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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:42 AM Aug 2013

Robert Parry: A CIA Hand in an American “Coup”?

http://www.smirkingchimp.com/thread/robert-parry/51279/a-cia-hand-in-an-american-coup

A CIA Hand in an American “Coup”?

by Robert Parry | August 27, 2013 - 6:31am

It has taken six decades for the CIA to formally acknowledge that it undertook a coup against Iran’s elected government in 1953, but the spy agency might never concede that some of its officers joined in a political strike against a sitting U.S. president in 1980, yet that is what the evidence now indicates.

As with the ouster of Iran’s Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh in 1953, the motive for sabotaging the reelection of President Jimmy Carter in 1980 appears to have flowed from fears about the direction of the Cold War, with American hardliners justifying their actions based on an assessment that Carter, like Mossadegh, was a dangerous idealist.

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The apparent 1980 plot to undermine Carter by sabotaging his negotiations with Iran over the fate of 52 American hostages would have been pulled off by rogue CIA officers collaborating with the Republican presidential campaign of Ronald Reagan (and his running mate George H.W. Bush), without the knowledge of Carter and CIA Director Stansfield Turner.

It would have been the work of what legendary CIA officer Miles Copeland described to me as “the CIA within the CIA,” the inner-most circle of powerful intelligence figures who felt they understood the strategic needs of the United States better than its elected leaders. These national security insiders believed Carter’s starry-eyed faith in American democratic ideals represented a grave threat to the nation.

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Robert Parry: A CIA Hand in an American “Coup”? (Original Post) bananas Aug 2013 OP
Ridiculous. That would assume some sort of connection between Jackpine Radical Aug 2013 #1
I can remember watching the news back then (all 3 channels) while they showed thousands marching in Dustlawyer Aug 2013 #2
His reason for nationalizing oil The Wizard Aug 2013 #7
That must be where so many South American countries got the idea... Blanks Aug 2013 #24
The CIA ties to assassinations caused Congress in 1976 to authorized (280 to 65) the AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #3
Two who were on the Commission The Wizard Aug 2013 #9
Another member, of course, was Allen Welsh Dulles, former Director of the CIA AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #11
The Dulles brothers were, The Wizard Aug 2013 #17
Highly recommended: "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters," Peace Patriot Aug 2013 #10
Douglas uses some of the latest info obtainable through the FOIA in his book. pocoloco Aug 2013 #12
Surprise, the people working in the military-intelligence field have political agendas,. Civilization2 Aug 2013 #4
If JFK could not dismantle the CIA, what are the odds that we can ever do that? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2013 #5
Anything for the good of St. Reagan and the military industrial complex. mountain grammy Aug 2013 #6
"we" the People, the 99%, DIDN'T go wrong, our self-appointed 1% Elitists went wrong Demeter Aug 2013 #8
And Americans lapped it all up and voted for Reagan. I tried to get people to rememeber what good freshwest Aug 2013 #14
Exactly. Reagan got far more than 1% of the vote. Americans bought it. mountain grammy Aug 2013 #15
One of Reagan's first acts... Old and In the Way Aug 2013 #16
VIDEO here. Yes, I remember that speech. When there was sanity in media: freshwest Aug 2013 #18
K and R the thread mrdmk Aug 2013 #19
electric vehicles....40 years sooner. Old and In the Way Aug 2013 #20
This has been fairly common knowledge since the 80s blackspade Aug 2013 #13
Nah. It's not fascism Doctor_J Aug 2013 #21
This is no conspiracy "theory". Why doesn't this thread have hundreds of recommendations? Enthusiast Aug 2013 #22
How complicit was the media? Enthusiast Aug 2013 #23

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
1. Ridiculous. That would assume some sort of connection between
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:08 AM
Aug 2013

the Reaganites and the CIA. Like, if, maybe the VP candidate had been head of the CIA or something.
…Oh, wait…

The original October Surprise. There have been 2 books with that title, one by Gary Sick & one by Barbara Honegger. Been years since I read them.

