian hostage scheme, but I was unaware of the Nixon 1968 Vietnam peace talk involvement.

The US Government continues to treat it's citizens like mushrooms... Keep 'em in the dark and feed 'em shit....

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 02:41 PM

2. Great story. I'd like to see it pick up by other news broad casts.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 02:45 PM

3. It was "not good for the country" for the American people NOT to know about

"this" ... By not informing the people of the United States of the treasonous behaviors of Nixon and his henchmen, Johnson allowed the criminal element of the Republican party to grow stronger and pull this on us again and again in similar and different ways.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:38 PM

9. LBJ has a Heart Attack and dies just a couple of Days after Nixon is sworn-in.

Makes me wonder if LBJ was silenced.

Nixon would have had the authority and the connections to have it done.

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Response to formercia (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:42 PM

24. I wondered that myself after reading about all this the other day.

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Response to formercia (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:18 AM

29. Baseless assumption. Ridiculous assumption. LBJ had had health issues for years.

Getting away with murdering an ex president looks fun and sexy on "23" but in real life it's a little harder to get past the Secret Service detail. OTOH, old men with heart conditions and a love of barbecue sometimes die.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 01:36 PM

35. He also knew too much

That can be a terminal illness, as well.

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Response to 1monster (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:10 AM

27. Agree

I posted about this in another thread on the same Parry info. Johnson had learned about Nixon's sabotage of th Vietnamese peace talks through illegal wiretaps he had made of the Nixon campaign. I believe that's why Johnson wouldn't release the info he had, it was obtained illegally and he would have been implicated. That's not a good enough reason for silence, but I'll bet that it factored heavily in Johnson's decision.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 05:25 AM

34. Sigh, it's hard to find and honest crimina... uh...politician.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:18 PM

4. This should shed some light on the 18 minute gap

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:25 PM

5. LBJ fans have known this to be true for years.

 

LBJ couldn't release this info, after what happened to JFK

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Response to graham4anything (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:56 PM

16. Actually if LBJ feared no one would believe him due to the credibility gap.

 

Plus he didn't want to divide the country further.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:26 PM

6. Is there a link to an article on this story (you know, non-video)?

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:41 PM

10. Link to story

Here you go:

http://goo.gl/sg71N

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Response to turbo_satan (Reply #10)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:12 PM

21. Thank you! That was a Very Interesting Read and dovetails with facts and understandings I had. nt

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:30 PM

7. Sickening, but not surprising.

Will our media grow some spine and do a series of stories on this. No. Why is the truth always relegated to shows or books that no one watches and no one reads?

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 03:36 PM

8. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

 


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Response to malthaussen (Reply #11)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:08 PM

12. I'll have to read it. Interesting excerpt.

 

"As Inauguration Day approached, an embittered President Johnson ordered his national security aide Walt Rostow to remove from the White House the file containing the secret evidence of this "sordid story," a decision that would have its own unintended consequences.
But Johnson did know that the file was no longer at the White House because he had ordered Walt Rostow to remove it in the final days of his own presidency.
[Nixon instructed H.R. Haldeman, his chief of staff, to find and destroy the secret Rostow file on the Nixon campaign efforts to undercut the Paris peace conference. Haldeman had told Nixon that the file was being safeguarded at the Brookings Institute.]
On June 30, 1971, Nixon again berated Haldeman about the need to break into Brookings and "take it [the file] out." Nixon even suggested using former CIA officer E. Howard Hunt (who later oversaw the two Watergate break-ins in May and June of 1972) to conduct the Brookings break-in.
"You talk to Hunt," Nixon told Haldeman. "I want the break-in. Hell, they do that. You're to break into the place, rifle the files, and bring them in. ... Just go in and take it. Go in around 8:00 or 9:00 o'clock."
Haldeman: "Make an inspection of the safe."
Nixon: "That's right. You go in to inspect the safe. I mean, clean it up." For reasons that remain unclear, it appears that the planned Brookings break-in never took place, but Nixon's desperation to locate Johnson's peace-talk file was an important link in the chain of events that led to the creation of Nixon's Plumbers unit and then to Watergate.................
...........................

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Response to ErikJ (Reply #12)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:12 PM

13. At the least, it provides an answer to the question of...

... why Nixon wanted to burglarize the DNC to begin with. I am, however, unconvinced: if Dick knew of the existence of this material, why did he wait so long to try to secure it? If it was so important to him, you'd think he would have made it a priority.

-- Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #13)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:16 PM

22. Nixon did make it a priority. He put Kissinger on the case. Doesn't get much higher than that.

Nixon put Kissinger and Haldeman on it in 1969, right after he got elected.

From the article someone above gave me the link to:

Shortly after Nixon took office in 1969, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover informed him of the existence of the file containing national security wiretaps documenting how Nixon’s emissaries had gone behind President Lyndon Johnson’s back to convince the South Vietnamese government to boycott the Paris Peace Talks, which were close to ending the Vietnam War in fall 1968.

The disruption of Johnson’s peace talks then enabled Nixon to hang on for a narrow victory over Democrat Hubert Humphrey. However, as the new President was taking steps in 1969 to extend the war another four-plus years, he sensed the threat from the wiretap file and ordered two of his top aides, chief of staff H.R. “Bob” Haldeman and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger, to locate it. But they couldn’t find the file.

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:57 AM

31. The Plumbers operations started long long before the 1972 campaign.

The OP is confused. LBJ did not store his tapes on Nixon's collusion to break up the peace talks in '68 in the DNC headquarters. Hartmann's interview left that a little vague, but Parry's point was that Nixon's audio taping mania started with LBJ getting the goods on Nixon himself. I think it started earlier than that, but it's true that the extensiveness of Nixon's taping operation was probably inspired by the Kennedy and Johnson administrations' practice of secretly taping White House discussions.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:34 PM

14. I read his article on here somwhere yesterday?

...Oh yeah...it was on the October Surprise! End of Carter adm/first of Reagan Adm. Everyone cried conspiracy, and the CIA, et al, called them conspiracy theorists. God I love the truth! And ARGO is a lie! You know, Republicons always holler about Hollywood, but you can't tell me Repubs don't know that a large part of Hollywood is owned by the MIC, or at least they support them to the hilt in every way they can to forward propaganda in the war movies, and those about the CIA in Arabia. I didn't see Argo. Not that I didn't want to. I just didn't get around to it. I wonder if the real story will be made into a movie??? I wish, but no, Hollywood will get no MIC backing for the truth. HW would not touch it with a 10 ft. pole. And the missing 1968 file was the real reason Nixon had Hunt & Liddy break-in at the Brookings Inst in the Watergate building. It had nothing to do with Daniel Ellsberg or the Democratic Party.

Has anyone seen any of this on MSM yet? I haven't, but I'm not glued to MSM, either. No, there's the POPE selection at the Vatican. Martin Bashir is beginning with effing Paul Ryan. Holy mackerel! Most of us here on DU lived through this effing nightmare lie since 1968. Well, I'm not like most lemmings in this country. I have a right and want to know what the eff this MIC is up to. It is NOT ok to lie, and especially when I'm effing paying for it! I'm sorry for the rant. I need to settle down before I bust a vein somewhere in my head.

Moral: Republiicons could not get elected without committing high crimes and effing misdemeanors, without the committing of treason. I'm happy to learn the truth, but sad to know that I was lied to for so long.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:44 PM

15. For many Liberals LBJ was the guy who got us into Vietnam....

 

Telling them it was actually Tricky Dick is going to have them rediscover the LBJ years.

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Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:16 AM

28. I don't get what you're saying

LBJ served his time, which was part of Kennedy's term and a term of his own, escalating the Vietnam thing into a war. The peace talks were apparently sabotaged by Nixon in fall of '68. Nixon appears to be responsible for extending the war, not for getting us into it.

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Response to dreamnightwind (Reply #28)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 02:25 AM

32. I knew that, of course...

 



And YES Nixon did this:

http://consortiumnews.com/2012/03/03/lbjs-x-file-on-nixons-treason/

My point is that Liberals have long blamed LBJ for Vietnam and it has taken away from the accomplishments he made while in office.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 04:58 PM

17. This isn't really news it's been a known fact for years. They even said this on history channel's

 

"the presidents" just before Nixon's segment started.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:36 PM

18. Apparently Hoover wanted no further part in president rigging as he left a paper on

GHB at the bottom of a stack of documents, in his office to be found after Hoover was no longer head of the FBI. The FBI/Hoover had, of course, investigated the assassination of JFK.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 05:40 PM

19. Keeping these crimes from the American public enabled them to continue. Silence is the ultimate

accomplice. I shudder to think of what we don't know, given the little we do.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 07:47 PM

20. What I find striking is how gullible the DEmocratic party apparently is.

 

Nixon fooled them once shame on him, Reagan fools them again, shame on Democratic Party, the, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. fooled them again and again. WTF.

