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Fri Nov 27, 2020, 06:48 PM

"This is from the Supreme Court over 100 years ago: "

“The Constitution does not import an absolute right in each person to be, at all times and in all circumstances, wholly freed from restraint. A community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic, and its members may at times, under the pressure of great dangers, be subjected to such restraint, to be enforced by reasonable regulations, as the safety of the general public may demand.” Jacobson vs Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11, 7-2 majority

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Reply "This is from the Supreme Court over 100 years ago: " (Original post)
elleng Nov 27 OP
J_William_Ryan Nov 27 #1
handmade34 Nov 27 #2
tymorial Nov 27 #6
lonely bird Nov 27 #15
tymorial Nov 28 #18
wnylib Nov 28 #25
JohnQFunk Nov 28 #22
tymorial Nov 30 #27
underpants Nov 27 #3
Kablooie Nov 27 #4
mountain grammy Nov 27 #5
Ford_Prefect Nov 27 #7
area51 Nov 27 #8
dflprincess Nov 27 #9
elleng Nov 27 #10
dflprincess Nov 27 #12
elleng Nov 27 #14
Nitram Nov 27 #11
JoeOtterbein Nov 27 #13
IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 27 #16
murielm99 Nov 28 #17
wnylib Nov 28 #26
Blue Owl Nov 28 #19
niyad Nov 28 #20
PatrickforO Nov 28 #21
elleng Nov 28 #24
rhiannon55 Nov 28 #23

Response to elleng (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 06:52 PM

1. Clearly this Supreme Court

has nothing but contempt for precedent, facts, science, and sound, responsible governance.

Expect more rulings placing subjective religious doctrine and dogma over facts, the truth, and the wellbeing of the American people.

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 06:54 PM

2. clearly

we have devolved, in too many ways, as a country

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Response to J_William_Ryan (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 08:51 PM

6. This court yes and we can blame the Republicans for allowing Trump to replace Ginsburg

This very subject came up in May and the court denied relief. Roberts cited Jacobson vs Massachusetts in his concurring opinion. Gorsuch took the opportunity this time to lay into Roberts and state he was wrong in his decision and basically stated Jacobson was out of touch with modern times. Gorsuch's remarks were telling in my opinion and amounted to more than professional disagreement.

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Response to tymorial (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:54 PM

15. Gorsuch is an idiot

The decision is even more applicable now with increased population and transportation that can more easily spread a disease.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 09:14 AM

18. Definitely true.

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Response to lonely bird (Reply #15)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 05:51 PM

25. Was beer boy sober?

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Response to tymorial (Reply #6)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 04:31 PM

22. Really? Originalist Gorsuch is a hypocrite.

That is all.

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Response to JohnQFunk (Reply #22)

Mon Nov 30, 2020, 01:37 PM

27. Big time.

I can't stand all three of Trump's selections. .

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 08:09 PM

3. Very interesting SCOTUS stuff

Thanks

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 08:19 PM

4. This case was about forced vaccination.

Seems they didn't cotton to anti-vaccers back then.
They let common sense rule instead of inflamed, illogical passions.

How things have changed.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 08:37 PM

5. Hmmm.. not religious fanatics.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:16 PM

7. Never let it be said that The GOP can read or do basic math.

They appear to believe that neither the laws of Gravity or Momentum apply to them. They also have a rather exaggerated valuation of their own privilege over those of the community at large.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:20 PM

8. Sounds like Amy Covid Barrett has been legislating from the bench,

which the nazi party claims to hate to happen.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:41 PM

9. I've been throwing that case at any one whining about wearing masks violating their rights

The case has been used as precedent in other public health cases as well, not just those involving vaccinations.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:42 PM

10. Good

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Response to elleng (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:44 PM

12. I doubt if it does any good.

But I try.

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Response to dflprincess (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:49 PM

14. It SURELY does some good,

opens the ears of SOME to the constitutional facts.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:43 PM

11. A basic constitutional and democratic eprinciple. The safety and health of the people comes first.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 09:44 PM

13. K n R ! Thanks for posting elleng! nt

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Fri Nov 27, 2020, 10:54 PM

16. This reminds me of every Political Science professor I had, they all said...


... "The courts/government cannot interfere with beliefs, but they can interfere with practices if it breaks the law".

One example I recall off the top of my head was the Coptic church congregation in Florida that used marijuana in their religious services. Because of their belief... but marijuana is/was illegal at the time, so they were guilty of possession, place where illegal substances were partaken... So their, "right to religious freedom", stopped when they broke the state and federal laws with their practices.

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Response to IthinkThereforeIAM (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:42 AM

17. Snake handling churches come to mind.

Snake handling in religion is illegal in every state except West Virginia.

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #17)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 05:56 PM

26. It is also illegal for Jehovah's Witnesses to withhold

life-saving blood transfusions for a minor. The life of the child takes precedence over the parents' religious beliefs.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 01:51 PM

19. K&R

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 03:05 PM

20. Thank you.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 03:25 PM

21. My wife and I were watching a documentary about the 1918 flu epidemic.

These crazies who refuse to wear masks were alive and well a hundred years ago, too.

Seriously. They had the SAME crap we're all facing. Not as good medical technology, and a higher mortality rate. But the SAME crazies.

My favorite was some lady at a town hall in Miami who said that God breathed life into Adam, and to make her wear a mask to to DENY her God's breath! That is just bizarre.

And Trump - he hasn't helped a bit.

But, Ellen, this Supreme Court ruling from a century ago tells us all we need to know about the general stupidity of human beings, doesn't it?

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #21)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 05:45 PM

24. Sadly, it tells a lot about that.

My grandmother, whom I never met, died in the 1918 flu epidemic, in NYC, leaving my father (the youngest of 5 children) and grandpa, who I think did hold me. He may have passed during my 1st year.

A hero in my mind, tho I don't remember him, he cared for all of his kids, ran a deli, cooked and left recipes, did all the parenting things we and our children do now, like seeing to it that our grandchildren (1 - 7 years old) are vaccinated, wear masks, and stay away from crowds.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Sat Nov 28, 2020, 05:45 PM

23. I would love to share this quote on Facebook

So my my constitution-worshiping anti-mask family members (thankfully, there are only a few) can read it. I never stop trying to reach them and I know it's pointless, but still I try. I read in the responses that it was about anti-vaxxers, but I thought of anti-maskers when I read it. It's about both (and other) safety measures that some people see as an infringement on their freedom.

Would you mind, elleng?

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