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Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:15 AM

The Crown isn't making the royal family look bad. They do a fine job of that themselves


The Crown isn’t making the royal family look bad. They do a fine job of that themselves
Catherine Bennett

Whatever the guild of royal experts says, Peter Morgan’s series can’t match the truth of its unlovely subjects
Sun 29 Nov 2020 03.30 EST


(Guardian UK) Which, below, did the Prince of Wales not say?

a) “I am the Prince of Wales and I will be King!”

b) “I need encouragement and the occasional pat on the back too.”

c) “Darling, come back, of course I want to hug you.”

Any accredited royal writer would know instantly that the answer is b), a line from season 4 of Peter Morgan’s The Crown. The first quote was aimed by a tantruming Charles, along with a book, at Paul Burrell. “I can still see its fluttering pages whirring through the air,” Burrell wrote in A Royal Duty. Quote c) is from The Housekeeper’s Diary by Wendy Berry, a book banned in the UK. “In 1986,” she wrote, “Diana was still making an effort to be loving and affectionate to her husband.”

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Fellow Charlesite Penny Junor thinks the dramatisation is over-indebted to Diana. “How easy it is to be seduced,” she writes, “into thinking what we see on screen is what really happened and this is what members of the royal family really said to one another.” Though, equally, how easy it is, when such royal authorities assemble, to forget that some of the deadliest lines – Charles’s “whatever ‘in love’ means” – are verbatim.

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Since this is the second time in a month (following the Martin Bashir revelations) that royal commentators have felt compelled to move more or less en bloc against an outsider whose methods they deplore, the creation of some sort of organised guild or union is surely overdue. Royal specialists have for years taken sides, but this was always, you gathered, undertaken regretfully, professionally, out of virtually Baghottian reverence for the institution at risk. No passionate Diana or Charles advocate – or adversary – ever intended by their partiality to expose the entire royal family, as The Crown relentlessly does, as cruel, spoilt and silly, essentially a collection of pitiful victims. .............(more)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/29/the-crown-isnt-making-british-royal-family-look-bad-they-do-that-themselves




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Reply The Crown isn't making the royal family look bad. They do a fine job of that themselves (Original post)
marmar Nov 30 OP
AZ8theist Nov 30 #1
marmar Nov 30 #2
BannonsLiver Dec 1 #10
jimfields33 Nov 30 #3
Freddie Nov 30 #4
jimfields33 Nov 30 #5
CurtEastPoint Nov 30 #6
Freddie Nov 30 #8
CurtEastPoint Nov 30 #9
heckles65 Nov 30 #7
BannonsLiver Dec 1 #11

Response to marmar (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:21 AM

1. VERY disappointed in Season 4...

While Gillian Anderson was a good selection as a Margaret Thatcher look alike, her acting was atrocious.

There were plenty of other disappointments as well. Seasons 1-3 were much better.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #1)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:22 AM

2. Yeah she didn't pull that off at all.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #1)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 06:13 PM

10. Lol

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:23 AM

3. I like it. I'm in season 3 episode 4

I really liked Claire foy’s Queen. The third season recast everyone. Not really anybody to pity in any character. I just thank God for William and Kate who may just save the monarch afterall.

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Response to jimfields33 (Reply #3)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:31 AM

4. I read that the producers are considering a Season 7

Which would focus on William and Harry up to present day. Yay!!

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Response to Freddie (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 09:38 AM

5. That would be awesome!

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Response to Freddie (Reply #4)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:03 AM

6. So... skipping from 4 to 7?

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Response to CurtEastPoint (Reply #6)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:21 AM

8. No

Seasons 5 and 6 are already in the works and they might add 1 more.

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Response to Freddie (Reply #8)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:28 AM

9. They are? OOOH!

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 10:03 AM

7. I question that they are making the Queen and Prince Phillip look bad.

Having gone through the first two seasons and am halfway through the third, they seem like a pretty ordinary couple whose marriage has had its ups and downs. The queen is very devoted to her work even though she's emphatic she would have been happier being a horse breeder. If William and Kate do as well, the monarchy should have no problems.

The one person who was made to look thoroughly bad was Lord Mountbatten, discussing a military coup with the Bank of England inner circle, only to be talked down by the Queen in no uncertain terms. I did some reading afterward, the whole idea of a coup (whether assisted by Mountbatten or not) seems to be 25% supported 75% conjecture. Of course, all the alleged plotters are long dead, and Her Majesty isn't talking.

There was quite a bit of discussion on my gaming group about it. Some people thought history is far kinder toward Mountbatten than ought to be the case.

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Response to marmar (Original post)

Tue Dec 1, 2020, 06:31 PM

11. Predictably, low info American audiences think the show is 100 percent factual.

Love the show, but I also accept the fact it’s not a historical document.

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