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xchrom

(108,903 posts)
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 06:59 PM Jan 2012

Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of This Sledding Crow

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2012/01/science-can-neither-explain-nor-deny-the-awesomeness-of-this-sledding-crow/251395/



Before we talk, you need to watch the video above. It's just one minute and 24 seconds. You'll observe a crow (probably a 'hooded crow') pick up the lid to a jar, set it down on the apex of a snow-mottled roof and slide down one side, carefully keeping its feet on the lid until it gets to the bottom. Then it picks up the lid, flies back to the apex, tests out another face of the roof, finds it lacking, returns to the original position, and slides down again.

It is a remarkable demonstration of the intelligence of the crow, which sits on a smart branch in the animal tree within the family Corvidae. There is something so deliberate about this play: the crow uses a toy; it searches for the best sledding path; it repeats the adventure down the roof; it keeps upright with its feet planted on the lid when, as a bird, it could simply fly. The bird does not want to travel down the roof, it wants to slide down the roof.

I wanted to know if there was a greater significance to this video and this amazing bird. So, I called up Alan Kamil, who has been studying corvids for decades and is co-director of the Center for Avian Intelligence at the University of Nebraska. I've got to send you this YouTube clip of this crow sledding down a roof in Russia, I told him.

Across the phone line, I heard Kamil gamely open his email and begin to watch the video. Like most people who watch the video, he chuckled and said, "Wow, this is cool," a proposition to which I assented.



*** GASP -- animals can have FUN -- and they can even invent ways to have fun. who'd a thunk?
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Science Can Neither Explain Nor Deny the Awesomeness of This Sledding Crow (Original Post) xchrom Jan 2012 OP
So awesome! Crows are sooo smart. n/t Turn CO Blue Jan 2012 #1
i'm not sure -- but either crows or otters invented fun cool. i think. nt xchrom Jan 2012 #2
"Wow, this is cool," <--------------------- wholeheartedly agree stockholmer Jan 2012 #3
I just saw that on the tv. Crows have really human like personalities. It is creepy. applegrove Jan 2012 #4
Do not, repeat DO NOT look up the New Caldonian crow research. Robb Jan 2012 #5
Saw that on Nat Geo or PBS or somewhere. Still Blue in PDX Jan 2012 #9
Our neighbor has walnut trees tularetom Jan 2012 #6
Attenborough did a doc about birds, the doc showed a crow standing with people at a snagglepuss Jan 2012 #10
Found this video wakemewhenitsover Jan 2012 #34
Some coastal birds also do this with shelled etables Marnie Jan 2012 #14
Whee!! PETRUS Jan 2012 #7
My mother, a firm believer in reincarnation, Warpy Jan 2012 #8
worth the few minutes to watch! handmade34 Jan 2012 #11
Prediction 90-percent Jan 2012 #12
Some 20 years ago the Smithsonian Magazine had an article about crows. Marnie Jan 2012 #13
+1, cool. Here's another interesting piece on crow intelligence: stevedeshazer Jan 2012 #15
very cool BrendaBrick Jan 2012 #23
We put food out for them summer and winter and one found something shraby Jan 2012 #16
haha, read the title and text as "cows" eShirl Jan 2012 #17
Me too! n/t progressoid Jan 2012 #33
Among twenty snowy mountains, the only thing moving, was a sledding crow. Poll_Blind Jan 2012 #18
My neighbor's dog loves to run and slide down the hill in the snow. FLyellowdog Jan 2012 #19
we have giant ravens up here and there is no smarter bird. they are freaking wiley roguevalley Jan 2012 #20
The best learning takes place through play and problem solving. AdHocSolver Jan 2012 #21
Good Point! nt dougolat Jan 2012 #22
+1 n/t wakemewhenitsover Jan 2012 #35
When our girls were little, we had small aquariums. phylny Jan 2012 #24
K&R! Love it! I guess birds just want to have fun! LOL Rhiannon12866 Jan 2012 #25
Surfin Bird-the Trashemen randr Jan 2012 #26
Way cool, thanks! n/t Martin Eden Jan 2012 #27
I have crows that come by my bird feeders. Hotler Jan 2012 #28
i used to feed my squirrels in cali -- the crows xchrom Jan 2012 #29
My Mr used to play with a squirrel who could count peanuts arikara Jan 2012 #30
My squirrels would do the same thing! xchrom Jan 2012 #32
Amazing.. DCBob Jan 2012 #31
And it must be fun for him to keep doing it over and over again, LOL. Rhiannon12866 Jan 2012 #36
Yes, the appearance that the bird is enjoying it is fascinating. DCBob Jan 2012 #37
 

stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
3. "Wow, this is cool," <--------------------- wholeheartedly agree
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:19 PM
Jan 2012

The Atlantic, btw, should be required reading for all US high school and university students, it is a superb magazine.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
5. Do not, repeat DO NOT look up the New Caldonian crow research.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:35 PM
Jan 2012

It will knock your socks off. They use meta-tools. Tools to get tools to get food.

Nature = awesome.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
6. Our neighbor has walnut trees
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 07:45 PM
Jan 2012

and the crows pick up nuts that fall on the ground and fly over our driveway where they drop them on the asphalt to crack them open. If it doesn't crack the first time they swoop down and pick it up and drop it until it opens up.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
10. Attenborough did a doc about birds, the doc showed a crow standing with people at a
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:16 PM
Jan 2012

an intersection waiting for the light to turn green. The crow then hopped over to streetcar tracks an placed a nut it was holding in its beak on the tracks, the crow then hopped back to the curb unperturbed by the people around him. He hopped back to the track once a street car ran over hte nut and cracked the shell!

