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Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:09 PM

Axios: How Trump could pull off another upset

https://www.axios.com/trump-upset-biden-2020-election-da37cdd6-1b96-4377-9584-9df9f2554055.html

7 hours ago - Politics & Policy

How Trump could pull off another upset
Axios

Jim VandeHei, Jonathan Swan

It feels like August of 2016 all over again. Polls show Donald Trump losing big. Pundits proclaim he can't win. Reporters sneer at Trump voters on Twitter and cable.

Why it matters: There are several signs that should give the Trump-is-toast self-assured pause.

Heís doing better in some swing-state polls than he was at this point in 2016. And his floor of support holds strong, regardless of what he says or does.

Not only is the stock market on fire, but a lot of blue-collar workers in building, plumbing and other manual crafts are doing quite well, too.

Trumpís big bet is that there are a lot of working class voters, especially in rural areas, who did not vote in 2016 but will this time.

His other bet is that months of dumping on Joe Biden, often with lies or wild hyperbole, will do what he did to Hillary Clinton: Make the Democratic nominee seem slightly more unpalatable than himself.

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Reply Axios: How Trump could pull off another upset (Original post)
Anon-C Aug 2020 OP
snowybirdie Aug 2020 #1
Chainfire Aug 2020 #3
Alacritous Crier Aug 2020 #7
Dawson Leery Aug 2020 #2
Chainfire Aug 2020 #8
onetexan Aug 2020 #12
brush Aug 2020 #4
redstatebluegirl Aug 2020 #5
brush Aug 2020 #6
Chainfire Aug 2020 #9
BigmanPigman Aug 2020 #10
Anon-C Aug 2020 #11

Response to Anon-C (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:15 PM

1. Dear Washington Insider Reporters

Please stop the b.s. Rural folks have experienced covid deaths, loss of jobs and crop profitability and have lived with the rest of us through this nightmare. They aren't stupid. But you seem to think they are. I have faith in the American people, whether rural or urban or suburban.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:28 PM

3. My Rural area is bright red.

Covid deaths are not attributed to Trump, and the economy problem is a temporary thing, as witnessed by the markets.....

Democrats are really communists who hate freedom and want to destroy America.

They are firm in their perverted ideology and nothing will move them.

The election may end up being close enough to steal.

EDIT: I just got back from the grocery store and low and behold if there was not a woman shopping wearing a Biden tee shirt! I exchanged the secret handshake and showed her my voter registration card. She told me she was putting up a yard sign when she got home and we bet on how long it would take before it was vandalized. It was an uplifting moment.

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:14 PM

7. Accurate.

I also live in a red area and it's the same.

GOTV! Vote like your life depends on it because it does!

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Response to Anon-C (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:26 PM

2. The goal is to suppress the vote and get another EV "win".

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Response to Dawson Leery (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:31 PM

8. Even if Trump gets a win, but hook or crook

If the Democrats retain the house, and take the Senate, the price of poker is going to go way up for Trump. If he thinks that he has been "mistreated" in this term, he ain't seen anything like next time around.

It may be the first time in our history that articles of impeachment are filed on inauguration day. He may not know it, but he really doesn't want another "win."

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 08:21 PM

12. This is why some think winning back the Senate is more important than the presidency. If 45 is

re-impeached & convicted, we have Pence, whom the House needs to impeach by tying him to 45's crimes, then we have a President Pelosi. But i'm sure that will be long & drawn out.

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Response to Anon-C (Original post)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:33 PM

4. Where are people in the building trades doing well in this recession?

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Response to brush (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:37 PM

5. My cousin does home remodeling in Texas.

For the past 3 months he and his 2 employees have had more work than they can handle. People are stuck at home and wanting to fix their homes. He is doing a lot of bathroom and kitchen remodels.

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Response to redstatebluegirl (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 01:40 PM

6. I guess for those who can work from home and still get a paycheck...

that's the case.

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Response to brush (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 02:51 PM

9. I had my AC system replaced this past Spring

The company that did the work was suffering because people didn't want construction workers in their homes for fear of spreading the virus. I closed a deal on the work and it was done the next day......

I worked in residential and commercial construction at different times in my career. Home Construction and renovations are a world different than commercial work. I see a lot of commercial work happening around me, not so much new home construction.

When millions of people are displaced due to the coming foreclosures the residential market will probably be very flat for construction. A heck of a lot of people are going to have their credit ruined even if they maintain control of their homes. That means they will be staying put when the economy improves, not moving up, and fewer and fewer workers will be able to qualify finance new homes. Landlords and other investors will have a field day.

In my area, the great majority of construction, especially in commercial/industrial work, workers are not American citizens, they migrate back and forth across the border as the work load increases or decreases. Central and South Americans don't go on unemployment, they go home.

The last large construction job I worked on, during the middle cycle of construction, there were about 400 workers on site. I would estimate that of those, at least 300 were migrant workers; some legal, some not. Most native Americans were foreman or supervisors. Now how the Republicans factor the workforce into their claims would be very interesting to see. Maybe they will be lauding all of the illegal jobs they are creating.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 26, 2020, 04:58 PM

11. Yep.

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