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Thu Feb 27, 2014, 12:08 PM

DEMOCRACY NOW: tapes reveal US backing coup in Ukraine

Some of our corporate Democrat friends here screamed conspiracy theory when anyone suggested the US had a hand in the violence in the Ukraine and Venezuela, but leaked tapes have shown US diplomats choreographing ways to "midwife" the outcome they wanted and micromanaging down to the level of who should be included in the new government and who shouldn't, deciding between our favorite candidate and Germany's Angela Merkel's.

I've gone a little over the four paragraph limit, but our tax dollars paid for all but the last paragraph.

The speakers are the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, and Victoria Nuland, the top U.S. diplomat for Europe.

Do we want our diplomats trying to dismember Russia to the point that it starts a new Cold War?

VICTORIA NULAND: So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the U.N. help glue it. And, you know, [bleep] the EU.

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GEOFFREY PYATT: Let me work on Klitschko, and if you can just keep—I think we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. Then the other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we can probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.

VICTORIA NULAND: So, on that piece, Geoff, when I wrote the note, Sullivan’s come back to me VFR saying, "You need Biden?" And I said, "Probably tomorrow for an attaboy and to get the deets to stick." So Biden’s willing.

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VICTORIA NULAND: Good. So, I don’t think Klitsch should go into the government. I don’t think it’s necessary. I don’t think it’s a good idea.

GEOFFREY PYATT: Yeah. I mean, I guess, you think—in terms of him not going into the government, just let him sort of stay out and do his political homework and stuff. I’m just thinking, in terms of sort of the process moving ahead, we want to keep the moderate democrats together. The problem is going to be Tyahnybok and his guys. And, you know, I’m sure that’s part of what Yanukovych is calculating on all of this. I kind of—

VICTORIA NULAND: I think—I think Yats is the guy who’s got the economic experience, the governing experience. He’s the guy—you know, what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week. You know, I just think Klitsch going in, he’s going to be at that level working for Yatsenyuk. It’s just not going to work.


STEPHEN COHEN: All right. And notice the intimacy with which the Americans deal with the two leading so-called "moderate"—and these are big shots, they both want to be president—Ukrainian opposition. Klitschko is Vitali Klitschko, a six-foot-eight former—he resigned his title two months ago to enter politics—heavyweight champion of the world. His residence has been Ukraine—I mean, Germany. He plays—he pays taxes in Germany. He’s a project of Merkel. He represents German interests. I’m sure he’s also faithful to Ukraine, but he’s got a problem. Yatsenyuk, however—not Yatsenyuk, but the other guy she calls "Yats" is a representative of the Fatherland Party. It’s a big party in Parliament. But Washington likes him a lot. They think he’ll be our man. So you could see what they’re saying. We don’t quite trust Klitschko. Now, if you want to get esoteric, that’s the tug between Washington and Berlin. They’re not happy with Merkel, the chancellor of Germany. They don’t like the role Merkel is playing, generally. They think Germany has gotten too big for its britches. They want to cut Merkel down. So you noticed Klitschko, the boxer, is Merkel’s proxy, or at least she’s backing him. You notice that they say, "He’s not ready for prime time. Let him do his homework."

http://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/20/a_new_cold_war_ukraine_violence

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yurbud Feb 2014 OP
Laelth Feb 2014 #1
rafeh1 Feb 2014 #2
yurbud Feb 2014 #3
cprise Feb 2014 #4
Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #5
yurbud Feb 2014 #6
yurbud Feb 2014 #7
penultimate Mar 2014 #8

Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 01:13 PM

1. Interesting. k&r for exposure. n/t

-Laelth

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 03:19 PM

2. kerry ran the Egyptian coup to perfection

kerry ran the Egyptian coup to perfection. Complete plausible deniability. even compared himself to Kissinger at the end.

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Response to rafeh1 (Reply #2)

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 05:36 PM

3. wow. Do you have a link for that?

I'd like to cite it when taking to others.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 09:35 AM

4. K&R

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 10:18 AM

5. I'd have thought it was obvious...

Moscow is pulling strings on their end to control the outcome, and Washington is doing the same...

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Response to Blue_Tires (Reply #5)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:12 PM

6. Look at some of the threads before the elected president was ousted

and you'll see what I was talking about.

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Fri Feb 28, 2014, 03:14 PM

7. This was BEFORE elected president was ousted, but everything they said happened down to Biden

"attaboy"

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Response to yurbud (Original post)

Sun Mar 2, 2014, 01:42 AM

8. It seems to me that they were reacting to events that were already taking place

and possibly looking for ways to help influence the outcome. This seems like standard politics that has played out since governments have been around. Based on this, I'm still not convinced that this points to the US orchestrating everything.

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