Now you might argue that dirty tricks by the Republicans shouldnt change our principles to use dirty tricks. Ok, but I think our principles have room for using dirty tricks to foil their dirty tricks. That may have happened to Rove in Ohio in 2012. I hope so. I hope the Democrats are learning that the REpublicans will do anything, including murder IMO, to win power.

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 08:24 PM

23. K and R nt. thanks for posting

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 09:04 PM

25. Can't wait for MSNBC, CNN, ABC, CBS, etc. to start covering this

should I hold my breath or not?

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Tue Mar 12, 2013, 09:34 PM

26. --been mentioned quite a few times by Thom Hartmann

 

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Response to ErikJ (Original post)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 12:43 AM

30. Little bits of revisionism in this presentation turn me off.

I really like Thom Hartmann; he covers stories MSM won't. But here he lets his views interfere in the facts.

After the convention, Reagan was down in the polls and people thought Reagan was a radical
Liberals generally couldn't understand Reagan's appeal in 1980, but the general understanding was that Carter was a very weak contender for reelection. Think about all those liberals flocking to John Anderson's independent candidacy (polling in the mid 20s in late September) and both the Kennedy and Brown challenges to Carter. Anderson's support mostly went to Carter as Reagan's numbers held strong throughout the last weeks of the campaign. I remember shopping for almanacs at a drug store in the fall of 1980 and being surprised to see Reagan already listed as the 40th President. His election was not a surprise.

And then the Iranians took the hostages and that sank Carter. Freeing the hostages would mean he'd easily win reelection
Major chronology problem there. Hartmann's making it sound like the hostage crisis happened after Reagan's nomination. Nope. The hostages were take in November 1979 and Reagan wasn't assured of the nomination until April or May of 1980. The convention was in July. Hartmann's also forgetting other crises Carter was faulted for mishandling, like the flawed Eagle I rescue attempt and the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan (against an unreliable Soviet ally government in Kabul). There was even a mostly bogus story about Soviet ground troops moving into Cuba that autumn. The economy was in shambles (with both inflation and high unemployment) and economists had coined a new word, "stagflation," just to describe how bad it was. Carter was toast on multiple fronts.



The stuff on Casey's rigging the hostage negotiations has been well known for a long time. I'm not sure it makes the Reagan administration (much less the "by extension" Poppy Bush administration--elected with 54%) illegitimate.

Hartmann's also ignoring the fact that LBJ pretty much preferred Nixon over Humphrey, having never had much of an opinion of his own Veep, whose pecker he so famously pocketed.

I don't think Parry is saying Watergate was Hunt and his Cubans looking for LBJ's tape of Nixon's sabotage of the Vietnam Peace Talks from four years earlier. That's not logical. Why would LBJ stash those tapes at the DNC headquarters? It's known the burglars went back to the Watergate to fix a poorly installed bug on the Democrats' phones. That was the uncovering event in the Watergate scandal. Parry's point is that Nixon's overall taping fetish started with LBJ getting the goods on Nixon himself in '68. But I'm pretty sure Nixon was screwy in the head and clinically paranoid a good deal before 1968.

Overall, it's an informative video, but Hartmann uncharacteristically dropped the ball on this one.

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Response to Bucky (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 13, 2013, 03:51 AM

33. Bottom line...

The Iranian Hostage Crisis is what caused Carter to turn into a "weak contender for re-election", and made Reagan
seem strong in comparison during the 1980 campaign. You are correct that Desert One, and Ted Koppel on every night
with ABC's "America Held Hostage - Day xxx" (all the way to Day 444), which eventually became "Nightline" didn't help
Carter's case. But Reagan was considered "Barry Goldwater on Steroids" until the Hostage Crisis, and after the abject
failure of Desert One, the American public decided they needed a "cowboy" in the White House.

The Reagan campaign's interference in the hostage negotiations was and is still tantamount to treason.

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