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Doc Sportello

(7,707 posts)
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:30 AM Jan 2023

Robert Reich: Democrats should unite with moderate Republicans to elect a Speaker

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Does this mean the rest of us have to sit back and allow a tiny minority of extreme rightwing Maga House Republicans controlled by Donald Trump to hijack congressional Republicans, who in turn will hijack the entire House, and thereby hijack much of Congress?

No. There’s an alternative, and House Democrats and the few remaining “moderate” Republicans should take it: come together to make someone like Michigan’s moderate Republican Fred Upton or Ohio’s David Joyce the speaker of the House.

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Given that the likeliest alternative will be a Speaker Kevin McCarthy beholden to the extreme Magas, either Upton or Joyce should be elected speaker. What should Democrats ask for in return? A power-sharing agreement similar to the one agreed to in the last Senate, in which each party got the same number of seats on all committees.

The deal will enable the government to function and will simultaneously repudiate the Maga extremists. It’s a good deal for America.


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I agree with Robert Reich. Are repubs liars and terrible? Yes, but I think this move would be the best alternative to having MAGAts in control for the next two years and the best path to having at least a somehwat functioning government going forward.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jan/05/house-democrats-moderate-republicans-unite-speaker

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Robert Reich: Democrats should unite with moderate Republicans to elect a Speaker (Original Post) Doc Sportello Jan 2023 OP
Wouldn't the MAGA caucus block that candidate too? Ocelot II Jan 2023 #1
Not if all Democrats and a half-dozen repubs voted for them Doc Sportello Jan 2023 #11
You are assuming republicans want to work with democrats. Claustrum Jan 2023 #15
If your religion is your politics then compromise is heresy. Marcuse Jan 2023 #23
I will disagree with R. R. on this one. If the moderate Republicans Tetrachloride Jan 2023 #2
This! Bluethroughu Jan 2023 #5
Of course I would most like Jeffries. But if that is not possible and we don't Scrivener7 Jan 2023 #8
That isn't going to happen Doc Sportello Jan 2023 #9
Agreed rpannier Jan 2023 #24
They would need five votes, if all Democrats stick together lees1975 Jan 2023 #26
Good info Doc Sportello Jan 2023 #27
Isn't going to happen rpannier Jan 2023 #25
Dunno. Any compromise with the Repubs seems like it always turns out disasterously.... Jade Fox Jan 2023 #3
Are there any "moderate" republicans?....... Lovie777 Jan 2023 #4
Are there any moderate Republicans anymore, seems after the fourth vote Jefferies would have won. Bluethroughu Jan 2023 #6
Reich points out the current definition and how they worked with Democrats Doc Sportello Jan 2023 #10
If the moderate Republicans haven't broken ranks by now they probably won't. Srkdqltr Jan 2023 #7
He's got it backwards. Instead of asking 212 Dems to vote for a moderate republican... CincyDem Jan 2023 #12
I agree 100% CincyDem Diamond_Dog Jan 2023 #14
I don't believe in the existence of unicorns EYESORE 9001 Jan 2023 #13
This is assuming republicans want to work with democrats, Claustrum Jan 2023 #16
It may come to this, but it has to be initiated by the GOP members. Gore1FL Jan 2023 #17
No. LuvLoogie Jan 2023 #18
They'd have to get 6 Republicans to join all the Dems moose65 Jan 2023 #19
NO! Just NO!!! BlueMTexpat Jan 2023 #20
I think Reich's proposal is reasonable - as long as whoever is elected Speaker is willing to bring Martin68 Jan 2023 #21
Well said Doc Sportello Jan 2023 #22

Doc Sportello

(7,707 posts)
11. Not if all Democrats and a half-dozen repubs voted for them
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:45 AM
Jan 2023

Think there are enough votes for that. In his deal, Democrats get equal number of committee seats an the crazies lose the concessions McCarthy gave them.

Claustrum

(4,893 posts)
15. You are assuming republicans want to work with democrats.
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 12:09 PM
Jan 2023

It's a death nail in the republican base since TFG appeared (maybe much longer than that). They would rather negotiate with the crazy right wing rather than with democrats. Owning the libs is real.

Tetrachloride

(8,098 posts)
2. I will disagree with R. R. on this one. If the moderate Republicans
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:34 AM
Jan 2023

want Dem support, Hakeem Jeffries is the top leader.

Scrivener7

(51,398 posts)
8. Of course I would most like Jeffries. But if that is not possible and we don't
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:40 AM
Jan 2023

follow Reich's suggestion, we will have squandered a real opportunity to prove the MAGA world is dead and to get a marginally more sane House.

The situation on the ground, the conversations going on in the cloakroom, give our guys a sense of what is possible. They will be able to sense if they can get Jeffries in, but I suspect that is not a possibility.

If it is not and there is some way for us to prevent the monkeys from taking over the cabana (hey, Recursion!) by going with a more moderate Republican, one who is not one of the monkeys, then we should absolutely do so.