Dustlawyer

(10,518 posts)
2. I can remember watching the news back then (all 3 channels) while they showed thousands marching in
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:20 AM
Aug 2013

in the streets of Tehran shouting "death to America!" We were told that they were just a bunch of "crazy people" and "religious fanatics!" They knew what we did to their "elected" Prime Minister. It never made sense to me until I took a government class on Iran at the University of Texas. My professor was the White House advisor on Iran as he had many former students there and made a trip posing as a German reporter. He advised Carter and his staff that the Revolution was imminent, but Zbignev Bresinski said the Shah was too powerful and they needed to reign him in. 2 weeks later Khomeni returned from exile and the revolution was on.
My professor knew in 1986 that the CIA overthrew the elected Iranian government and installed the Shah. It cost $200,000 to get the poor in Tehran to march to Mossadegh's home, drag him out, and he was arrested. A show trial was quickly had and he was hanged. His crime, he threatened to nationalize the oil fields that BP had developed if they were not paid world market rate for their oil. BP ran to the British government, who came to us. That is why they have hated us ever since.
This info has been known for a long time yet, the news networks lied to us then about what happened and now they act like this is newly discovered information.

The Wizard

(12,885 posts)
7. His reason for nationalizing oil
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:07 AM
Aug 2013

was BP was grossly underpaying Iranians to do the dirty work in the oil fields. It's all about cheap labor and a system of winks, nods and bribes to keep the working class in its place. There is an international cartel in place that's dedicated to bottom line profits of which a portion is dedicated to paying off legislators to continue the charade of freedom and democracy. In short, the Iranians were wronged by the United States and Britain in 1953. The 1979 revolution was a response to putting a ruthless dictator, the Shah, in place to keep the petro dollars flowing to the select 1%.
We've been placated with air conditioning, cheap food, and cheap flat screen TVs provided by Chinese slave labor.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
24. That must be where so many South American countries got the idea...
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 07:19 AM
Aug 2013

If that whole 'nationalization of natural resources' thing ever got a toe hold here there'd be blood in the streets.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
3. The CIA ties to assassinations caused Congress in 1976 to authorized (280 to 65) the
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:23 AM
Aug 2013

creation of the U.S. House of Representatives Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA).

In 1978, HSCA released its final report which found, among other things,

"2.Scientific acoustical evidence establishes a high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy."
...
"3.The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy.
...
"4. ... The investigation into the possibility of conspiracy in the assassination was inadequate.
...
"5. The Department of Justice failed to exercise initiative in supervising and directing the investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation of the assassination.
...
"c. The Federal Bureau of Investigation failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the President.
...
"8 b.The Warren Commission failed to investigate adequately the possibility of a conspiracy to assassinate the President. ...
...
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/select-committee-report/summary.html

The CIA has been in the business of overturning governments. We will never know the extent to which rogue agents from any agency of this country or foreign countries may have been involved in the JFK assignation. The Warren Commission sufficiently quashed a further investigation at the time. What we do know is that the physical evidence is inconsistent with the lone-gunman assertion, that our own governmental agencies did not look further, and that the MSM often denigrated those who asked at the time for a more through investigation as being conspiracy theorists. For more information about the CIA's connection with the MSM, Google Operation Mockingbird. They say that Operation Mockingbird has been discontinued.

The Wizard

(12,885 posts)
9. Two who were on the Commission
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:11 AM
Aug 2013

were rewarded with jobs for life, one becoming president, Gerald Ford, and Arlen Spector was a senator for the rest of his life. The Warren Commission was a coverup as was the 911 Commission. The same kind of chicanery brought down the Byzantine Empire.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
11. Another member, of course, was Allen Welsh Dulles, former Director of the CIA
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:24 AM
Aug 2013
"Supreme Court Justice Arthur Goldberg once stated that "The Dulles brothers were traitors." Some historians believe that Allen Dulles became head of the newly formed CIA in large part to cover up his treasonous behavior and that of his clients."
...
"... in October of 1942, Prescott Bush was charged with running Nazi front groups, and all shares of the Union Banking Corporation were seized by the U.S. Alien Property Custodian. The elaborate system of holding companies which Bush and Harriman had created in association with the bank started unraveling as well. Things were looking very bad for the old gang.

