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Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:43 PM

Democrats must prepare now for a contested 2024 election

Had former President Donald Trump and the Republican Party successfully stopped voter certifications in enough states that Joe Biden won - like in Pennsylvania, Arizona, and Georgia - Biden would have fallen short of 270 electoral votes. As a result, the 12th Amendment to the Constitution might have been invoked, requiring the U.S. House of Representatives to decide the winner, with each state delegation possessing one vote. Support from 26 states is needed to win. Due in part to successful gerrymandering efforts in purple states like North Carolina and Wisconsin, Republicans enjoy U.S. House majorities in 27 state delegations. As a result, a party-line House vote would have secured Trump's re-election.

It took Trump more than two months - only after the failed Jan. 6 domestic terrorist attack on the U.S. Capitol - to tepidly accept defeat.

The GOP has now established a precedent for their standard bearer to deny the legitimacy of an election even before the first votes are cast. Republican leaders have demonstrated it is okay to encourage supporters - and even election officials - to break the law. The notion that 2020 is an outlier is naďve. The past few months are likely a precursor to more sophisticated and better planned campaigns to deny opponents victories at the ballot box by generating sufficient doubts about the veracity of the electoral outcome.

Republicans' U.S. House delegation advantage is the key to their end game, meaning Democrats' top goal in 2022 should be not merely retaining House control, but also flipping at least two GOP-led delegations while stopping Republicans from adding majorities elsewhere. This would deny House Republicans the 26-delegation majority needed to break an Electoral College deadlock in the two months following the 2024 election.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:46 PM

1. They cannot win honestly anymore. So they have to cheat and lie.

That is all they have.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:51 PM

2. The best defense is hand counted paper ballots

Counted by hand, openly, transparently

With a tight chain of custody

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:52 PM

3. There's a lot of projection here...

Just govern well and everything will take care of itself.

It is unknown what the world will look like in 2 years much less 4.

Writers gotta write...

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Response to orwell (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:06 PM

5. You don't know what you're talking about- gerrymandering will flip 6 house seats red before voting

And GA has passed a law banning early voting on Sundays, when 10x more black people than white people vote- there goes Warnock’s seat and the majority.

The only way to stop republicans from rigging the system for minority rule for the next decade is to pass the voting rights bill, and that requires killing the filibuster.

With the filibuster intact, Dems won’t be able to “govern well” and deliver to voters.

Dems will have just one more reconciliation bill before 2022, and the Biden administration has signalled that bill will be the infrastructure bill.

That means that, as long as the filibuster remains intact, everything else is blocked. Immigration, court reform, health care, climate change, equality, childcare, college debt- all going nowhere.

The stakes couldn’t be higher.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:18 PM

6. "everything else is blocked"

Nonsense. Figure out what will pass 51/50 and get to work. We spend way too much time sitting around pissing and moaning that we can't get 100% of what we want. Biden's approval rating is 60% because he's getting shit done and people understand that.

Pass what we can pass and momentum can be maintained. Hold out for fantasies and there's no doubt we will lose.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #6)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:53 PM

8. You clearly don't know how the senate works- to get to a floor vote where 51 votes passes

You first have to pass a Motion to Proceed to a floor vote, which requires cloture, which requires 60 votes to pass. Failure to invoke cloture (aka the filibuster) means no floor vote and the bill is dead.

Except for the infrastructure bill that will be sent to reconciliation, every other piece of legislation requires 60 votes under the current senate rules.

So “pass what we can pass” means COVID relief and, hopefully, infrastructure...and that is it.

Regardless of any political momentum generated by these two bills, the lack of a voting rights bill blocking state republicans’ in-progress strategy rigging the system for minority rule, means Dems lose their majorities in 2022.

As I said, gerrymandering alone will flip 6 house seats (Dems margin is 5 seats) from blue to red before the voting starts, and new voter suppression laws in GA mean Warnock won’t be re-elected.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 10:20 PM

7. Thanks for your well-reasoned factual statement....



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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 09:55 PM

4. The only way to defend against an overturned election in 2024 is pass the voting rights act

And that requires killing the filibuster.

Otherwise, republicans will gerrymander themselves into a house majority, and new voter suppression laws in places like GA will give republicans control of the senate, and that means in January 2025 they can carry out the coup that was attempted in January 2021 by challenging and rejecting the electoral votes of enough states to give the election to their candidate.

Dems have 10 months to pass HR1/SB1; after that, new districts will already be gerrymandered.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 2, 2021, 11:50 PM

9. +1 Agreed.

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