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Sun Apr 6, 2014, 03:52 PM

No more NSA spying? Sorry, Mr Obama, but that's not true

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http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/mar/30/no-more-nsa-spying-obama-not-true


Last week in the Hague, Barack Obama seemed to have suddenly remembered the oath he swore on his inauguration as president that stuff about preserving, protecting and defending the constitution of the United States. At any rate, he announced that the NSA would end the "bulk collection" of telephone records and instead would be required to seek a new kind of court order to search data held by telecommunications companies.

This policy change is a tacit admission of what Edward Snowden (and 2001 whistleblower William Binney before him) had been claiming, namely that the warrantless surveillance of US citizens by the NSA and other government agencies does, in fact, violate the constitution of the United States. Obama's announcement looked to some observers as the first crack to appear in the implacable facade of the national surveillance state. This looked promising because, as we know from second world war movies, the first crack is inevitably the harbinger of the eventual total collapse of the dam.

Dream on. The significant thing about Obama's announcement is the two things it left out: surveillance of the internet (as distinct from the telephonic activity of American citizens); and of the rest of the world that's you and me. So even if Obama succeeds in getting his little policy swerve through Congress, the central capabilities of the national surveillance state will remain in place, untouched and unimpaired.

At the heart of these capabilities is the "bulk collection" (that is, warrantless) collection and storage of communications metadata on an unimaginable scale. Given that metadata in this context is essentially a log of every communicative act that you make in cyberspace where you went; who you emailed or texted; who emailed or texted you; the URL of every website you visited; a list of every web search you've ever made; and so on metadata nowadays constitutes information of a very detailed and intimate nature

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Reply No more NSA spying? Sorry, Mr Obama, but that's not true (Original post)
Autumn Apr 2014 OP
grasswire Apr 2014 #1
Autumn Apr 2014 #2
Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #3
Autumn Apr 2014 #4
Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #5
Autumn Apr 2014 #6
blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #7
Autumn Apr 2014 #8
Doctor_J Apr 2014 #9

Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 03:57 PM

1. eternal vigilance is the price of liberty


Gotta parse every statement.

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Response to grasswire (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 04:03 PM

2. Sure does seem that way.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 06:41 PM

3. And again, I ask:

Since nobody is happy with Obama's proposed reforms, why isn't anyone pushing for congress to just defund the NSA?

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #3)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:02 PM

4. Some of us have done just that.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:12 PM

5. Oh yeah? Who is your congressperson and what was the response from their office?

Either way, good on you...Too many people have been giving congress (among others) a free pass on the whole thing...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #5)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 07:33 PM

6. My congressman is a lousy republican so you can guess his response. However, Senator Udalls

views are well known and I have received very positive responses from him. I'm not going to give anyone a pass on this. Not Bush, not Congress, not the Senate and not Obama.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 08:49 PM

7. Clinton was good at the double talk, too, I remember.

 

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Response to blkmusclmachine (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 6, 2014, 09:30 PM

8. I remember that too. But I doubt Clinton has any input on this.

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Response to Autumn (Original post)

Mon Apr 7, 2014, 09:33 AM

9. I really thought this president would start a significant clean-up of the DC sewer

 

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