"But just then, Allen Dulles worked a miracle.

http://www.enter.net/~torve/trogholm/secret/rightroots/dulles.html

The Wizard

(12,885 posts)
17. The Dulles brothers were,
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 11:23 AM
Aug 2013

along with the Rostows, the primary architects of our Vietnam involvement. War profiteering used to be a crime.

Peace Patriot

(24,010 posts)
10. Highly recommended: "JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters,"
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:17 AM
Aug 2013

by James Douglass.

It wasn't "rogue agents." Douglass nails the CIA up to operations chief Richard Helms. Brilliant book. Best there is on this seminal event.

 

pocoloco

(3,180 posts)
12. Douglas uses some of the latest info obtainable through the FOIA in his book.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:45 AM
Aug 2013

Really , a "must" read.

There were questions from the very beginning. Oswald's picture on the cover of Life magazine, for instance....but you can't believe your lying eyes!

 

Civilization2

(649 posts)
4. Surprise, the people working in the military-intelligence field have political agendas,.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:24 AM
Aug 2013

Why would we assume that all these people in positions to spy on anyone they wish, and with the resources and skills to manipulate governments, elections, and political debate, would not interfere in the U S of A?

They are just people and have agendas, and are manipulated by money from the corporate 1% banksters like anyone else,. only these people are trained to manipulate politics and power,. and they have the tools to do it.

We need to limit and in my opinion get rid of any agencies of political manipulations, these are anti-democratic when we use them in other places and they are down right dangerous to have here in america.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
5. If JFK could not dismantle the CIA, what are the odds that we can ever do that?
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:37 AM
Aug 2013

JFK: "I want to splinter the CIA in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2920386

mountain grammy

(27,313 posts)
6. Anything for the good of St. Reagan and the military industrial complex.
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 08:39 AM
Aug 2013

How could we have gone so terribly wrong? Money, money, money, money...

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
8. "we" the People, the 99%, DIDN'T go wrong, our self-appointed 1% Elitists went wrong
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:09 AM
Aug 2013

They need some FRSP (French Revolution Severance Packages)

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
14. And Americans lapped it all up and voted for Reagan. I tried to get people to rememeber what good
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 10:07 AM
Aug 2013
things Carter was doing for America, but it was lost in the media wave.

We couldn't win against the slick commericals with 'It's morning in America' emotional appeal. He played his nauseatingly sweet role as the kindly granddad with his equally cloying version of Christianity.

Reagan's 'Americans want cheap gas' meme set into motion further, not less, dependence on Middle Eastern oil. I watched it devastate domestic production. It made the Saudis so rich their rulers bought gold crappers.

We have been played by these energy companies for a long time. Carter then, and now Obama have been under relentless attack by the same oil oligarches. Just for trying to free the USA from tyrant oil and to move beyond the 1980's suffocating RWR.

This revelation may not do anything, though. If we had a free media, this would end the GOP. But they bought it all up.

Old and In the Way

(37,540 posts)
16. One of Reagan's first acts...
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 10:39 AM
Aug 2013

dismantle those solar water heaters on top of the WH and demote the US Dept of Energy from the cabinet.

This should be required reading for all Americans...we've spent trillions in US taxpayer dollars funding the "muscle" for Big Oil's ME distribution plan (wars and US Navy), when we could have used that to build a decentralized, renewable energy system that would have created full employment for decades. oh well...the road not taken.


Primary Resources: Proposed Energy Policy
Other Primary Resources

Jimmy Carter delivered this televised speech on April 18, 1977.



Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly.

It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century.

We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren.

We simply must balance our demand for energy with our rapidly shrinking resources. By acting now, we can control our future instead of letting the future control us.

Two days from now, I will present my energy proposals to the Congress. Its members will be my partners and they have already given me a great deal of valuable advice. Many of these proposals will be unpopular. Some will cause you to put up with inconveniences and to make sacrifices.

The most important thing about these proposals is that the alternative may be a national catastrophe. Further delay can affect our strength and our power as a nation.

Our decision about energy will test the character of the American people and the ability of the President and the Congress to govern. This difficult effort will be the "moral equivalent of war" -- except that we will be uniting our efforts to build and not destroy.