Doc Sportello

(7,707 posts)
9. That isn't going to happen
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:41 AM
Jan 2023

We have to deal with the reality of the situation. Jeffries would get no repub votes. Could Upton or Joyce get enough to win with Democratic support. I think so.

lees1975

(4,392 posts)
26. They would need five votes, if all Democrats stick together
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 01:12 PM
Jan 2023

What it will take is for five Republicans, moderates, who realize that this display of absolute ineptitude will make it harder to win their marginal district, especially in a Presidential election year with higher Democratic turnout. Two are mentioned here, there are two districts in New York where the margins were very close, three in California and a scattering elsewhere.

It's worth a try. And I believe it would strengthen the Democrats' position and add to what I think is going to be a pretty solid victory in 2024.

Doc Sportello

(7,707 posts)
27. Good info
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 03:08 PM
Jan 2023

Thanks. It's looking now like he may pull it off. I hope we aren't facing more insanity with McCarthy but think with all the concessions, that's what we should expect.

rpannier

(24,432 posts)
25. Isn't going to happen
Fri Jan 6, 2023, 07:32 AM
Jan 2023

And at some point business is going to have to get done or we have a shut down
Upton is likely the best possible answer

Jade Fox

(10,030 posts)
3. Dunno. Any compromise with the Repubs seems like it always turns out disasterously....
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:37 AM
Jan 2023

Give them an inch and they take forty million miles.

Lovie777

(13,398 posts)
4. Are there any "moderate" republicans?.......
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:37 AM
Jan 2023

even so, their marching orders from their masters tell it's a no go.

CincyDem

(6,618 posts)
12. He's got it backwards. Instead of asking 212 Dems to vote for a moderate republican...
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:45 AM
Jan 2023

...why not be asking 6 moderate republicans to vote for a "moderate" dem. I don't think HJ is a "leftie" (as the R's like to say) but he is an ideological lightening rod just by position. So get a moderate Dem - my choice is Matt Cartwright (D-PA)...representing a +11 Trump district...10 years in the House...known commodity to both D and R. He's got the street credit to draw the 6+ R votes.

Why should 212 Dems trust an R ?

Of course the odds of that happening are somewhere between slim and none (and Slim just left town).






EYESORE 9001

(26,450 posts)
13. I don't believe in the existence of unicorns
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 11:56 AM
Jan 2023

or moderate repuQs. Come to think of it, a unicorn could exist if geneticists were allowed to take a crack at it. Moderate repuQs? That DNA line is corrupted.

Claustrum

(4,893 posts)
16. This is assuming republicans want to work with democrats,
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 12:11 PM
Jan 2023

which hasn't happened for a very long time. They would rather negotiate with the right wing crazies than working with democrats.

Gore1FL

(21,325 posts)
17. It may come to this, but it has to be initiated by the GOP members.
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 12:14 PM
Jan 2023

They will need to make concessions to the Democrats for this to happen.

In the meantime, the longer they do this, the less time they will have to do real damage to the nation.

LuvLoogie

(7,235 posts)
18. No.
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 12:28 PM
Jan 2023

Let the GOP twist in the wind. The pressure should come from the people that voted for them. The way the GOP treats people that aren't them is vile. Fuck them

moose65

(3,200 posts)
19. They'd have to get 6 Republicans to join all the Dems
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 12:36 PM
Jan 2023

Here are the closest House races from November:

1. Colorado 3: Boebert +0.17 This was by far the closest race, but of course Boebert isn't going to vote for a Dem
2. California 13: John Duarte +0.42
3. Michigan 10: John James +0.49
4. New York 17: Mike Lawler +0.64 (defeated Maloney)
5. Iowa 3: Zach Nunn +0.69 (defeated Axne)
6. Arizona 1: Schwelkert +.088
7. New York 22: Brandon Williams +0.98

All of the above were decided by less than 1%. Then we have:

8. Arizona 6: Juan Ciscomani +1.5
9. New York 19: Marc Molinaro +1.6
10. Oregon 5: Lori Chavez-DeRemer +2
11. California 22: David Valadao +3
12. Nebraska 2: Don Bacon +3
13. Virginia 2: Jean Kiggins +3 (defeated Luria)
14. Montana 1: Ryan Zinke +3

I don't know much about any of the above. Are there 6 out of those other 13 who would cross over and vote with the Dems? I doubt it, really.

Martin68

(23,657 posts)
21. I think Reich's proposal is reasonable - as long as whoever is elected Speaker is willing to bring
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 04:15 PM
Jan 2023

Last edited Thu Jan 5, 2023, 06:34 PM - Edit history (1)

Democratic proposals to the floor for debate and a vote, and promises not to whip Republicans into line to obstruct all Democratic proposals. The question is, can we trust such a promise? It might be an opportunity to get the House working again as a legislative body that considers proposals on their merits rather than on a purely partisan basis, and votes for them accordingly.

Right. Sounds a bit naive, doesn't it? I just think anything that shut out the Freedom Caucus extremists and freed up moderate Republicans from operating on the basis of obstructing Democratic proposals would be good for the country.

Doc Sportello

(7,707 posts)
22. Well said
Thu Jan 5, 2023, 05:58 PM
Jan 2023

Especially your last point. While many are enjoying the shitshow, is it good for the country in the end, or can a deal be worked out that allows Congress to function on at least a basic level. That should be the focus.

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