Warpy

(111,222 posts)
8. My mother, a firm believer in reincarnation,
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:08 PM
Jan 2012

always wanted to return as a river otter because they had so few predators and always looked like they were having so much fun sliding down falls, climbing up, and sliding down again.

Six months after she died, a group of river otters was spotted in the northern part of this state, first time since the early 1950s.

How weird is that?

But I digress, lots of animals seem to do things just for the fun of it. If you've ever owned a cat or dog, you already know this stuff. The crow is only different because he chose his own sled.

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
11. worth the few minutes to watch!
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:16 PM
Jan 2012

reminds me... I so regret not having a video camera with me a few years ago... I was in Irving, TX at the California Crossing Park standing by the Trinity River. My partner and I watched as 3 turtles repeatedly climbed up a ledge (about 6 feet or so) and then one by one jumped into the river... then swam back to where they could easily climb the ledge and then all 3 one by one jumped into the river to swim back to the place where they could easily climb the ledge... my partner was with me and we still talk in amazement about it to this day animals are so incredibly awesome sometimes... or for want of a camera


at a spot much like this...

90-percent

(6,828 posts)
12. Prediction
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 08:29 PM
Jan 2012

This has beer commercial written all over it.

My late father used to tell me how smart crows are. Ever notice how they don't get off the road unless they have to. They're starting to deal with traffic like New York City people!

-90% Jimmy

 

Marnie

(844 posts)
13. Some 20 years ago the Smithsonian Magazine had an article about crows.
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 09:05 PM
Jan 2012

One of the things they mentioned was a problem that the crows were causing in Moscow becasue they were sliding down the gold leaf coated onion domed buildings on their bums and rubbing the gold leaf off.

Apparently the crows just found it fun.

shraby

(21,946 posts)
16. We put food out for them summer and winter and one found something
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 10:28 PM
Jan 2012

too dry or hard, brought it over to the rain trough on the side of our shed that the birds use for baths and drinking and it dropped the food into the trough until it had softened, picked it out and flew off with it.

eShirl

(18,487 posts)
17. haha, read the title and text as "cows"
Fri Jan 13, 2012, 11:37 PM
Jan 2012

was wondering how a cow could sled on a lid, then fly back up the hill...

FLyellowdog

(4,276 posts)
19. My neighbor's dog loves to run and slide down the hill in the snow.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 12:43 AM
Jan 2012

He slides, and rolls around, and goes back to the top of the hill to do it again. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it myself...no encouragement or human intervention or anything. So cool.

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
20. we have giant ravens up here and there is no smarter bird. they are freaking wiley
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 01:51 AM
Jan 2012

They will pull the wiper blades off your car, fly in groups and heckle bald eagles.

I saw one work and work on a closed bottle of pop he had found until I took it and gave him my bag of lettuce from my grocieres.

I've seen them flying when its windy riding up up up and then just falling like a rock until another breeze takes them up. They love to play together flying like maniacs. I love crows and ravens.

AdHocSolver

(2,561 posts)
21. The best learning takes place through play and problem solving.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 04:08 AM
Jan 2012

This is because the learner is engaged and motivated.

Schooling in the U.S. crushes this motivation and is the reason our young people wind up so poorly educated.

No Child Left Behind and Race To The Top only exacerbate the problem of poor education because they are contrary to this fact of nature that we can see in animals.

phylny

(8,375 posts)
24. When our girls were little, we had small aquariums.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 08:39 AM
Jan 2012

We had a fish named Rosie (because she was very tiny, maybe the size of a very small paper clip, and you could see her heart because she was almost translucent).

Rosie liked to "ride" the bubbler. She would swim over to the bubbles until she was whooshed up to the surface, swim down and do it again. She lived a long time, too.

Rhiannon12866

(205,021 posts)
25. K&R! Love it! I guess birds just want to have fun! LOL
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 09:15 AM
Jan 2012

Dogs and cats play, so why wouldn't birds? But I have to admit, this one is mighty clever!

Hotler

(11,409 posts)
28. I have crows that come by my bird feeders.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:26 AM
Jan 2012

I put peanuts in the shell out for them and they will swallow one or two long ways and then fuck around stacking three more in a pyramid and fly off.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
29. i used to feed my squirrels in cali -- the crows
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:37 AM
Jan 2012

would come and get all the peanuts -- there would be a regular throw down between the squirrels and the crows -- but the crows were bigger and they could fly.

and what is with the stacking thing? they'll stack anything it seems like.

arikara

(5,562 posts)
30. My Mr used to play with a squirrel who could count peanuts
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:39 AM
Jan 2012

Mr would lay out a line of say 10 or so peanuts on the balcony rail and the squirrel would come up and touch each one with his nose then pick up a couple and take off to hide them. While he was gone, Mr would take one peanut away and when he came back the squirrel would do the nose touching thing again and go strange looking for the missing peanut even though there were seven more still laying there. It was hilarious.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
32. My squirrels would do the same thing!
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:58 AM
Jan 2012

I don't know if they knew how many - but they knew where they were supposed to be!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
31. Amazing..
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:56 AM
Jan 2012

almost appears to have been trained but I think the bird just discovered it on its own.

Rhiannon12866

(205,021 posts)
36. And it must be fun for him to keep doing it over and over again, LOL.
Sat Jan 14, 2012, 11:13 PM
Jan 2012

Positive reinforcement? It really is amazing and you can't help but smile...

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