I know that some of you may doubt that we face real energy shortages. The 1973 gasoline lines are gone, and our homes are warm again. But our energy problem is worse tonight than it was in 1973 or a few weeks ago in the dead of winter. It is worse because more waste has occurred, and more time has passed by without our planning for the future. And it will get worse every day until we act.

The oil and natural gas we rely on for 75 percent of our energy are running out. In spite of increased effort, domestic production has been dropping steadily at about six percent a year. Imports have doubled in the last five years. Our nation's independence of economic and political action is becoming increasingly constrained. Unless profound changes are made to lower oil consumption, we now believe that early in the 1980s the world will be demanding more oil that it can produce.

The world now uses about 60 million barrels of oil a day and demand increases each year about five percent. This means that just to stay even we need the production of a new Texas every year, an Alaskan North Slope every nine months, or a new Saudi Arabia every three years. Obviously, this cannot continue.

We must look back in history to understand our energy problem. Twice in the last several hundred years there has been a transition in the way people use energy.

The first was about 200 years ago, away from wood -- which had provided about 90 percent of all fuel -- to coal, which was more efficient. This change became the basis of the Industrial Revolution.

The second change took place in this century, with the growing use of oil and natural gas. They were more convenient and cheaper than coal, and the supply seemed to be almost without limit. They made possible the age of automobile and airplane travel. Nearly everyone who is alive today grew up during this age and we have never known anything different.

Because we are now running out of gas and oil, we must prepare quickly for a third change, to strict conservation and to the use of coal and permanent renewable energy sources, like solar power.

The world has not prepared for the future. During the 1950s, people used twice as much oil as during the 1940s. During the 1960s, we used twice as much as during the 1950s. And in each of those decades, more oil was consumed than in all of mankind's previous history.

World consumption of oil is still going up. If it were possible to keep it rising during the 1970s and 1980s by 5 percent a year as it has in the past, we could use up all the proven reserves of oil in the entire world by the end of the next decade.

I know that many of you have suspected that some supplies of oil and gas are being withheld. You may be right, but suspicions about oil companies cannot change the fact that we are running out of petroleum.

All of us have heard about the large oil fields on Alaska's North Slope. In a few years when the North Slope is producing fully, its total output will be just about equal to two years' increase in our nation's energy demand.

Each new inventory of world oil reserves has been more disturbing than the last. World oil production can probably keep going up for another six or eight years. But some time in the 1980s it can't go up much more. Demand will overtake production. We have no choice about that.

But we do have a choice about how we will spend the next few years. Each American uses the energy equivalent of 60 barrels of oil per person each year. Ours is the most wasteful nation on earth. We waste more energy than we import. With about the same standard of living, we use twice as much energy per person as do other countries like Germany, Japan, and Sweden.

One choice is to continue doing what we have been doing before. We can drift along for a few more years.

Our consumption of oil would keep going up every year. Our cars would continue to be too large and inefficient. Three-quarters of them would continue to carry only one person -- the driver -- while our public transportation system continues to decline. We can delay insulating our houses, and they will continue to lose about 50 percent of their heat in waste.

We can continue using scarce oil and natural [gas] to generate electricity, and continue wasting two-thirds of their fuel value in the process.

If we do not act, then by 1985 we will be using 33 percent more energy than we do today.

We can't substantially increase our domestic production, so we would need to import twice as much oil as we do now. Supplies will be uncertain. The cost will keep going up. Six years ago, we paid $3.7 billion for imported oil. Last year we spent $37 billion -- nearly ten times as much -- and this year we may spend over $45 billion.

Unless we act, we will spend more than $550 billion for imported oil by 1985 -- more than $2,500 a year for every man, woman, and child in America. Along with that money we will continue losing American jobs and becoming increasingly vulnerable to supply interruptions.

Now we have a choice. But if we wait, we will live in fear of embargoes. We could endanger our freedom as a sovereign nation to act in foreign affairs. Within ten years we would not be able to import enough oil -- from any country, at any acceptable price.

