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Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:58 PM

As Trump Threatens to Send Military Into Cities, Some GIs Refuse to Comply

By Candice Bernd, Truthout
June 3, 2020

Some National Guard and active-duty GIs are refusing to deploy to U.S. cities rising up against police-perpetrated killings, saying no to complicity in the repression of the American populace and that they have not been properly trained in riot response or de-escalation tactics on domestic soil.

Veterans and GI rights organizations told Truthout that dozens of GIs are reaching out to assess their options as President Trump orders military and federal police onto the streets of Washington, D.C., and threatens to use the 1807 Insurrection Act to send active-duty military into cities across the U.S. if governors cannot repress dissent in their states.

The National Guard has already mobilized 20,000 members in at least 29 states, and some governors, including Minnesotaís Tim Walz, have already declined Trumpís offer to send in military police. Trump has the authority, however, to deploy the military to states under the Insurrection Act, which would represent a dramatic escalation of Trumpís executive authority and likely spark pushback from state and local officials.

While the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 prohibits the domestic use of military for law enforcement purposes without specific congressional authorization, the Insurrection Act gives the president authorization to do so under certain circumstances, according to legal experts. The Insurrection Act has been invoked dozens of times in the countryís history, most recently during the 1992 uprising over the Los Angeles police officersí beating of Rodney King.

But itís not the legality of the presidentís and governorsí deployment orders that is weighing on Guardspersons and active-duty soldiers; itís the potential moral injury of brutalizing their own communities.

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Reply As Trump Threatens to Send Military Into Cities, Some GIs Refuse to Comply (Original post)
milestogo Jun 3 OP
qazplm135 Jun 3 #1
brewens Jun 3 #3
Chainfire Jun 4 #4
brewens Jun 4 #5
Chainfire Jun 4 #7
BGBD Jun 5 #8
Chainfire Jun 6 #9
Budi Jun 3 #2
dreamland Jun 4 #6

Response to milestogo (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 06:02 PM

1. having just retired as an Army JAG

if I were still on duty and they asked me for a legal opinion, it would start with, this whole thing is illegal, and then ended there.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 06:07 PM

3. Isn't it one of the first thing recruits learn is that thay can't follow an illegal order? n/t

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Response to brewens (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 09:42 AM

4. That is true

however, they are also taught that to refuse an illegal order, you damn well better be right in your decision. It is easier for soldiers to just leave the thinking to their officers and follow their orders; that is how they are trained and that is what the vast majority will do.

Do not think that the all volunteer army is a place where liberal ideals flourish either in enlisted or the officer ranks.

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 09:50 AM

5. It's like a disclaimer. Similar to teaching bartenders to not over serve customers when they get

bigger tips for doing exactly that.

Get the troops signed off on that part of the training, then drill them on blindly following any order.

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Response to brewens (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 07:51 PM

7. Plausible deniability

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Response to Chainfire (Reply #7)

Fri Jun 5, 2020, 09:26 AM

8. correct me if I'm wrong...

there's never been a conviction in the US military for following an order, legal or not.

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Response to BGBD (Reply #8)

Sat Jun 6, 2020, 08:13 AM

9. That is a good question

for which I don't have a good answer, however, William Calley argued that he was "just carrying out orders," but was convicted. I do not recall whether he offered credible evidence that he was ordered to massacre a village.

For those who are too young to remember, Calley was convicted of leading the massacre of a Vietnam village.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Wed Jun 3, 2020, 06:05 PM

2. He wants this so badly he can't stop !!

Wrong Trump!, governors did try to repress dissent in their states, they begged you to shut your mouth but you kept stoking the fires with your tweets & language.

They owe you nothing.

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Response to milestogo (Original post)

Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:34 PM

6. If the soldier was assigned to his hometown

There would be less violence. Which soldier would be the person known to fight his own?

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