If we wait, and do not act, then our factories will not be able to keep our people on the job with reduced supplies of fuel. Too few of our utilities will have switched to coal, our most abundant energy source.

We will not be ready to keep our transportation system running with smaller, more efficient cars and a better network of buses, trains and public transportation.

We will feel mounting pressure to plunder the environment. We will have a crash program to build more nuclear plants, strip-mine and burn more coal, and drill more offshore wells than we will need if we begin to conserve now. Inflation will soar, production will go down, people will lose their jobs. Intense competition will build up among nations and among the different regions within our own country.

If we fail to act soon, we will face an economic, social and political crisis that will threaten our free institutions.

But we still have another choice. We can begin to prepare right now. We can decide to act while there is time.

That is the concept of the energy policy we will present on Wednesday. Our national energy plan is based on ten fundamental principles.

The first principle is that we can have an effective and comprehensive energy policy only if the government takes responsibility for it and if the people understand the seriousness of the challenge and are willing to make sacrifices.

The second principle is that healthy economic growth must continue. Only by saving energy can we maintain our standard of living and keep our people at work. An effective conservation program will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs.

The third principle is that we must protect the environment. Our energy problems have the same cause as our environmental problems -- wasteful use of resources. Conservation helps us solve both at once.

The fourth principle is that we must reduce our vulnerability to potentially devastating embargoes. We can protect ourselves from uncertain supplies by reducing our demand for oil, making the most of our abundant resources such as coal, and developing a strategic petroleum reserve.

The fifth principle is that we must be fair. Our solutions must ask equal sacrifices from every region, every class of people, every interest group. Industry will have to do its part to conserve, just as the consumers will. The energy producers deserve fair treatment, but we will not let the oil companies profiteer.

The sixth principle, and the cornerstone of our policy, is to reduce the demand through conservation. Our emphasis on conservation is a clear difference between this plan and others which merely encouraged crash production efforts. Conservation is the quickest, cheapest, most practical source of energy. Conservation is the only way we can buy a barrel of oil for a few dollars. It costs about $13 to waste it.

The seventh principle is that prices should generally reflect the true replacement costs of energy. We are only cheating ourselves if we make energy artificially cheap and use more than we can really afford.

The eighth principle is that government policies must be predictable and certain. Both consumers and producers need policies they can count on so they can plan ahead. This is one reason I am working with the Congress to create a new Department of Energy, to replace more than 50 different agencies that now have some control over energy.

The ninth principle is that we must conserve the fuels that are scarcest and make the most of those that are more plentiful. We can't continue to use oil and gas for 75 percent of our consumption when they make up seven percent of our domestic reserves. We need to shift to plentiful coal while taking care to protect the environment, and to apply stricter safety standards to nuclear energy.

The tenth principle is that we must start now to develop the new, unconventional sources of energy we will rely on in the next century.

These ten principles have guided the development of the policy I would describe to you and the Congress on Wednesday.

Our energy plan will also include a number of specific goals, to measure our progress toward a stable energy system.

These are the goals we set for 1985:

-Reduce the annual growth rate in our energy demand to less than two percent.

-Reduce gasoline consumption by ten percent below its current level.

-Cut in half the portion of United States oil which is imported, from a potential level of 16 million barrels to six million barrels a day.

-Establish a strategic petroleum reserve of one billion barrels, more than six months' supply.

-Increase our coal production by about two thirds to more than 1 billion tons a year.

-Insulate 90 percent of American homes and all new buildings.

-Use solar energy in more than two and one-half million houses.

We will monitor our progress toward these goals year by year. Our plan will call for stricter conservation measures if we fall behind.

I cant tell you that these measures will be easy, nor will they be popular. But I think most of you realize that a policy which does not ask for changes or sacrifices would not be an effective policy.

This plan is essential to protect our jobs, our environment, our standard of living, and our future.

Whether this plan truly makes a difference will be decided not here in Washington, but in every town and every factory, in every home and on every highway and every farm.

I believe this can be a positive challenge. There is something especially American in the kinds of changes we have to make. We have been proud, through our history of being efficient people.

We have been proud of our leadership in the world. Now we have a chance again to give the world a positive example.

And we have been proud of our vision of the future. We have always wanted to give our children and grandchildren a world richer in possibilities than we've had. They are the ones we must provide for now. They are the ones who will suffer most if we don't act.

I've given you some of the principles of the plan.

I am sure each of you will find something you don't like about the specifics of our proposal. It will demand that we make sacrifices and changes in our lives. To some degree, the sacrifices will be painful -- but so is any meaningful sacrifice. It will lead to some higher costs, and to some greater inconveniences for everyone.

But the sacrifices will be gradual, realistic and necessary. Above all, they will be fair. No one will gain an unfair advantage through this plan. No one will be asked to bear an unfair burden. We will monitor the accuracy of data from the oil and natural gas companies, so that we will know their true production, supplies, reserves, and profits.

The citizens who insist on driving large, unnecessarily powerful cars must expect to pay more for that luxury.

We can be sure that all the special interest groups in the country will attack the part of this plan that affects them directly. They will say that sacrifice is fine, as long as other people do it, but that their sacrifice is unreasonable, or unfair, or harmful to the country. If they succeed, then the burden on the ordinary citizen, who is not organized into an interest group, would be crushing.

There should be only one test for this program: whether it will help our country.

Other generation of Americans have faced and mastered great challenges. I have faith that meeting this challenge will make our own lives even richer. If you will join me so that we can work together with patriotism and courage, we will again prove that our great nation can lead the world into an age of peace, independence and freedom.


Jimmy Carter, "The President's Proposed Energy Policy." 18 April 1977. Vital Speeches of the Day, Vol. XXXXIII, No. 14, May 1, 1977, pp. 418-420.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
18. VIDEO here. Yes, I remember that speech. When there was sanity in media:
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 12:20 PM
Aug 2013


That was the era when a Democratic president could get air time on network television, often pre-empting programs with entertainment.

Carter did not have to put up with being talked over or words edited out as Obama has. We've lost that ability to get our message out and people just don't realize it, for the most part. The pulpit is being used, but it's not televised. What a waste.

In the seventies, I was working in subdivisions that pre-installed passive heaters for hot water as energy measures were made standard. It was the logical thing to do.

Reagan and his pals took this country backwards, but many people never saw anything better. So they are skeptical things can be different, their world view was shaped by conservative power.

Obama has done all he could with this despite the cynicism. We don't have to continue living under Reagan's stupidity. It's time to stop being led by the nose by the RW pundit media.

Thanks for providing that transcript. It is the reason why Carter 'had' to be shoved out of office by the oil cabal. I expect nothing but trouble from this group for anyone who does not embrace their interests, always.

mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
19. K and R the thread
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:54 PM
Aug 2013

K and R the reply (oops, can not do that!)

Jimmy Carter may have some faults, but he was 100% on this one. Could you imagine if our oil consumption was down 50% from the amount of oil we used in 1980. Shit

The oil companies would have to go fuck themselves...

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
13. This has been fairly common knowledge since the 80s
Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:53 AM
Aug 2013

Not that it shouldn't be talked about today; it should along with the ongoing corporate coup.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
22. This is no conspiracy "theory". Why doesn't this thread have hundreds of recommendations?
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 04:50 AM
Aug 2013

These actions by rogue elements within the CIA are why we find our nation in the FUBAR condition we see today.

The crime of Iran-Contra should be front and center and exhibition A in the media today. This is how our nation was destroyed from within. This is the sort of lack of accountability and lack of oversight that leads to things like drug smuggling by the nation's intelligence services and worse, far worse.

Enthusiast

(50,983 posts)
23. How complicit was the media?
Wed Aug 28, 2013, 05:00 AM
Aug 2013

How utterly without scruples was the media in character assassination directed at President Carter?

The media characterized President Carter as weak and indecisive in the face of the Iranian crisis. Later, when Reagan was president, he cut and run after the marine barracks was destroyed in Lebanon. There was nary a peep from the media. Saint Ronnie wasn't weak and indecisive, at least the media didn't seem to think so.

So, without question, we can see that the supposedly independent media was under strict control of partisan right wing elements of the CIA clear back in the 1970s.

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